Maybe its time for the pac 12 to do something. Invites to 8 big 12 school's, probably everybody but baylor and WVU. Form pac 20, sell off pac 12 network to fox/espn.

(07-27-2015 02:47 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 02:39 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  When Texas gives the ok to blow things up, well, things are going to get blown up.

Always had a gut feeling the B1G TV negotiations were going to blow things up somehow since the GOR is not something a school or conference would attach head on, but if you can destroy a conference so the GOR's breach doesn't get activated and the networks sign off on the moves, then all is good.

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(07-27-2015 02:39 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  When Texas gives the ok to blow things up, well, things are going to get blown up.

Always had a gut feeling the B1G TV negotiations were going to blow things up somehow since the GOR is not something a school or conference would attach head on, but if you can destroy a conference so the GOR's breach doesn't get activated and the networks sign off on the moves, then all is good.

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So if Big 10 is taking two maybe one of Kansas and OU ain't going to be dancing with the Big 10.

(07-27-2015 11:42 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 11:26 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  This will force TEXAS to leave the B12 too.

The loss of OU definitely hurts Big 12 football; the loss of KU definitely hurts Big 12 basketball. And, I could see Texas explore a relationship with the ACC.

But, does it really force Texas to leave?

What if Texas gets a long-term deal with OU for the annual OOC Red River Rivalry and the Big 12 cuts back the number of conference games to 8? Why is Texas forced to leave the Big 12?

The Big 12 could backfill with Cincinnati, UCF, BYU and Houston - get a CCG and actually place Texas in a better spot than the status quo - similar schedule, broader media reach for the conference, and easier path to the Big 12 championship.

My thoughts exactly.
This actually could buy Texas some goodwill in the state. THEY are the ones that stay and hold together the poor little conference...buoying up Baylor and Tech and TCU and now Houston too?... It might be nice for them to be the good guys for once.

But...the conference is obviously so weak that it won't last. Texas can position itself for the best offer in 2024 (or whenever the B12 GOR expires)...and then ditch the sinking ship in its own time.

Some have said that the Big 12 will last as long as OU and UT want it too. I think Texas (and some decent teams around it, like Baylor, OkSt, BYU, KState) can keep the Big 12 afloat for another decade on its own.

Yeah, I could see texas band aid the big 12 for few years. I mean you could have a texas division of

Texas
Texas Tech
Houston
SMU
TCU
Baylor

other division is whatever 6 teams stick around + you got a pool of col state, BYU, etc. I don't think texas sticks around long in this league but maybe till the contract expires. I mean if ESPN + fox payoff the big 12 contract, there really aren't damages to anybody with KU and OU leaving + maybe WVU bolts. Lose those 3, add SMU, Houston, Col state, BYU, etc to 12.

Sorry guys, but the networks must have agreed to blow this up as part of the B1G TV negotiations and adjust their expenses/savings to adjust for today's world and new playoff environment.

(07-27-2015 02:55 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 02:47 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 02:39 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  When Texas gives the ok to blow things up, well, things are going to get blown up.

Always had a gut feeling the B1G TV negotiations were going to blow things up somehow since the GOR is not something a school or conference would attach head on, but if you can destroy a conference so the GOR's breach doesn't get activated and the networks sign off on the moves, then all is good.

Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS 40m40 minutes ago
Brian Davis retweeted Greg Welch
All new leadership at Texas now. And the Big 12's breakup is a matter of when, not if, sad to say.
Brian Davis added,

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Cal and ASU

When Kirk Bohls @kbohls Starts saying this who is the real beat writer for the Statesman and Texas I will believe it.

(07-27-2015 02:55 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Maybe its time for the pac 12 to do something. Invites to 8 big 12 school's, probably everybody but baylor and WVU. Form pac 20, sell off pac 12 network to fox/espn.

I have always felt that some day Larry Scott might go back to his original plan for expansion and invite six Big 12 schools....OU, OSU, UT, Tech, KU, KSU.

UT killed it last time. New leadership at UT and the threat of OU and KU to the Big may make then more receptive now.

This is turning into the 2008 financial crash meltdown with the fed picking who mergers with who…in this case espn/fox and splitting up the map. That being the case, anything is possible but it seems like the sharks are around the big 12. My guess is texas might go to the pac 12 but OU probably prefers big 10 or SEC. Could the pac 12 get big enough to make OU welcome, i.e. 18 or 20. In that case, one of fox or espn would be a loser. I could see OU and KU to the big 10 with Texas, texas tech, Ok state and x to the pac 12 with espn getting a share of the pac network. THe SEC would jump to 16 with 2 acc school's and the acc would jump to 16 with wvu, uconn and cincy. In the end you got your 4 leagues of 16 with some big 12 school's getting left out to the AAC.

