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SEC Expansion Opinion Article
TIME FOR THE PRESTIGIOUS SEC BRAND TO FILL IN A GEOGRAPHIC GAP
August 11, 2015, Posted in News, 3 comments
By Joe Vitale:

If the NCAA Power Five college conference landscape is in for another round of alignment, how can the Southeastern Conference be proactive while protecting and enhancing its geographic footprint? The Ottoman Empire of the NCAA, the Big 12 Conference, has been rumored to be imploding for several years which may create opportunities for other conferences. Big 12 Conference members are still not pleased with the Longhorn Network (and neither is ESPN) and their inability to secure a lucrative conference network package. Baylor President Ken Starr has threatened litigation if Oklahoma bolts for greener pastures and the Oklahoma legislature would most likely insist Oklahoma State tag along. The inclusion of both schools may be too large of a price to pay by the SEC or PAC-12 for the blue-blooded Sooners.

After the TCU/Baylor co-champion fiasco last football season, which allowed Ohio State to leapfrog into the College Football Playoff, Oklahoma President David Boren has insisted the Big 12 expand to twelve teams. But who is going to join? Houston, SMU and Colorado State are all regional candidates and BYU and Boise State would add nationally-renowned football programs to the mix. However, flying 2,200 miles from Morgantown, West Virginia to Boise, Idaho every couple of years for a $7 million, revenue-generating football game is one thing, but that 42-hour bus ride for the women’s softball team will definitely have the Title IX legal hounds in Washington paying a courtesy visit.

The Big 10 has made recent forays into major metropolitan areas by collecting mediocre athletic programs (Rutgers and Maryland) for one reason….the Big Ten Network and the nation’s numbers one, four and nine television markets (New York, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., respectively) that each program will theoretically bring along. Lincoln, Nebraska to New Brunswick, New Jersey is 1,300 miles and six lonely states away. The only thing Nebraska has in common with Rutgers is that each has a red color scheme and both are public universities in the United States.

The Atlantic Coast Conference stretches 1,500 miles from sub-tropical Miami, through Tobacco Road and to nearly the Canadian border and Lake Ontario. For the fun of it, the ACC diverts to the Midwest and South Bend, Indiana, but only for basketball season and non-revenue sports. The conference sold its soul for the Northeast television markets and the improbable dream of Notre Dame one day becoming a full member.

As these conferences chase the network dollars that are generated by football, they have lost sight as to why they have become so popular. It all comes down to rivalries and the intense brand-loyalty of the consumer, the college football-paying and watching public. Diluting the brand over three time zones and several non-contiguous states simply isn’t a successful formula. As a University of Georgia and SEC fan, I have a vested interest in what is happening with Vanderbilt or Florida or Auburn. I want to visit William-Brice Stadium, Bryant-Denny Stadium and Neyland Stadium. It is doubtful I will ever have such an interest in Kansas if the SEC looked to expand to the Plains. I, and millions of other fans, share that regional passion for our respective universities. That passion and familiarity has made the SEC the preeminent college conference in the country.

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Now for the potential16th member, the SEC needs to look towards the Atlantic, fill the glaring eastern gap and project its image northward. North Carolina is the ninth most populous state in the country, is a financial and biotechnology center, borders three current SEC states and between Charlotte and Raleigh, two of the fastest growing metropolitan areas, lays claim to the 24th and 27th largest television markets, respectively. Herein lies the opportunity for the SEC to retain its institution geographical proximity, strengthen the brand in its historical base and further enhance the brand and its member universities…“The Southern Living Magazine Business Model”. Many have long predicted that Oklahoma would be the next addition to the SEC and indeed, Oklahoma has the tradition, broad-based support, facilities, geographic desirability and in Oklahoma City and Tulsa, the nation’s 45th and 61st largest television markets. In addition, Oklahoma creates another natural rival with nearby SEC schools Texas A&M, Missouri, Arkansas and LSU. We will let politically-connected David Boren fight it out with the Oklahoma legislature and resolve the Oklahoma State issue, because even with all of T. Boone Pickens’ petroleum dollars, the Cowboys just don’t bring value to the conference. Bob Stoops will quickly learn why the SEC is so good.

