(08-19-2015 09:55 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:37 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:21 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 06:34 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  Smh double digit arrests and not much to show for it. At least some of the sec has championships to show for their shady players. Those at the top of AAC In this list need to push for leadership to re evaluate their program culture.

Lmao, you can't help it of a kid goes and does dumb stuff. What are we gonna do? Have a nanny go around with them?

No, you can't nanny them around...but I think some schools do a much better job at back-ground info than others and/or do a much better job at consequences of any action that does come up...as most "Tigers" don't change their stripes...hence why there is a big difference between those with 15-30 plus arrests and those programs with less than 5.

We got 3 arrests added to our tally at once because 3 of our players were riding around shooting cans with air-soft guns..........

So subtract those 3 and see where the tally falls. Not favorably for ecu in this instance.

Which means we're down to 8. Then take away the walk-on that never played a down at ECU and we're at 7. 7 over 5 years is not that crazy when you have 85-100 young adult male athletes.

(08-19-2015 09:56 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:55 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:37 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:21 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Lmao, you can't help it of a kid goes and does dumb stuff. What are we gonna do? Have a nanny go around with them?

No, you can't nanny them around...but I think some schools do a much better job at back-ground info than others and/or do a much better job at consequences of any action that does come up...as most "Tigers" don't change their stripes...hence why there is a big difference between those with 15-30 plus arrests and those programs with less than 5.

We got 3 arrests added to our tally at once because 3 of our players were riding around shooting cans with air-soft guns..........

So subtract those 3 and see where the tally falls. Not favorably for ecu in this instance.

Which means we're down to 8. Then take away the walk-on that never played a down at ECU and we're at 7. 7 over 5 years is not that crazy when you have 85-100 young adult male athletes.

7 isn't crazy but still would be near top of our conference. Also you had 11 so not sure what your point is?

(08-19-2015 10:00 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:56 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:55 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:37 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No, you can't nanny them around...but I think some schools do a much better job at back-ground info than others and/or do a much better job at consequences of any action that does come up...as most "Tigers" don't change their stripes...hence why there is a big difference between those with 15-30 plus arrests and those programs with less than 5.

We got 3 arrests added to our tally at once because 3 of our players were riding around shooting cans with air-soft guns..........

So subtract those 3 and see where the tally falls. Not favorably for ecu in this instance.

Which means we're down to 8. Then take away the walk-on that never played a down at ECU and we're at 7. 7 over 5 years is not that crazy when you have 85-100 young adult male athletes.

7 isn't crazy but still would be near top of our conference. Also you had 11 so not sure what your point is?

Hes rationalizing the situation so it doesn't seem as bad.

One thing to keep in mind with respect to this list is that certain schools have the benefit of police departments that tend to look the other way when football players act up in town. The best example is in Tallahassee where police departments looked the other way for infractions of Jameis Winston and another player (his name escapes me). If rape is overlooked, how many cases of weed possession/distribution and underage drinking do you think were not pursued by the police at FSU.

(08-19-2015 10:07 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  One thing to keep in mind with respect to this list is that certain schools have the benefit of police departments that tend to look the other way when football players act up in town. The best example is in Tallahassee where police departments looked the other way for infractions of Jameis Winston and another player (his name escapes me). If rape is overlooked, how many cases of weed possession/distribution and underage drinking do you think were not pursued by the police at FSU.

Definitely true. I don't think any in our conference get that benefit however.

(08-19-2015 09:56 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:55 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:37 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:21 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Lmao, you can't help it of a kid goes and does dumb stuff. What are we gonna do? Have a nanny go around with them?

No, you can't nanny them around...but I think some schools do a much better job at back-ground info than others and/or do a much better job at consequences of any action that does come up...as most "Tigers" don't change their stripes...hence why there is a big difference between those with 15-30 plus arrests and those programs with less than 5.

We got 3 arrests added to our tally at once because 3 of our players were riding around shooting cans with air-soft guns..........

So subtract those 3 and see where the tally falls. Not favorably for ecu in this instance.

Which means we're down to 8. Then take away the walk-on that never played a down at ECU and we're at 7. 7 over 5 years is not that crazy when you have 85-100 young adult male athletes.

