(08-01-2015 03:56 PM)reick Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 10:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 09:00 AM)reick Wrote:  They make a decent #16 as long as no ACC schools are available. Great BB program but hard to see how they add 40 mil to a conferences bottom line. Similar to but a little above UConn probably.

The B1G has proven canny at bringing new members along very slowly in terms of collecting a full share of that money. What's this, Nebraska's fifth year in the league, and they still aren't getting a full cut?

I imagine that if Kansas joined the B1G under duress as part of a Big 12 collapse, they would get far less than the full cut to begin with and it would take many years until they are getting that $40 million.

True

My point is that it's hard to see how ku adds 40 mil, or whatever that number will be a few years down the road, to the bottom line of the conference. I don't see a few years of reduced payouts making up for it.

That's quite possible. KU's basketball is one of the top 10 blue-blood brands, but it's football is abysmal and has no brand power at all.

KU would be "on the bubble" in terms of being picked up by a P5 should the Big 12 collapse.

(08-01-2015 04:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 03:56 PM)reick Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 10:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 09:00 AM)reick Wrote:  They make a decent #16 as long as no ACC schools are available. Great BB program but hard to see how they add 40 mil to a conferences bottom line. Similar to but a little above UConn probably.

The B1G has proven canny at bringing new members along very slowly in terms of collecting a full share of that money. What's this, Nebraska's fifth year in the league, and they still aren't getting a full cut?

I imagine that if Kansas joined the B1G under duress as part of a Big 12 collapse, they would get far less than the full cut to begin with and it would take many years until they are getting that $40 million.

True

My point is that it's hard to see how ku adds 40 mil, or whatever that number will be a few years down the road, to the bottom line of the conference. I don't see a few years of reduced payouts making up for it.

That's quite possible. KU's basketball is one of the top 10 blue-blood brands, but it's football is abysmal and has no brand power at all.

KU would be "on the bubble" in terms of being picked up by a P5 should the Big 12 collapse.

I think it has been posted many times by multiple posters, Kansas has more power right now then they have had in perhaps a very, very long time. How long that lasts idk? How they handle that power idk?

(08-01-2015 04:38 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 04:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 03:56 PM)reick Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 10:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 09:00 AM)reick Wrote:  They make a decent #16 as long as no ACC schools are available. Great BB program but hard to see how they add 40 mil to a conferences bottom line. Similar to but a little above UConn probably.

The B1G has proven canny at bringing new members along very slowly in terms of collecting a full share of that money. What's this, Nebraska's fifth year in the league, and they still aren't getting a full cut?

I imagine that if Kansas joined the B1G under duress as part of a Big 12 collapse, they would get far less than the full cut to begin with and it would take many years until they are getting that $40 million.

True

My point is that it's hard to see how ku adds 40 mil, or whatever that number will be a few years down the road, to the bottom line of the conference. I don't see a few years of reduced payouts making up for it.

That's quite possible. KU's basketball is one of the top 10 blue-blood brands, but it's football is abysmal and has no brand power at all.

KU would be "on the bubble" in terms of being picked up by a P5 should the Big 12 collapse.

I think it has been posted many times by multiple posters, Kansas has more power right now then they have had in perhaps a very, very long time. How long that lasts idk? How they handle that power idk?

If by power you mean the best available school to follow OU to another league I think you may be right. Of course that is dependent on the conference needing to maintain an even number of schools. If CCG requirements are changed, that need may disappear. With no requirement for divisions with round robin play, a conference could make 15 teams work. It's going to be very interesting to see what OU is going to do and what the fallout will be if they decide to leave.

(08-01-2015 03:56 PM)reick Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 10:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 09:00 AM)reick Wrote:  They make a decent #16 as long as no ACC schools are available. Great BB program but hard to see how they add 40 mil to a conferences bottom line. Similar to but a little above UConn probably.

The B1G has proven canny at bringing new members along very slowly in terms of collecting a full share of that money. What's this, Nebraska's fifth year in the league, and they still aren't getting a full cut?

I imagine that if Kansas joined the B1G under duress as part of a Big 12 collapse, they would get far less than the full cut to begin with and it would take many years until they are getting that $40 million.

