(08-12-2015 02:34 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 01:51 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 10:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 06:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 04:55 PM)fsquid Wrote:  what did you expect, its a lame duck year. 2 years from now with the right hire, we are back baby.

Paz coaches this year and then gets canned.

New guy comes in and we stink in year 1, are NIT in year 2, NCAA in year 3 and then explode onto the scene as a playa in year 4.

The above is the best case scenario and that's FIVE years out counting this season.


Worst case is Paz's buyout keeps him around for next year which would possibly add a year to the rebuilding job so it could be EIGHT years counting this season before we're 'back'

If Pastner is such a **** coach and anyone could do better; why would it take the new coach 3 years to make the NCAA? Funny and sad.

It took Cal years to overcome the mess left to him and now he's the best in the business. Josh has had 6 years with continual regression. The program is a dumpster fire and will take time to rebrand it

This is what happens when you combine breathing at high altitude with a pure hatred of Pastner. By continual regression, do you mean pure improvement his first 4 years, a flat 5th season, and a bad season last year? Is that how someone like you defines continual regression?

Also, according to the other sheep, the program is in much better shape now than it ever has been with respect to facilities and donations. If this is true, whoever replaces Pastner should do much better than him out of the gate. Last but not least, have a look at what each coach would start with and how many years of eligibility they would have left.

Pastner
1 - Mack
1 - Kemp
2 - Sallie
2 - Niles
2 - Coleman

Replacement
2 - Markel
2 - Woodson
3 - Lawson
3 - Lawson
3 - Martin
3 - Broddie
3 - Marshall

Did I mention anywhere that when Pastner leaves, the program won't be under any sanctions, nor will it be threatened with future sanctions? Pastner will leave the program in much better shape than Cal did.

I agree that more talent would be left on the roster which is a plus.

But there is less history to sell...Memphis' name was hot as fire when Cal left and you had D. Rose and Evans both going high in the lottery to sell to recruit. That is a big deal

I would say that it the next guy would have an advantage over when Cal left but not by much.

It's obviously difficult for you to process intelligent thoughts. The name was hot when Cal left. The name doesn't dven tread water now. Top recruits were fighting to play here for Cal. Top recruits don't even return phone calls now. It takes time to rebrand the program. The fact that he leaves behind a bunch of hot garbage on the roster with eligibility is irrelevant.

(08-12-2015 09:11 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  It's obviously difficult for you to process intelligent thoughts. The name was hot when Cal left. The name doesn't dven tread water now. Top recruits were fighting to play here for Cal. Top recruits don't even return phone calls now. It takes time to rebrand the program. The fact that he leaves behind a bunch of hot garbage on the roster with eligibility is irrelevant.

When Cal left, the name Cal was hot - not Memphis. How many top recruits still came to Memphis when Cal decided to leave? And, if your point is based on the OP, then why call a roster with a good number of high level recruits "hot garbage"?

Bottom line is pastner is done after the season is over. The experiment is over.

(08-12-2015 09:11 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  It's obviously difficult for you to process intelligent thoughts. The name was hot when Cal left. The name doesn't dven tread water now. Top recruits were fighting to play here for Cal. Top recruits don't even return phone calls now. It takes time to rebrand the program. The fact that he leaves behind a bunch of hot garbage on the roster with eligibility is irrelevant.

Top recruits weren't fighting to play for Kentucky before Cal got there. Their class the year before Cal got there was Darius Miller, Deandre Liggins and Josh Harrellson. Looks like the altitude is causing dizziness.

Posters calling players hot garbage = ok
Posters calling posters, idiots = not ok

(08-12-2015 09:11 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  It's obviously difficult for you to process intelligent thoughts. The name was hot when Cal left. The name doesn't dven tread water now. Top recruits were fighting to play here for Cal. Top recruits don't even return phone calls now. It takes time to rebrand the program. The fact that he leaves behind a bunch of hot garbage on the roster with eligibility is irrelevant.