In addition to being geographically contiguous to the SEC, the state is a major recruiting ground for Tennessee, South Carolina and Georgia, among others. The state is a hotbed for college athletics and culturally, North Carolina is a match for the athletics-crazed SEC.

Currently there are seven Football Bowl Series-playing universities in the state. Naturally, the University of North Carolina would be everyone’s favorite, but the SEC has a policy of not raiding competing conferences and it is doubtful that North Carolina, a founding ACC member, will be calling SEC offices and inquiring about initiation fees. Duke, Wake Forest and North Carolina State are much the same situation. Former Football Championship Series powerhouse Appalachian State is in its second year in the FBS and can not match the SEC’s facilities or regional reach. That leaves American Athletic member East Carolina University and Conference USA’s UNC-Charlotte.

With the intrinsic brand value the SEC has created, it has long been thought only the elites will be considered for admission. However, reaching into the heart of ACC territory and securing two leading television markets will take a visionary statement.

East Carolina, located in Greenville, a public institution founded in 1907, culturally fits the SEC mold. 22,000 undergraduates and 4,700 graduate students (including the Brody School of Medicine), an alumni base of 155,000, a $145 million endowment and a rabid fan base, all match favorably with SEC schools. The Pirates have been a bit of a step child to its ACC brethren but have competed admirably on the courts and athletic fields. 50,000-seat Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium is undergoing a $40 million renovation, which will expand capacity to 60,000. I can attest, the atmosphere of a Saturday night game at Dowdy-Ficklen is second to none in college football.

ECU's Dowdy Ficklen Stadium (Pic: Anthony Barham)
ECU’s Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium (Pic: Anthony Barham)

Baseball and basketball facilities are first rate, the eastern North Carolina campus is beautiful, the BBQ is incomparable, the community is highly supportive and any university that produces mega star Sandra Bullock and baseball superstar Mike Trout must be doing something right. Rivalries with Georgia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky and South Carolina could only enhance the SEC experience.

UNC-Charlotte is a unique situation and will require a bit of imagination. Founded in 1946, UNC-Charlotte has 22,200 undergrads and 5,000 graduate students. The school has 90,000 alums and supports an endowment of $152 million. The 49ers have bounced around several conferences over the years and enter their first year as a FBS school in 2015. The school began playing football only three years ago and would be at a huge disadvantage on the gridiron for several years. The new on-campus stadium has a current capacity of 15,000 but was designed to expand to 40,000. In addition, Bank of America stadium in downtown Charlotte seats 73,000 and is eight miles down the road.

9,105-seat Halton Arena was voted as the 22nd best basketball arena in the country by Stadium Journal Magazine and the soccer, track, baseball and other athletic facilities are all world-class. The fan base is growing and football has energized the student body.

The campus sits on 1,000 wooded acres adjacent to a major research park and one of the major financial centers in the world. UNC-Charlotte, although a large public institution, doesn’t fit the SEC mold but delivers the 24th largest television market in the country and a wealthy, influential and rapidly growing city. Only 90 miles from Columbia, 195 miles from Athens, 230 miles from Knoxville and 400 miles from Nashville and Lexington, UNC-Charlotte provides an interesting scenario for the SEC.

Culturally, East Carolina is more aligned with the conference and is ready to compete on the SEC gridirons, fields and courts. It would be a welcomed addition and provide first rate competition while opening a new market for the conference. UNC-Charlotte will be competitive in all sports immediately but football will take a few years. The 49ers are a step out of the box for the SEC but offers tremendous potential, proximity to several SEC schools and instant access to a top 25 television market.