The new leadership at Texas is from the Pac12. They will head that way.

(07-27-2015 12:05 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Ian Fitzsimmons @Ianfitzespn
Tubs told us he has heard if the Big 12 doesn't expand as David Boren said it should it could be absorbed into the other Power 5 conferences
10:05 AM - 29 Jun 2015

That's what I've been saying all along. The BigXII's going to be absorbed into the other 4 Power conferences. From then, your CCG's become defacto play off Elite 8 games. Added value for the networks AND conferences = winning all around...except for people employed by the BigXII of course.

(07-27-2015 02:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 11:42 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 11:26 AM)SO#1 Wrote:  This will force TEXAS to leave the B12 too.

The loss of OU definitely hurts Big 12 football; the loss of KU definitely hurts Big 12 basketball. And, I could see Texas explore a relationship with the ACC.

But, does it really force Texas to leave?

What if Texas gets a long-term deal with OU for the annual OOC Red River Rivalry and the Big 12 cuts back the number of conference games to 8? Why is Texas forced to leave the Big 12?

The Big 12 could backfill with Cincinnati, UCF, BYU and Houston - get a CCG and actually place Texas in a better spot than the status quo - similar schedule, broader media reach for the conference, and easier path to the Big 12 championship.

So in that scenario, Texas has 3 choices.
1. Expand by 2 now and keep KU and OU in the Big 12.
2. OU/KU leave. Texas and the Big 12 still have to add 2 members to get back to 10 (best case scenario).
3. OU/KU leave and others schools start find places to land. Texas other than going Indy or staying in a very watered down Big 12, go to the PAC 12 with TTech.

Seems that if Texas doesn't want to go to the PAC, then better get the expansion done right now.

Actually, number one is to expand and turn the Longhorn Network into a Big 12 Network. Boren's beef is not just expansion itself. It has to do with the Longhorns Network as well. Second, Pac 12 already said no to Texas because Texas would not drop the Longhorns Network, and did not want revenue sharing with the likes of Washington State, California, Utah, Colorado and Oregon State.
As it is, the Big 12 or not under a revenue sharing like the other conferences. Texas makes more money in the conference than the other schools.

(07-27-2015 03:13 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 02:55 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Maybe its time for the pac 12 to do something. Invites to 8 big 12 school's, probably everybody but baylor and WVU. Form pac 20, sell off pac 12 network to fox/espn.

I have always felt that some day Larry Scott might go back to his original plan for expansion and invite six Big 12 schools....OU, OSU, UT, Tech, KU, KSU.

UT killed it last time. New leadership at UT and the threat of OU and KU to the Big may make then more receptive now.

I really do not see those 6 going to the PAC. There is too much distance, and fans are belly aching, and are happy that PAC 12 leaders did not add those schools. The fans of these sports teams for colleges rather want new teams for expansion, but closer schools where they can travel easy. I have read fan boards for the PAC 12 on other sites where Huskey's and Cougars fans really want schools like UNR, Boise State, Fresno State, Utah and San Diego State. They got one of their wishes, but you got to wonder why these people in charge of the conferences don't do what the fans want them to do? You might also get into a case of anti-trust suits slapped against NCAA, the conferences and so forth not including schools like Boise State and so forth. I think ESPN had it correct on thinking schools that are in states like Nevada, Hawaii, New Mexico, North Dakota and Idaho be represented in the P5 conferences to avoid anti-trust lawsuits. These networks could get hit as well if they want to do something like forcing a merger of 2 P5 conferences without adding schools that are not representive.

Texas has made it clear that if they leave the BigXII, it won't be for the PAC. I really don't understand why people keep revisiting that idea.

(07-27-2015 03:40 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Texas has made it clear that if they leave the BigXII, it won't be for the PAC. I really don't understand why people keep revisiting that idea.

Just because of new leadership that is from the Pac 12. We are far away from any moves anyways.

Fair point, I guess.

The fact that Patterson is from the west coast is meaningless in all of this. The President of UT and several trustees have said no to going to the west

(07-27-2015 03:46 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  The fact that Patterson is from the west coast is meaningless in all of this. The President of UT and several trustees have said no to going to the west

Yeah AState is playing USC this year. 10pm kickoff Central time. I can't see Texas wanting to get into that sort of situation. You play a 7pm basketball game, leave the arena at 10pm. Charter is wheels up at midnight (2 am Austin), Land at 5am, back in your dorm at 6am. No thanks.

Bowlsby is from Stanford and worked on the Pac12 network deal with Larry Scott. I don't think he is like Delany who wanted control over who Universities hire so I don't think Patterson's hiring has anything to do with this.