What kind of "fan" calls our players hot garbage? Pretty sure that Markel Crawford, Nick Marshall and the Lawson brothers may take offense to that. IF they are all back for 2016-17 and we get Fisher at PG, to me, that is a pretty good start. It's the depth I'm worried about.

He's NOT a fan. He probably doesn't know what the word means. OR he's terribly confused.
He comes here to tear down the program.
He should be banned immediately. Just like his original name was.

(08-12-2015 09:49 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:11 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  It's obviously difficult for you to process intelligent thoughts. The name was hot when Cal left. The name doesn't dven tread water now. Top recruits were fighting to play here for Cal. Top recruits don't even return phone calls now. It takes time to rebrand the program. The fact that he leaves behind a bunch of hot garbage on the roster with eligibility is irrelevant.

When Cal left, the name Cal was hot - not Memphis. How many top recruits still came to Memphis when Cal decided to leave? And, if your point is based on the OP, then why call a roster with a good number of high level recruits "hot garbage"?

Are you serious?? In addition to signing top 25 local talent like Joe Jackson and Adonis Thomas, and top 50 like Black and Crawford, Pastner was also able to land 3 top 15 recruits OUTSIDE OF MEMPHIS within a year of taking the job (Latavious Williams, Will Barton, Kendrick).

You don't think that that has changed? Do you think if Adonis Thomas was coming thru the high school ranks right now that he would sign with this dumpster fire? Do you think Pastner has it in him today to sign a top 10 recruit from Baltimore or Texas? No, no and no

(08-13-2015 02:14 PM)alcalde Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:49 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:11 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  It's obviously difficult for you to process intelligent thoughts. The name was hot when Cal left. The name doesn't dven tread water now. Top recruits were fighting to play here for Cal. Top recruits don't even return phone calls now. It takes time to rebrand the program. The fact that he leaves behind a bunch of hot garbage on the roster with eligibility is irrelevant.

When Cal left, the name Cal was hot - not Memphis. How many top recruits still came to Memphis when Cal decided to leave? And, if your point is based on the OP, then why call a roster with a good number of high level recruits "hot garbage"?

Are you serious?? In addition to signing top 25 local talent like Joe Jackson and Adonis Thomas, and top 50 like Black and Crawford, Pastner was also able to land 3 top 15 recruits OUTSIDE OF MEMPHIS within a year of taking the job (Latavious Williams, Will Barton, Kendrick).

You don't think that that has changed? Do you think if Adonis Thomas was coming thru the high school ranks right now that he would sign with this dumpster fire? Do you think Pastner has it in him today to sign a top 10 recruit from Baltimore or Texas? No, no and no

That may be true, in fact, probably is. However, the BEST way out of this mess if for us to be fans, cheer on the team to overachieve this year, and hope that Coach P parlays that into a coaching position somewhere else. We NEED to win this year to stem the tide.

(08-13-2015 02:14 PM)alcalde Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:49 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 09:11 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  It's obviously difficult for you to process intelligent thoughts. The name was hot when Cal left. The name doesn't dven tread water now. Top recruits were fighting to play here for Cal. Top recruits don't even return phone calls now. It takes time to rebrand the program. The fact that he leaves behind a bunch of hot garbage on the roster with eligibility is irrelevant.

When Cal left, the name Cal was hot - not Memphis. How many top recruits still came to Memphis when Cal decided to leave? And, if your point is based on the OP, then why call a roster with a good number of high level recruits "hot garbage"?

Are you serious?? In addition to signing top 25 local talent like Joe Jackson and Adonis Thomas, and top 50 like Black and Crawford, Pastner was also able to land 3 top 15 recruits OUTSIDE OF MEMPHIS within a year of taking the job (Latavious Williams, Will Barton, Kendrick).