Another round of college conference re-alignment is inevitable and the SEC should take the natural step of expanding to Oklahoma and the bold and visionary step into North Carolina.
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Hell no. SEC will take a hit perception wise by going to the AAC to get a team. We need a high profile team.
I'll take Oklahoma, but i don't want any part of Okie state. Put out a full court press to UNC and see if they bite by whispering sweet nothings in their ear. Their football may dramatically improve as well. If UNC rejects, move onto Virginia.
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NC State or VT are more of an SEC fan base type. However, I imagine any ACC team would be willing to listen to the SEC.
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(08-11-2015 07:51 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  TIME FOR THE PRESTIGIOUS SEC BRAND TO FILL IN A GEOGRAPHIC GAP
August 11, 2015, Posted in News, 3 comments
By Joe Vitale:

If the NCAA Power Five college conference landscape is in for another round of alignment, how can the Southeastern Conference be proactive while protecting and enhancing its geographic footprint? The Ottoman Empire of the NCAA, the Big 12 Conference, has been rumored to be imploding for several years which may create opportunities for other conferences. Big 12 Conference members are still not pleased with the Longhorn Network (and neither is ESPN) and their inability to secure a lucrative conference network package. Baylor President Ken Starr has threatened litigation if Oklahoma bolts for greener pastures and the Oklahoma legislature would most likely insist Oklahoma State tag along. The inclusion of both schools may be too large of a price to pay by the SEC or PAC-12 for the blue-blooded Sooners.

After the TCU/Baylor co-champion fiasco last football season, which allowed Ohio State to leapfrog into the College Football Playoff, Oklahoma President David Boren has insisted the Big 12 expand to twelve teams. But who is going to join? Houston, SMU and Colorado State are all regional candidates and BYU and Boise State would add nationally-renowned football programs to the mix. However, flying 2,200 miles from Morgantown, West Virginia to Boise, Idaho every couple of years for a $7 million, revenue-generating football game is one thing, but that 42-hour bus ride for the women’s softball team will definitely have the Title IX legal hounds in Washington paying a courtesy visit.

The Big 10 has made recent forays into major metropolitan areas by collecting mediocre athletic programs (Rutgers and Maryland) for one reason….the Big Ten Network and the nation’s numbers one, four and nine television markets (New York, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., respectively) that each program will theoretically bring along. Lincoln, Nebraska to New Brunswick, New Jersey is 1,300 miles and six lonely states away. The only thing Nebraska has in common with Rutgers is that each has a red color scheme and both are public universities in the United States.

The Atlantic Coast Conference stretches 1,500 miles from sub-tropical Miami, through Tobacco Road and to nearly the Canadian border and Lake Ontario. For the fun of it, the ACC diverts to the Midwest and South Bend, Indiana, but only for basketball season and non-revenue sports. The conference sold its soul for the Northeast television markets and the improbable dream of Notre Dame one day becoming a full member.

As these conferences chase the network dollars that are generated by football, they have lost sight as to why they have become so popular. It all comes down to rivalries and the intense brand-loyalty of the consumer, the college football-paying and watching public. Diluting the brand over three time zones and several non-contiguous states simply isn’t a successful formula. As a University of Georgia and SEC fan, I have a vested interest in what is happening with Vanderbilt or Florida or Auburn. I want to visit William-Brice Stadium, Bryant-Denny Stadium and Neyland Stadium. It is doubtful I will ever have such an interest in Kansas if the SEC looked to expand to the Plains. I, and millions of other fans, share that regional passion for our respective universities. That passion and familiarity has made the SEC the preeminent college conference in the country.

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Now for the potential16th member, the SEC needs to look towards the Atlantic, fill the glaring eastern gap and project its image northward. North Carolina is the ninth most populous state in the country, is a financial and biotechnology center, borders three current SEC states and between Charlotte and Raleigh, two of the fastest growing metropolitan areas, lays claim to the 24th and 27th largest television markets, respectively. Herein lies the opportunity for the SEC to retain its institution geographical proximity, strengthen the brand in its historical base and further enhance the brand and its member universities…“The Southern Living Magazine Business Model”. Many have long predicted that Oklahoma would be the next addition to the SEC and indeed, Oklahoma has the tradition, broad-based support, facilities, geographic desirability and in Oklahoma City and Tulsa, the nation’s 45th and 61st largest television markets. In addition, Oklahoma creates another natural rival with nearby SEC schools Texas A&M, Missouri, Arkansas and LSU. We will let politically-connected David Boren fight it out with the Oklahoma legislature and resolve the Oklahoma State issue, because even with all of T. Boone Pickens’ petroleum dollars, the Cowboys just don’t bring value to the conference. Bob Stoops will quickly learn why the SEC is so good.