But you have 11...

(08-19-2015 10:14 AM)TforTempleU Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:56 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:55 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:37 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 09:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  No, you can't nanny them around...but I think some schools do a much better job at back-ground info than others and/or do a much better job at consequences of any action that does come up...as most "Tigers" don't change their stripes...hence why there is a big difference between those with 15-30 plus arrests and those programs with less than 5.

We got 3 arrests added to our tally at once because 3 of our players were riding around shooting cans with air-soft guns..........

So subtract those 3 and see where the tally falls. Not favorably for ecu in this instance.

Which means we're down to 8. Then take away the walk-on that never played a down at ECU and we're at 7. 7 over 5 years is not that crazy when you have 85-100 young adult male athletes.

But you have 11...

Please see above instructions where he told me to subtract and see where tally falls. This is not to be taken literally. Its an examination of 1) the seriousness of the charges and 2) the persons involved and their role in the program.

Not all school's thugs are created equal

(08-19-2015 10:14 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 10:07 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  One thing to keep in mind with respect to this list is that certain schools have the benefit of police departments that tend to look the other way when football players act up in town. The best example is in Tallahassee where police departments looked the other way for infractions of Jameis Winston and another player (his name escapes me). If rape is overlooked, how many cases of weed possession/distribution and underage drinking do you think were not pursued by the police at FSU.

Definitely true. I don't think any in our conference get that benefit however.

Exactly. The "real number" for the football royalty (ie. Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Notre Dame, etc.) is probably twice the number we see on this list.

(08-18-2015 10:27 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

In their heyday, Miami probably had the same ratio. They just have proportionately fewer wins to go with their reduced arrests now.

(08-19-2015 10:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 10:14 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 10:07 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  One thing to keep in mind with respect to this list is that certain schools have the benefit of police departments that tend to look the other way when football players act up in town. The best example is in Tallahassee where police departments looked the other way for infractions of Jameis Winston and another player (his name escapes me). If rape is overlooked, how many cases of weed possession/distribution and underage drinking do you think were not pursued by the police at FSU.

Definitely true. I don't think any in our conference get that benefit however.

Exactly. The "real number" for the football royalty (ie. Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Notre Dame, etc.) is probably twice the number we see on this list.

True...as many University, town and county Police/Sheriff Departments do seem to help cover-up a lot of incidents that never get reported (or players were arrested).

Even for those "favorable" LEO Departments, those that did get arrested, many cases are represented by huge local univ booster lawyers which have decades of relationships with friendly judges (many of them are alumni too) so there is basically zero punishment in a lot of cases, even those originally charged with felonies (many reduced to misdemeanors and served with lenient probation or charges dropped all together).

(08-19-2015 10:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 10:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 10:14 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 10:07 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  One thing to keep in mind with respect to this list is that certain schools have the benefit of police departments that tend to look the other way when football players act up in town. The best example is in Tallahassee where police departments looked the other way for infractions of Jameis Winston and another player (his name escapes me). If rape is overlooked, how many cases of weed possession/distribution and underage drinking do you think were not pursued by the police at FSU.

Definitely true. I don't think any in our conference get that benefit however.

Exactly. The "real number" for the football royalty (ie. Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Notre Dame, etc.) is probably twice the number we see on this list.

True...as many University, town and county Police/Sheriff Departments do seem to help cover-up a lot of incidents that never get reported (or players were arrested).

Even for those "favorable" LEO Departments, those that did get arrested, many cases are represented by huge local univ booster lawyers which have decades of relationships with friendly judges (many of them are alumni too) so there is basically zero punishment in a lot of cases, even those originally charged with felonies (many reduced to misdemeanors and served with lenient probation or charges dropped all together).

Sadly it works the other way for UC here in Cimcinnati. The prosecutor in town pursued assault charges against the backup quarterback who decked a kid for calling his girlfriend a "n*lover". The prosecutor refused to offer any deals/reduce charges and took the case to trial seeking the maximum penalty.

The player was found not guilty but he lost a year of eligibility. I doubt this case would have gone as far as it did if it happened in most places.