No, I'm confident that the entire BigXII will find P4 homes when the dust settles. I few G5 schools may even get called up as well...

(07-27-2015 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  OU/KU in the B1G.

UT and ND full time in the ACC.

AAC/Big 12 merger:

West: KSU, Baylor, TCU, ISU, OSU, Houston, TTech

East: WVU, UC, UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis

Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU either go back to Conf USA or MWC.

To me, that conference is enough, football wise, to compete for a playoff spot with the top 4.

This would be ideal

(07-27-2015 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU either go back to Conf USA or MWC.

The MWC could take those three plus Rice, and have itself a nice little pod system:

EAST
SMU
Rice
Tulsa
Tulane

MOUNTAIN
Wyoming
CSU
AFA
New Mexico

WEST
Boise St.
Utah St.
Nevada
UNLV

PACIFIC
Hawaii
SJSU
Fresno
SDSU

(07-27-2015 05:29 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I'll go on record as also predicting you'd be in a very small minority.

Me as well.

(07-27-2015 06:04 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  OU/KU in the B1G.

UT and ND full time in the ACC.

AAC/Big 12 merger:

West: KSU, Baylor, TCU, ISU, OSU, Houston, TTech

East: WVU, UC, UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis

Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU either go back to Conf USA or MWC.

To me, that conference is enough, football wise, to compete for a playoff spot with the top 4.

This would be ideal

Not really, no it wouldn't.

(07-27-2015 06:04 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  OU/KU in the B1G.

UT and ND full time in the ACC.

AAC/Big 12 merger:

West: KSU, Baylor, TCU, ISU, OSU, Houston, TTech

East: WVU, UC, UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis

Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU either go back to Conf USA or MWC.

To me, that conference is enough, football wise, to compete for a playoff spot with the top 4.

This would be ideal

Ideal for the teams in the AAC East minus WVU. For everyone else it's crap sandwich.

People simply don't understand that there are some major differences in ISU, KSU, OSU, WVU, and Tech compared to schools like Memphis, USF, UCF, etc.. Look at AD budgets, subsidy, ticket sales, donations, attendance/enrollment, etc.. and it's just different. Memphis was in C-USA just a few years ago and has zero football history, literally 4 bowl wins in it's entire history. Never even won C-USA in almost 20 years and now you think they can suddenly compete financially with teams like Oklahoma State with 117 million in AD revenue? That is a nice story but not realistic. Schools like Louisville and WVU had the $ to compete. Schools like Baylor and TCU have the $ to compete. Most AAC schools don't.

This tells the real story.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

With the knowledge that FOX has the power to allow the schools to get out of the GOR, you know the schools will be heading to where FOX wants them to.

Kansas = B1G
Oklahoma = B1G
Texas= Pac12
Oklahoma State = Pac12
TCU or Baylor = Pac12
Texas Tech = Pac12

I don't know what would happen with Kansas State, West Virginia and Iowa State.

B1G is after Oklahoma, Kansas, UVA, Georgia Tech, UNC

I'm waiting for Rice to announce a huge athletics investment.

Megaconferences (leagues) could look and act more like historical conferences than what we have now.

Big10-East
UNC, UVA, UMD, RU, PSU, tOSU, IU, PU, UM, MSU
Big10-Central
ILL, NW, Wisc, UMN, Iowa, Nebraska, Mizzou, KU, OU, UT
Big10-West
UW, UO, Cal, Furd, UCLA, USC, UA, ASU, UU, CU

SEC goes to 20.
SEC East:
VT, NCST, KY, WVU, SCar, Clemson, UGA, GT, UF, FSU
SEC West:
UT, Vandy, Alabama, Auburn, Miss, MSU, LSU, A&M, Ark, OkSU

Division champs (5) go straight to an 8 team playoff with three at large bids. That's how the schools fill their pockets.

(07-27-2015 06:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  With the knowledge that FOX has the power to allow the schools to get out of the GOR, you know the schools will be heading to where FOX wants them to.

Kansas = B1G
Oklahoma = B1G
Texas= Pac12
Oklahoma State = Pac12
TCU or Baylor = Pac12
Texas Tech = Pac12

I don't know what would happen with Kansas State, West Virginia and Iowa State.

B1G is after Oklahoma, Kansas, UVA, Georgia Tech, UNC

You misunderstand. It isn't that Fox is the only Network with that kind of power. ESPN is party to the GoR as well. Fox has a lot more to lose than ESPN though with the dissolution of the big 12 so they are more likely to stick it to the departing schools if they don't gain something in the positive column that matches or exceeds what they see in the negative column with the dissolution of the big 12.

ESPN's ties with Texas make the chance of them joining the PAC very slim.

I will say this for your benefit despite the fact that I have shown this list many times here.

KU and OU to The Big Ten

OSU and WVU to The SEC

Texas (partial) along with Baylor and UConn to the ACC

TTU, TCU, ISU and KSU to the PAC.