In addition to being geographically contiguous to the SEC, the state is a major recruiting ground for Tennessee, South Carolina and Georgia, among others. The state is a hotbed for college athletics and culturally, North Carolina is a match for the athletics-crazed SEC.

Currently there are seven Football Bowl Series-playing universities in the state. Naturally, the University of North Carolina would be everyone’s favorite, but the SEC has a policy of not raiding competing conferences and it is doubtful that North Carolina, a founding ACC member, will be calling SEC offices and inquiring about initiation fees. Duke, Wake Forest and North Carolina State are much the same situation. Former Football Championship Series powerhouse Appalachian State is in its second year in the FBS and can not match the SEC’s facilities or regional reach. That leaves American Athletic member East Carolina University and Conference USA’s UNC-Charlotte.

With the intrinsic brand value the SEC has created, it has long been thought only the elites will be considered for admission. However, reaching into the heart of ACC territory and securing two leading television markets will take a visionary statement.

East Carolina, located in Greenville, a public institution founded in 1907, culturally fits the SEC mold. 22,000 undergraduates and 4,700 graduate students (including the Brody School of Medicine), an alumni base of 155,000, a $145 million endowment and a rabid fan base, all match favorably with SEC schools. The Pirates have been a bit of a step child to its ACC brethren but have competed admirably on the courts and athletic fields. 50,000-seat Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium is undergoing a $40 million renovation, which will expand capacity to 60,000. I can attest, the atmosphere of a Saturday night game at Dowdy-Ficklen is second to none in college football.

ECU's Dowdy Ficklen Stadium (Pic: Anthony Barham)
ECU’s Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium (Pic: Anthony Barham)

Baseball and basketball facilities are first rate, the eastern North Carolina campus is beautiful, the BBQ is incomparable, the community is highly supportive and any university that produces mega star Sandra Bullock and baseball superstar Mike Trout must be doing something right. Rivalries with Georgia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky and South Carolina could only enhance the SEC experience.

UNC-Charlotte is a unique situation and will require a bit of imagination. Founded in 1946, UNC-Charlotte has 22,200 undergrads and 5,000 graduate students. The school has 90,000 alums and supports an endowment of $152 million. The 49ers have bounced around several conferences over the years and enter their first year as a FBS school in 2015. The school began playing football only three years ago and would be at a huge disadvantage on the gridiron for several years. The new on-campus stadium has a current capacity of 15,000 but was designed to expand to 40,000. In addition, Bank of America stadium in downtown Charlotte seats 73,000 and is eight miles down the road.

9,105-seat Halton Arena was voted as the 22nd best basketball arena in the country by Stadium Journal Magazine and the soccer, track, baseball and other athletic facilities are all world-class. The fan base is growing and football has energized the student body.

The campus sits on 1,000 wooded acres adjacent to a major research park and one of the major financial centers in the world. UNC-Charlotte, although a large public institution, doesn’t fit the SEC mold but delivers the 24th largest television market in the country and a wealthy, influential and rapidly growing city. Only 90 miles from Columbia, 195 miles from Athens, 230 miles from Knoxville and 400 miles from Nashville and Lexington, UNC-Charlotte provides an interesting scenario for the SEC.

Culturally, East Carolina is more aligned with the conference and is ready to compete on the SEC gridirons, fields and courts. It would be a welcomed addition and provide first rate competition while opening a new market for the conference. UNC-Charlotte will be competitive in all sports immediately but football will take a few years. The 49ers are a step out of the box for the SEC but offers tremendous potential, proximity to several SEC schools and instant access to a top 25 television market.