True

My point is that it's hard to see how ku adds 40 mil, or whatever that number will be a few years down the road, to the bottom line of the conference. I don't see a few years of reduced payouts making up for it.

Spoken like a true Missourian. I presume you're an MU fan.

There's a lot of stupid in this thread.
- KU was No. 23 in the NCAA in athletic department revenue in 2014 at $97.6M (MU No. 32 at $84 million).
- KU BB is a national brand name, it has a nationwide following.
- People watch KU BB coast-to-coast for love or hate, and KU generates TV ratings.
- KU is an AAU school.
- KU owns the KC market and it's not even close -- NOT EVEN CLOSE. Even so, since KU is a national brand, the market size isn't relevant.

KU isn't getting left behind. Anyone who actually thinks that is an idiot. Case closed, end of story.

(08-01-2015 05:20 PM)kurtrundell Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 03:56 PM)reick Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 10:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 09:00 AM)reick Wrote:  They make a decent #16 as long as no ACC schools are available. Great BB program but hard to see how they add 40 mil to a conferences bottom line. Similar to but a little above UConn probably.

The B1G has proven canny at bringing new members along very slowly in terms of collecting a full share of that money. What's this, Nebraska's fifth year in the league, and they still aren't getting a full cut?

I imagine that if Kansas joined the B1G under duress as part of a Big 12 collapse, they would get far less than the full cut to begin with and it would take many years until they are getting that $40 million.

True

My point is that it's hard to see how ku adds 40 mil, or whatever that number will be a few years down the road, to the bottom line of the conference. I don't see a few years of reduced payouts making up for it.

Spoken like a true Missourian. I presume you're an MU fan.

There's a lot of stupid in this thread.
- KU was No. 23 in the NCAA in athletic department revenue in 2014 at $97.6M (MU No. 32 at $84 million).
- KU BB is a national brand name, it has a nationwide following.
- People watch KU BB coast-to-coast for love or hate, and KU generates TV ratings.
- KU is an AAU school.
- KU owns the KC market and it's not even close -- NOT EVEN CLOSE. Even so, since KU is a national brand, the market size isn't relevant.

KU isn't getting left behind. Anyone who actually thinks that is an idiot. Case closed, end of story.

Would have been crazy if the Texohoma 4 had gone to the PAC. Just for fun, what is your opinion on what Kansas would have done if they did bolt the Big 12 back then? What was their options?

KU is one of the Big 12's 3 brands that the other Power Conferences want.

Even the SEC would be glad to have them even if they're a big stretch culturally because its adding an AAU school and another blue blood basketball program besides UK.

(08-01-2015 05:31 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  KU is one of the Big 12's 3 brands that the other Power Conferences want.

Even the SEC would be glad to have them even if they're a big stretch culturally because its adding an AAU school and another blue blood basketball program besides UK.

I agree. I think the SEC would take both them and OU together. I don't know that they would take ku alone.

(08-01-2015 05:31 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  KU is one of the Big 12's 3 brands that the other Power Conferences want.

Even the SEC would be glad to have them even if they're a big stretch culturally because its adding an AAU school and another blue blood basketball program besides UK.

UK wouldn't like it....they enjoy ruling very mediocre basketball league (at best).

Kansas is already in a P5.

Why then is there a concern about them getting into a P5?

(08-01-2015 07:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Kansas is already in a P5.

Why then is there a concern about them getting into a P5?

You have just touched your paw on a touchy subject.

Old Money Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas and WVU Are the Power schools in the Big 12. All would safely find a P4 home. New money schools probably would too but only after the Big 4 are secured first.

(08-01-2015 11:09 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Old Money Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas and WVU Are the Power schools in the Big 12. All would safely find a P4 home. New money schools probably would too but only after the Big 4 are secured first.

WVU is old money?

You learn something new every day.

Strikes against Kansas?

1.They are in a small populated state.
2.Kansas claiming Kansas City tv market is like U. Conn. Claiming NYC and Boston markets.
3.Their football stinks.

Sorry, they don't bring football money to any P5 conferences.

(08-02-2015 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Strikes against Kansas?

