8 regular season wins, bowl game win = 9

(08-08-2015 09:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 09:40 PM)tigergeorge55 Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 08:54 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Beat the Rebels and beat the Bearcats and we're in good shape.

YES that is the ticket these are the only two that we could possibly lose and that the OLE MISS Game and Bowling Green, OLE MISS is coming here, coming here. It will be a sell out for the Tigers.

Houston has a new coach, Tulane only has two featured backs, bowling green won the MAC they are a mystery? CINCY only has two players the QB and one receiver and NO DEFENSE.

at least 10 and 2, 9 and 3 maybe, nothing less.

The only two we could possibly lose are Ole Miss and Bowling Green?

We could also lose to any of Cincy, Navy, Houston and Temple. Maybe even USF in Tampa. I'm not saying we will, only that those games aren't guaranteed wins, by any means.

And we could easily have a WTF game against several others.

This is how exactly how I feel.

(08-08-2015 11:57 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 09:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 09:40 PM)tigergeorge55 Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 08:54 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Beat the Rebels and beat the Bearcats and we're in good shape.

YES that is the ticket these are the only two that we could possibly lose and that the OLE MISS Game and Bowling Green, OLE MISS is coming here, coming here. It will be a sell out for the Tigers.

Houston has a new coach, Tulane only has two featured backs, bowling green won the MAC they are a mystery? CINCY only has two players the QB and one receiver and NO DEFENSE.

at least 10 and 2, 9 and 3 maybe, nothing less.

The only two we could possibly lose are Ole Miss and Bowling Green?

We could also lose to any of Cincy, Navy, Houston and Temple. Maybe even USF in Tampa. I'm not saying we will, only that those games aren't guaranteed wins, by any means.

And we could easily have a WTF game against several others.

This is how exactly how I feel.

Theoretically, we could lose all our games or win all our games. However, there is a number of losses triggering underachievement. I expect at least nine regular wins and perhaps more now that the defense - based on JF's statements and media reports - maybe better than commonly assumed.

(08-08-2015 12:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:57 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 09:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 09:40 PM)tigergeorge55 Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 08:54 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Beat the Rebels and beat the Bearcats and we're in good shape.

YES that is the ticket these are the only two that we could possibly lose and that the OLE MISS Game and Bowling Green, OLE MISS is coming here, coming here. It will be a sell out for the Tigers.

Houston has a new coach, Tulane only has two featured backs, bowling green won the MAC they are a mystery? CINCY only has two players the QB and one receiver and NO DEFENSE.

at least 10 and 2, 9 and 3 maybe, nothing less.

The only two we could possibly lose are Ole Miss and Bowling Green?

We could also lose to any of Cincy, Navy, Houston and Temple. Maybe even USF in Tampa. I'm not saying we will, only that those games aren't guaranteed wins, by any means.

And we could easily have a WTF game against several others.

This is how exactly how I feel.

Theoretically, we could lose all our games or win all our games. However, there is a number of losses triggering underachievement. I expect at least nine regular wins and perhaps more now that the defense - based on JF's statements and media reports - maybe better than commonly assumed.

Underachievement to what standard? There isn't one. It's all subjective.

(08-08-2015 01:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:57 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 09:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 09:40 PM)tigergeorge55 Wrote:  YES that is the ticket these are the only two that we could possibly lose and that the OLE MISS Game and Bowling Green, OLE MISS is coming here, coming here. It will be a sell out for the Tigers.

Houston has a new coach, Tulane only has two featured backs, bowling green won the MAC they are a mystery? CINCY only has two players the QB and one receiver and NO DEFENSE.

at least 10 and 2, 9 and 3 maybe, nothing less.

The only two we could possibly lose are Ole Miss and Bowling Green?

We could also lose to any of Cincy, Navy, Houston and Temple. Maybe even USF in Tampa. I'm not saying we will, only that those games aren't guaranteed wins, by any means.

And we could easily have a WTF game against several others.

This is how exactly how I feel.