Another round of college conference re-alignment is inevitable and the SEC should take the natural step of expanding to Oklahoma and the bold and visionary step into North Carolina.

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(08-11-2015 08:21 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  NC State or VT are more of an SEC fan base type. However, I imagine any ACC team would be willing to listen to the SEC.

I hope so. Would love to see the ACC lose a few to the SEC and B1G.
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New SEC Pods

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(08-11-2015 09:24 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  New SEC Pods

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We'll take Oklahoma and a second Texas school, or a North Carolina and Virginia school, or split the difference with Oklahoma and Virginia Tech, or Oklahoma and Florida State. But since ESPN won't pay us to take their bargain basement product in the ACC only to make them pay more for what they already have for less, I think it will just be Oklahoma and a second Texas school. But even if it is a pair of Oklahoma schools both are in the top 11 in profitable athletic departments.

I for one will take a pass on having to grow a product.
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(08-12-2015 12:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  We'll take Oklahoma and a second Texas school, or a North Carolina and Virginia school, or split the difference with Oklahoma and Virginia Tech, or Oklahoma and Florida State. But since ESPN won't pay us to take their bargain basement product in the ACC only to make them pay more for what they already have for less, I think it will just be Oklahoma and a second Texas school. But even if it is a pair of Oklahoma schools both are in the top 11 in profitable athletic departments.

I for one will take a pass on having to grow a product.


East Carolina have a much better football product than the other North Carolina schools and both Virginia schools. Taken them might get the schools in the ACC up in arms, and start pulling away from each other if they know East Carolina is making more money then they are.
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Many programs make more sense, but the ACC GOR roadblock, and Texas likely wanting to stay put or go solo reduces the # of candidates. Otherwise, I could see NCSU or Va Tech getting the nod, along with Oklahoma.

ECU is more ready today, but Charlotte makes more sense for the long haul. There are so many pros/reasons for the SEC to "establish a franchise" in the Queen City, not the least of which is driving a stake in the heart of ACC country (and make no mistake, Charlotte is of utmost importance to the ACC, even as its traditional powers rule in absentia). The 49ers have built the program the right way, allowing it to scale easily. The advantages include a major media market (all important carrier fees), top notch facilities ready for pre planned and already engineered expansion, strong support from Panthers owner Jerry Richardson (who gave $10 million to the program) and has a 70k pro stadium nearby, as well as an NBA arena, and all the big city draws and accommodations... Not to mention having ESPN/SEC network in town.

49ers in the SEC would be an absolute explosion of interest in the program (the SEC has a strong general following in the city but having a team here would vault the focus and popularity of the league ahead of the ACC, taking over the city), and a resounding, immediate success. But I will not convince anyone here of that. There's too much focus on the status quo.

It doesn't matter what Charlotte's limited football history or attendance against DIII teams in their startup season was. If they do end up in the SEC, they'd immediately sell out the full planned expansion of the stadium... There is simply too much interest in SEC football in the area, and the closest program is in Columbia. It would ignite the fan base and draw in both casual fans, and many of the SEC transplants calling the area home.

The funny part would be watching the reaction of ACC fans, who would collectively lose their minds while realizing that they just took a back seat to Charlotte for nearly every football recruit in the state. It'd be their worst nightmare come to pass... something they have quietly dreaded for years, though never discussed. It's about the balance of power between Raleigh and Charlotte for those who aren't local. It's a decades long political/economic issue and has been at the heart of attempts to curtail Charlotte's growth as a university and athletic program over the years, but as enrollment pushes past 30k to 35k within 10 years, the Triangle schools are losing control. BTW, the author is wrong, enrollment is already 27,530 as of last fall. Source

It's not going to happen now or tomorrow, but its worth consideration for a more intermediate time frame for anyone who knows the market, its potential, and isn't stuck in the past or a narrow vision of the status quo. It's interesting that a UGA blogger sees it though.