1.They are in a small populated state.
2.Kansas claiming Kansas City tv market is like U. Conn. Claiming NYC and Boston markets.
3.Their football stinks.

Sorry, they don't bring football money to any P5 conferences.

Yeah, you're an idiot that obviously knows nothing about KC or KU. Lawrence is 30 minutes from downtown KC, not a tiny town in the middle of nowhere Connecticut. Again, with a national brand, state population means jack squat.

KU absolutely owns the KC market. Columbia is a 2.5-hour drive from KC. In KC, it's 75 percent KU, 15 percent KSU, 10 percent Mizzou. Nobody in KC cares about the Tigers. Seriously.

Yeah, KU football sucks, and has for 40 of the last 50 years, but the money-making basketball program makes up for it. They got rid of Mangino for being too mean to people, hired nice guy Turner Gill, who subsequently ran the program into the ground, and then followed it up with Weiss, who was apathetic toward the on-field performance but liked cashing his checks.

Still, KU still has one more BCS win than Mizzou and many other P5 programs.

(08-02-2015 07:44 AM)kurtrundell Wrote:  

(08-02-2015 02:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Strikes against Kansas?

1.They are in a small populated state.
2.Kansas claiming Kansas City tv market is like U. Conn. Claiming NYC and Boston markets.
3.Their football stinks.

Sorry, they don't bring football money to any P5 conferences.

Yeah, you're an idiot that obviously knows nothing about KC or KU. Lawrence is 30 minutes from downtown KC, not a tiny town in the middle of nowhere Connecticut. Again, with a national brand, state population means jack squat.

KU absolutely owns the KC market. Columbia is a 2.5-hour drive from KC. In KC, it's 75 percent KU, 15 percent KSU, 10 percent Mizzou. Nobody in KC cares about the Tigers. Seriously.

Yeah, KU football sucks, and has for 40 of the last 50 years, but the money-making basketball program makes up for it. They got rid of Mangino for being too mean to people, hired nice guy Turner Gill, who subsequently ran the program into the ground, and then followed it up with Weiss, who was apathetic toward the on-field performance but liked cashing his checks.

Still, KU still has one more BCS win than Mizzou and many other P5 programs.

You guys messed up in getting rid of Mangino. The guy had it going there. So he was a turd to people...he made the number print (as they say in business). I would have had him publicly apologize and get some touchy-feely counseling and kept him on as my football coach.

(07-31-2015 04:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 04:28 PM)miko33 Wrote:  With the eventual demise of the Big12 coming, it's fortunate that Kansas developed a strong BB program to make them more attractive to a P5 conference. FB is definitely not their forte; however, with BB they will likely get picked up by the B1G. BTN will need some BB content in the off season. No need for any AAC or Mountain West schools for further P5 expansion.

Kansas basketball is one of the most sought after programs in all of college athletics. Outside of Kentucky basketball, name me another college basketball team that can get over 1 million viewers?

Not sure, but maybe Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, Louisville.

(08-02-2015 08:43 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 04:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 04:28 PM)miko33 Wrote:  With the eventual demise of the Big12 coming, it's fortunate that Kansas developed a strong BB program to make them more attractive to a P5 conference. FB is definitely not their forte; however, with BB they will likely get picked up by the B1G. BTN will need some BB content in the off season. No need for any AAC or Mountain West schools for further P5 expansion.

Kansas basketball is one of the most sought after programs in all of college athletics. Outside of Kentucky basketball, name me another college basketball team that can get over 1 million viewers?

Not sure, but maybe Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, Louisville.

eh....I would probably par this list down to just und and duke

UofL is good but not on that level

IU hasn't been relevant since Bobby Knight for the most part

(08-02-2015 10:16 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

Well played, sir, well played.

KU definitely has brand cache in basketball, and is seen as respectable academically, but due to a multitude of factors (such as historically poor football, a small home market, and potential intrastate conflict with a unilateral move) has been properly seen as most attractive as a late addition, preferably paired with a partner that would complement their weaknesses (e.g. Oklahoma bringing elite football brand power to offset KU's weakness there).

What about the Kansas St baggage? There is no way they are taking 2 teams from Kansas in any other P4 or 5 league.