(07-27-2015 06:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  With the knowledge that FOX has the power to allow the schools to get out of the GOR, you know the schools will be heading to where FOX wants them to.

Kansas = B1G
Oklahoma = B1G
Texas= Pac12
Oklahoma State = Pac12
TCU or Baylor = Pac12
Texas Tech = Pac12

I don't know what would happen with Kansas State, West Virginia and Iowa State.

B1G is after Oklahoma, Kansas, UVA, Georgia Tech, UNC

TCU and Baylor were never on the PAC 12's radar. They would take Boise State and San Diego State instead. Not sure they want Oklahoma State without Oklahoma either. As it is, they only really wanted Oklahoma and Texas. If Texas goes to the ACC? Than, I do not see PAC 12 pick any Big 12 schools.

Texas to the Pac 12 will never happen. Time zones would kill UT. SEC Will never allow UT to push them around. IMO they would go to the ACC where they can get more pull.

If the Big XII implodes that opens the door for the P4 to decide each conference gets one spot in the CFP, forcing ND to join a conference (ACC). Best of the Big XII orphans are gobbled up by PAC and SEC. All is right with the world

(07-27-2015 06:23 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 06:04 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  OU/KU in the B1G.

UT and ND full time in the ACC.

AAC/Big 12 merger:

West: KSU, Baylor, TCU, ISU, OSU, Houston, TTech

East: WVU, UC, UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis

Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU either go back to Conf USA or MWC.

To me, that conference is enough, football wise, to compete for a playoff spot with the top 4.

This would be ideal

Ideal for the teams in the AAC East minus WVU. For everyone else it's crap sandwich.

People simply don't understand that there are some major differences in ISU, KSU, OSU, WVU, and Tech compared to schools like Memphis, USF, UCF, etc.. Look at AD budgets, subsidy, ticket sales, donations, attendance/enrollment, etc.. and it's just different. Memphis was in C-USA just a few years ago and has zero football history, literally 4 bowl wins in it's entire history. Never even won C-USA in almost 20 years and now you think they can suddenly compete financially with teams like Oklahoma State with 117 million in AD revenue? That is a nice story but not realistic. Schools like Louisville and WVU had the $ to compete. Schools like Baylor and TCU have the $ to compete. Most AAC schools don't.

This tells the real story.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Kewl story bro. By the way, Oklahoma State would be a bottom feeder in most conferences. If it wasn't for Oklahoma pulling you along, you'd be crying louder then most.

(07-27-2015 07:00 PM)Jimi357 Wrote:  Texas to the Pac 12 will never happen. Time zones would kill UT. SEC Will never allow UT to push them around. IMO they would go to the ACC where they can get more pull.

If the Big XII implodes that opens the door for the P4 to decide each conference gets one spot in the CFP, forcing ND to join a conference (ACC). Best of the Big XII orphans are gobbled up by PAC and SEC. All is right with the world

Exactly! It expands the CFP without REALLY expanding it. The Conference Championship Games become your "Elite 8" if you will, and since there's more significance placed on them, it increases the likely viewership thus making them more valuable to the networks and conferences alike.

(07-27-2015 07:33 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 07:00 PM)Jimi357 Wrote:  Texas to the Pac 12 will never happen. Time zones would kill UT. SEC Will never allow UT to push them around. IMO they would go to the ACC where they can get more pull.

If the Big XII implodes that opens the door for the P4 to decide each conference gets one spot in the CFP, forcing ND to join a conference (ACC). Best of the Big XII orphans are gobbled up by PAC and SEC. All is right with the world

Exactly! It expands the CFP without REALLY expanding it. The Conference Championship Games become your "Elite 8" if you will, and since there's more significance placed on them, it increases the likely viewership thus making them more valuable to the networks and conferences alike.

The conferences want their own post season expanded before the National is. If anyone thinks otherwise then I would direct them to Exhibit A: March Madness. It grew so large so quick that conference tournaments were basically muted in terms of how much attention they draw. It is hard to draw attention when you are muted.

The CFP is controlled by the conferences. As I said before, Ollie Luck said that. They will not let it expand until they get what they want. They KNOW the public is clamoring for it thus they KNOW that ESPN wants it oh so badly. It is great leverage for the conferences to get the Networks to pay for new homes for every single big 12 school.

We really need to stop agreeing so much. Lol

The idea that 20 team conferences aren't workable isn't grounded in much other than a lack of memory of it happening.

Big conferences were the norm when the NCAA was a far weaker entity. Even if you rarely or never played other conference members you wanted those schools in your conference so they would play by the same limitations you played under. The stronger the NCAA became, the smaller conferences became and the rise of the independent took place. 1964 was the first year no major conference had 12 teams. 1966 the first year none had 11 members.

It took the NCAA losing power over television for the trend to reverse.