FWIW, I am a Volunteer fan/grad. This would hurt UT recruiting in the state, but that doesn't make it a bad idea for the SEC. Wresting this media market away from the ACC is just too tantalizing for the league.
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(08-11-2015 09:24 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  New SEC Pods

Karmic justice demands that the SEC be split into pods. Pod them all!
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East Carolina "producing" Mike Trout is likely news to him.
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(08-12-2015 07:54 AM)PGEMF Wrote:  East Carolina "producing" Mike Trout is likely news to him.

He was a commitment but was drafted right out of HS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Trout#Amateur_career
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Why would the SEC do this? I just don't get it. Expanding into North Carolina with UNC, Duke and/or NC State is one thing. Expanding into North Carolina with ECU or any other school that isn't already in the ACC is an entirely different matter.

I know that there is a disproportionate number of ECU fans on this board, so please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think that I've seen a greater gap between the fans' perception (and I'm talking about college football fans in general, not just ECU fans) of a school's value in conference realignment and the presidential/commissioner perception of that school's value in conference realignment than with ECU. Even fans of G5 programs that have had tons of national high profile success, such as Boise State and NIU, generally seem to have some self-awareness of their off-the-field limitations and why the general dynamics don't favor them getting into a power conference. ECU brings a solid football program and excellent attendance for a G5 school, which is all well and good and what fans tend to focus upon, but those have proven to be not that relevant in realignment for the *power* conferences. Once again, remember that *Tulane* received an all-sports invite to the then-Big East/now-AAC before ECU, who was only offered a football-only membership even AFTER Rutgers bolted (which also meant it was clear that either Louisville or UConn was going to the ACC at the time). It wasn't until the AAC needed warm bodies after the Catholic 7 split off that ECU finally received an all-sports invite. For whatever reason, whether it's academic reputation or not giving ECU credit for any TV market beyond their immediate small market, the presidents that make conference realignment decisions have looked at ECU so much more differently than the average college football fan that it's as if though the parties are speaking entirely different languages.

In order for ECU to take the next step (to the extent that the next step is even realistic in the first place), it's going to have to be a focus on off-the-field issues such as academics and media market impact. The on-the-field "success" is irrelevant unless we're talking about overwhelming Boise State-level success (and even then, we see that Boise State isn't getting into a power conference due to off-the-field consternation). The reality is that Tulane (much less schools like Cincinnati, UConn, Houston and BYU) has a better shot of getting into a power conference due to its academics and location than ECU right now based on the factors that power conference presidents have cared the most about. ECU hasn't been getting the benefit of the doubt AT ALL from power conference presidents, whether it's fair or not.
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(08-11-2015 08:03 PM)otown Wrote:  Hell no. SEC will take a hit perception wise by going to the AAC to get a team.

Were you in attendance the day that Memphis beat your Gators on your own field?
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(08-12-2015 12:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  We'll take Oklahoma and a second Texas school, or a North Carolina and Virginia school, or split the difference with Oklahoma and Virginia Tech, or Oklahoma and Florida State. But since ESPN won't pay us to take their bargain basement product in the ACC only to make them pay more for what they already have for less, I think it will just be Oklahoma and a second Texas school. But even if it is a pair of Oklahoma schools both are in the top 11 in profitable athletic departments.

I for one will take a pass on having to grow a product.

No one seriously believes that ECU and UNC-Charlotte are joining the SEC.
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Why not think bigger?

SEC DIVISIONS

WEST
Missouri
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Texas

SOUTH
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Alabama
Auburn

EAST
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

NORTH
Kentucky
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia
WVU (or VTech)

4 games intra-division, 4-5 games rotating through the other divisions, some with annual cross-over rival (Alabama-Tennessee, Auburn-Georgia,...)
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RE: SEC Expansion Opinion Article
Or even bigger?

SEC DIVISIONS

WEST
Missouri
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Texas
Nebraska

SOUTH
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Alabama
Auburn
Florida St.

EAST
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky

NORTH
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia
Penn St.
Notre Dame
Ohio st.
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