Theoretically, we could lose all our games or win all our games. However, there is a number of losses triggering underachievement. I expect at least nine regular wins and perhaps more now that the defense - based on JF's statements and media reports - maybe better than commonly assumed.

Underachievement to what standard? There isn't one. It's all subjective.

Of course, it is subjective. It is the reason I ask the question on the messageboard. For example, do you consider one win underachievement? If yes, is two wins underachievement and so forth. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Just my two cents:

Even though last year was an amazing run we are not to the point where we can expect 10+ wins every year. We cannot do to football what we have done to the basketball team (which is sweet sixteen or bust every year). Yes I feel we should make the sweet sixteen every few years but I don't expect it every year (very few teams do that year in and year out). That being said very few football teams win 10+ every year and we are not even close to that caliber of team. For our team a successful year should be 8-9 wins and challenge for the AAC championship. Yes we could go undefeated but we could also lose 5 games easily (Ole Miss, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Navy, and Houston). i honestly think we go 9-3 this year in the regular season but I will not be upset at 8-4 or even 7-5. We just aren't allowed to have those expectations this quickly. If our basketball team won the NCAA championship this year () based on past performance could we expect the same thing year in and year out? No we can't because we haven't done it consistently. Well same with football, last year was hopefully the first of many 10+ win seasons, but until it becomes consistent we can't expect it.

Will project 15 unless we lose a game then i will adjust.

(08-08-2015 01:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 01:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:57 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 09:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The only two we could possibly lose are Ole Miss and Bowling Green?

We could also lose to any of Cincy, Navy, Houston and Temple. Maybe even USF in Tampa. I'm not saying we will, only that those games aren't guaranteed wins, by any means.

And we could easily have a WTF game against several others.

This is how exactly how I feel.

Theoretically, we could lose all our games or win all our games. However, there is a number of losses triggering underachievement. I expect at least nine regular wins and perhaps more now that the defense - based on JF's statements and media reports - maybe better than commonly assumed.

Underachievement to what standard? There isn't one. It's all subjective.

Of course, it is subjective. It is the reason I ask the question on the messageboard. For example, do you consider one win underachievement? If yes, is two wins underachievement and so forth. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Okay, my opinion is, before the season starts, I don't set a number of wins as my expectation of whether it's a successful season, or not. I honestly think we could reasonably have anywhere from 6 to 11 wins in the regular season. Whether I'm okay with any specific number will depend on what happens during the season to affect my idea of reasonable. Such as injuries, rise or fall of other opponents, etc.

I think otherwise, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment, for no logical reason. Or, setting yourself up to ***** about the coach, b/c he didn't meet your expectation.

What's wrong with setting a win goal and adjusting as needed? I thought 8 wins was a huge accomplishment last year prior to the season, then Efedi gets hurt and is out for extended time, so I readjusted my expectation to 6 wins and a bowl game.

I don't think that's a big deal

(08-08-2015 04:44 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 01:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 01:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:57 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  This is how exactly how I feel.

Theoretically, we could lose all our games or win all our games. However, there is a number of losses triggering underachievement. I expect at least nine regular wins and perhaps more now that the defense - based on JF's statements and media reports - maybe better than commonly assumed.

Underachievement to what standard? There isn't one. It's all subjective.

Of course, it is subjective. It is the reason I ask the question on the messageboard. For example, do you consider one win underachievement? If yes, is two wins underachievement and so forth. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Okay, my opinion is, before the season starts, I don't set a number of wins as my expectation of whether it's a successful season, or not. I honestly think we could reasonably have anywhere from 6 to 11 wins in the regular season. Whether I'm okay with any specific number will depend on what happens during the season to affect my idea of reasonable. Such as injuries, rise or fall of other opponents, etc.

I think otherwise, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment, for no logical reason. Or, setting yourself up to ***** about the coach, b/c he didn't meet your expectation.

I think folks are disingenuous if they are not disappointed when the Tigers fail to meet their internal expectations or expectations derived by credible independent sources.