You don't think that that has changed? Do you think if Adonis Thomas was coming thru the high school ranks right now that he would sign with this dumpster fire? Do you think Pastner has it in him today to sign a top 10 recruit from Baltimore or Texas? No, no and no

Sorry that I wasn't clearer - but the train of thought of this thread was that Coach Cal had built this program up to where kids were lined up to play for it. If that were true, then those kids would have still wanted to play here when Coach Cal left. They did not. Coach Cal had (and still has) created a scenario where kids were lined up to play for him wherever he was. What Coach Pastner and his staff accomplished with out-of-town players is a feather in their caps and speaks well of the Tiger program as a whole at that time.

I will wholeheartedly agree that this program right now is floundering. There is something wrong, something disconnected, something missing, and I don't know the answer. But, as much as some here hate it - I would rather have a bball coach that graduates players and keeps the reputation of the University clean and have football be successful, than have a basketball coach that sucks the resources away from the rest of the athletic dept, has poor graduation rates, and gets us on probation.

What I do take real issue with, however, is anyone who calls the kids that choose to play for my university a dumpster fire. When Cal left, I was disappointed, and the roster was literally pretty bare - only a handful of scholarship players - but does that mean we should just sit back and take pot shots at them. No. I rooted on Doneal and Willie and Wesley and Pierre.

(08-12-2015 09:11 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  It's obviously difficult for you to process intelligent thoughts. The name was hot when Cal left. The name doesn't dven tread water now. Top recruits were fighting to play here for Cal. Top recruits don't even return phone calls now. It takes time to rebrand the program. The fact that he leaves behind a bunch of hot garbage on the roster with eligibility is irrelevant.

The only bunch of hot garbage left here is your post. How do you know if top prospects return calls? I guess you are one of the privileged insiders who claim to know everything and know nothing. As far as being able to process intelligent thought you should look into the mirror and question if you are able to process an intelligent thought.
Smoking a Fat Boy will surely mess that process up Mile High Tiger.

Bunch of delusion in this thread. Pastner has had six years to continue a program that was red hot. He has floundered around and turned us into a laughing stock that only mediocre JUCOs want to play for.

(08-13-2015 08:09 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  Bunch of delusion in this thread. Pastner has had six years to continue a program that was red hot. He has floundered around and turned us into a laughing stock that only mediocre JUCOs want to play for.

all things fair and equal, dj made such a lasting impression, I don't ever think you'll talk him out of not risking that.

(08-13-2015 09:04 PM)tigeriron Wrote:  

(08-13-2015 08:09 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  Bunch of delusion in this thread. Pastner has had six years to continue a program that was red hot. He has floundered around and turned us into a laughing stock that only mediocre JUCOs want to play for.

all things fair and equal, dj made such a lasting impression, I don't ever think you'll talk him out of not risking that.

Yea, DJ was good, but he was a low risk guy in a deep Memphis class. Now days it's a bunch of low risk guys but very few rewards. One of these JUCOs could be great but so what? We have a mediocre team

with a half cup full of potential as much.

when you have nothing to lose by being positive and nothing to gain otherwise, I choose to just wait and see

(08-11-2015 02:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'll still wait to judge the class until after it's signed.

Staff has been pretty good overall with grad transfers and alright with JCs.

In terms of signing purely top 100 HS talent though, they are probably correct.

Calkins and Parrish are self-appointed experts.....who are expert only on spewing intellectual feces.

Had Dedric and Nick Marshall not reclassified for this year, they--along with Fisher--would make a highly rated class before any other signees and there WILL BE SOME FROM THE TOP 100.

Calkins is an egghead idiot: highly educated but couldn't find his way forward on a railroad track

(08-14-2015 12:24 PM)bigbob Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 02:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'll still wait to judge the class until after it's signed.

Staff has been pretty good overall with grad transfers and alright with JCs.

In terms of signing purely top 100 HS talent though, they are probably correct.

Calkins and Parrish are self-appointed experts.....who are expert only on spewing intellectual feces.