With TV deregulated and autonomy being a bicameral system of conference votes and school votes a conference desiring greater control over the process is well served growing larger by financially linking more institutions and increasing the amount of interaction outside NCAA voting.

The value of a conference is not in playing everyone regularly in football (SEC survived decades with some match-ups rarely taking place) the value is hosting championship events, joining economic power, and joint branding.

Texas and Ohio State do not need to play football annually, twice a decade or ever to gain mutual benefit in TV revenue, brand awareness, bowl negotiations, lobbying for NCAA actions, etc.

Larger conferences can lead to further limiting of the NCAA away from micro-management of the small details.

(07-27-2015 06:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 06:30 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  With the knowledge that FOX has the power to allow the schools to get out of the GOR, you know the schools will be heading to where FOX wants them to.

Kansas = B1G
Oklahoma = B1G
Texas= Pac12
Oklahoma State = Pac12
TCU or Baylor = Pac12
Texas Tech = Pac12

I don't know what would happen with Kansas State, West Virginia and Iowa State.

B1G is after Oklahoma, Kansas, UVA, Georgia Tech, UNC

TCU and Baylor were never on the PAC 12's radar. They would take Boise State and San Diego State instead. Not sure they want Oklahoma State without Oklahoma either. As it is, they only really wanted Oklahoma and Texas. If Texas goes to the ACC? Than, I do not see PAC 12 pick any Big 12 schools.

Boise State to the PAC? When pigs fly.

(07-27-2015 06:23 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 06:04 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 05:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  OU/KU in the B1G.

UT and ND full time in the ACC.

AAC/Big 12 merger:

West: KSU, Baylor, TCU, ISU, OSU, Houston, TTech

East: WVU, UC, UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Memphis

Tulane, Tulsa, and SMU either go back to Conf USA or MWC.

To me, that conference is enough, football wise, to compete for a playoff spot with the top 4.

This would be ideal

Ideal for the teams in the AAC East minus WVU. For everyone else it's crap sandwich.

People simply don't understand that there are some major differences in ISU, KSU, OSU, WVU, and Tech compared to schools like Memphis, USF, UCF, etc.. Look at AD budgets, subsidy, ticket sales, donations, attendance/enrollment, etc.. and it's just different. Memphis was in C-USA just a few years ago and has zero football history, literally 4 bowl wins in it's entire history. Never even won C-USA in almost 20 years and now you think they can suddenly compete financially with teams like Oklahoma State with 117 million in AD revenue? That is a nice story but not realistic. Schools like Louisville and WVU had the $ to compete. Schools like Baylor and TCU have the $ to compete. Most AAC schools don't.

This tells the real story.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Does Cincinnati have the dollars to compete? How do they compare to Louisville?

(07-27-2015 07:39 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  We really need to stop agreeing so much. Lol

If it was anyone else posting what you posted, I might not have responded.

(07-27-2015 07:41 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The idea that 20 team conferences aren't workable isn't grounded in much other than a lack of memory of it happening.

Big conferences were the norm when the NCAA was a far weaker entity. Even if you rarely or never played other conference members you wanted those schools in your conference so they would play by the same limitations you played under. The stronger the NCAA became, the smaller conferences became and the rise of the independent took place. 1964 was the first year no major conference had 12 teams. 1966 the first year none had 11 members.

It took the NCAA losing power over television for the trend to reverse.

With TV deregulated and autonomy being a bicameral system of conference votes and school votes a conference desiring greater control over the process is well served growing larger by financially linking more institutions and increasing the amount of interaction outside NCAA voting.

The value of a conference is not in playing everyone regularly in football (SEC survived decades with some match-ups rarely taking place) the value is hosting championship events, joining economic power, and joint branding.

Texas and Ohio State do not need to play football annually, twice a decade or ever to gain mutual benefit in TV revenue, brand awareness, bowl negotiations, lobbying for NCAA actions, etc.

Larger conferences can lead to further limiting of the NCAA away from micro-management of the small details.

I am only saying the AAC will do it. Let me illustrate why it will work. Many of the reasons why you think it wouldn't work, are actually why it would work. Let me show you.


AAC

East Division
UCF
USF
ECU
(Fill in the Blank)
(Fill in the Blank)

South Division
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane
(Fill in the Blank)

West Division
Boise State
San Diego State
Colorado State
BYU
Fresno State

North Division
Cincy
Temple
(Fill in the Blank)
(Fill in the Blank)
(Fill in the Blank)



The italicized schools are already AAC. I don't have UConn or Navy in it because I personally don't think either of them will be with the AAC at this point.

I left some fill in the blank spots open for folks to have fun with. I have previously filled it all in with my own opinions but that's no fun. Most schools in other mid majors will want to be in on this.

Four divisions of five teams each with a seven game conference schedule. That is four games in your regional division and then just one game against each other division. That leaves each school five ooc games to schedule on their own for the money games.