Like many of us here, my loyality and support (both materially and physically as means and time permit) for the Tigers remains undimished by disappointment.

College football is a results oriented business. It is ok to care about results.

(08-07-2015 09:54 AM)UofMTigerFan Wrote:  8-10 wins. It would be hard to get as many good bounces as last year.

We have gotten better every year. Last year we doubled up some teams (scores) that had beaten us that bad the year before. We will be better this year. Last year we lost to Houston, maybe we should have won that game, maybe not.

The Tigers have a target on their backs this year. Got a bum rap by having to play at UConn for the second straight year. So, one game at a time.

I think 10 wins going into the AAC Championship game. Whatever, it's going to be fun.

(08-08-2015 05:03 PM)MileHighTiger Wrote:  What's wrong with setting a win goal and adjusting as needed? I thought 8 wins was a huge accomplishment last year prior to the season, then Efedi gets hurt and is out for extended time, so I readjusted my expectation to 6 wins and a bowl game.

I don't think that's a big deal

Adjusting as needed is fine. I'm simply saying it for those who set a number at the beginning and stick to it, regardless of what happens during the season.

(08-08-2015 05:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 04:44 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 01:42 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 01:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Theoretically, we could lose all our games or win all our games. However, there is a number of losses triggering underachievement. I expect at least nine regular wins and perhaps more now that the defense - based on JF's statements and media reports - maybe better than commonly assumed.

Underachievement to what standard? There isn't one. It's all subjective.

Of course, it is subjective. It is the reason I ask the question on the messageboard. For example, do you consider one win underachievement? If yes, is two wins underachievement and so forth. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Okay, my opinion is, before the season starts, I don't set a number of wins as my expectation of whether it's a successful season, or not. I honestly think we could reasonably have anywhere from 6 to 11 wins in the regular season. Whether I'm okay with any specific number will depend on what happens during the season to affect my idea of reasonable. Such as injuries, rise or fall of other opponents, etc.

I think otherwise, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment, for no logical reason. Or, setting yourself up to ***** about the coach, b/c he didn't meet your expectation.

I think folks are disingenuous if they are not disappointed when the Tigers fail to meet their internal expectations or expectations derived by credible independent sources.

Like many of us here, my loyality and support (both materially and physically as means and time permit) for the Tigers remains undimished by disappointment.

College football is a results oriented business. It is ok to care about results.

I don't set a numbers goal. Ever. Do you really think I'm disingenuous? No. I just have a different approach. And I'm a fan, so I sure as hell care about results.

My point is, I'm not going to pick a number in the preseason, and then be disappointed if we don't hit it. Stuff happens.

BTW, Fuenrte said this defense is talented, but he didn't say it wojld be as good as last year. He left room for it to be worse, by saying it will depend on whether they have the discipline to execute, which he doesn't know yet.

So, I don't really take his comments as something that means we should raise our expectations, which are being raised from an arbitrary starting point, in the first place.

Posted my thoughts on this in another thread but here it is. I am very optimistic but after 30 years as a Tiger football supporter my expectations are tempered.

I'm thinking 8 wins, but this team is getting better and better. It may be that we hit 10 wins but we really need a stronger running game and a few taller receivers imo to set up what is a great passing game. As always we need taller DBs but we may be able to just outscore a lot of people if weather conditions are reasonable.

Bad weather will favor a power oriented team and work against us but if we can strike early and get ahead we could take those games as well. This is an exciting Tiger football team and very talented, I mean no slight on anyone, just stating what I believe to be the difference between 8,9,10 or 11 wins.

We will also have to dodge the injury bug. I remember a QB once upon a time named Steve Matthews. We are so close but not quite there yet imo. When are we going to play that game with UTK?

Being as talented as last year and being "as good" are not the same thing.

(08-09-2015 07:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Being as talented as last year and being "as good" are not the same thing.

This group actually may be more talented than last year (e.g., see CA article on the DB's). Nevertheless, they are coached by JF. He has demonstrated the ability to make the most out of talent in a short time.