Had Dedric and Nick Marshall not reclassified for this year, they--along with Fisher--would make a highly rated class before any other signees and there WILL BE SOME FROM THE TOP 100.

Calkins is an egghead idiot: highly educated but couldn't find his way forward on a railroad track

So, then, you "pretend" Dedric and Marshall are 2016.

That just means 2015 is a poor class. The only player of note is the one whose daddy we hired. The other "big" recruit is one Memphis stole from La. Tech. Heck, Broddie was a reclass, too.

What that seems to mean is that Pastner was in on NO ONE of note in 2015 and did his damnedest to stock pile as much as he could for one last stand this year.

(08-14-2015 12:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:24 PM)bigbob Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 02:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'll still wait to judge the class until after it's signed.

Staff has been pretty good overall with grad transfers and alright with JCs.

In terms of signing purely top 100 HS talent though, they are probably correct.

Calkins and Parrish are self-appointed experts.....who are expert only on spewing intellectual feces.

Had Dedric and Nick Marshall not reclassified for this year, they--along with Fisher--would make a highly rated class before any other signees and there WILL BE SOME FROM THE TOP 100.

Calkins is an egghead idiot: highly educated but couldn't find his way forward on a railroad track

So, then, you "pretend" Dedric and Marshall are 2016.

That just means 2015 is a poor class. The only player of note is the one whose daddy we hired. The other "big" recruit is one Memphis stole from La. Tech. Heck, Broddie was a reclass, too.

What that seems to mean is that Pastner was in on NO ONE of note in 2015 and did his damnedest to stock pile as much as he could for one last stand this year.

Sounds like 2013-14 with the four kings, except for the "last stand" part.

Look, a coach either recruits freshmen with potential and develops them to build a program, or he takes some kind of shortcut. Shortcuts can work sometimes, but if your modus operandi involves depending on them at the expense of the former method, you'd better have some really good non-traditional players (grad transfers, one-and-dones, jucos, etc.) in addition to your recruiting classes.

I count 16 scholarship players that Josh has actually recruited, signed, and coached in his six seasons here (out of 27 players, total, in that category) who were freshmen when they arrived. That leaves out people like Kendrick and Magee, and maybe I missed one or two somewhere, but that's what I come up with. He didn't recruit Barham (and Barham wasn't even a scholarship player when he came.) So 16 potential four-year players in six seasons.

Only three have made it four years. Only two others, who fit that category, might some day. Shaq probably will in year seven, and Markel could in year nine, if that were to happen. Three in six years; potentially a hand full if Josh were to remain for nine years. That's not many. That's a lot of shortcuts. Maybe that will be part of his learning curve, or maybe, as I'm sure some on here believe (Tiger15?), that's just the way it is with what is tantamount to free agency nowadays in college bball.

(08-14-2015 12:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:24 PM)bigbob Wrote:  

(08-11-2015 02:51 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'll still wait to judge the class until after it's signed.

Staff has been pretty good overall with grad transfers and alright with JCs.

In terms of signing purely top 100 HS talent though, they are probably correct.

Calkins and Parrish are self-appointed experts.....who are expert only on spewing intellectual feces.

Had Dedric and Nick Marshall not reclassified for this year, they--along with Fisher--would make a highly rated class before any other signees and there WILL BE SOME FROM THE TOP 100.

Calkins is an egghead idiot: highly educated but couldn't find his way forward on a railroad track

So, then, you "pretend" Dedric and Marshall are 2016.

That just means 2015 is a poor class. The only player of note is the one whose daddy we hired. The other "big" recruit is one Memphis stole from La. Tech. Heck, Broddie was a reclass, too.

What that seems to mean is that Pastner was in on NO ONE of note in 2015 and did his damnedest to stock pile as much as he could for one last stand this year.

Pastner had the team he needed....did a great job recruiting and filling the gaps from last season and then Austin pulled his stunt....killer.