everyone on here debates like they are all deserving of p5 invites when the truth is every team not byu is not deserving a p5 invite ..and byu comes with way too much baggage

ps this is all in comparison to the p5 teams that would be desirable for expansion..take no insult

--to small of a national brand: ecu, ucf, usf
--to small a fanbase: tulane, cincy & houston
--dreadful athletic resume: memphis, tulane, usf,
--horrible academic rep & no market in western state: boise

the big 12 will expand (or collapse), its an inevitability over the next 10 years..if the big 12 struggles because of numbers they will expand, if the big 12 is successful because of 10 the other 4 p5 will lobby they have an unfair advantage .

imagine its a race..i think many of us debate like the race is over and we are debating who finished first (i have this and i have that)...when its still early in the race and the race is still going on. yes, some teams are ahead of others but things can change, what your lead is now means nothing if you dont cross the finish line first.

i think in the next 4 to 5 years the big 12 will expand on what happens not what you currently have

in my opinion these teams need to be regular top 25 teams and a couple conference championships and win just 1 access and they are in:

-cincy
-usf
-tulane
(the last 2 arent typos)

these teams need compelling arguments (aka tcu type 2-3 year run as a top 10 team) and they are in...
-ucf (only been a national known brand for 2 years)
-houston (already in texas)
-Colorado state (dont want to go west)
-memphis (horrible football reputation that could hurt the big 12)
-new mexico (west, horrible at all sports)

these teams need a compelling argument (like tcu) but extremely unlikey at 12, but would push the possibility of expanding to 14 with them as the 13/14 member

-uconn (after 2 other eastern teams are added so not on island)
-ecu
- smu (if one of the first 2 isnt houston)

i know im about to get attacked because someone doesn't understand this. i don't think usf or tulane are top 3 teams likely for expaantion, i actually dont think they have a realistic shot...i also dont think they have a better shot than houston or ucf or byu or whoever.. ucf's road to a compelling argument is alot shorter than usf's to being a somewhat regular top 25 team who wins an access bowl, same for tulane.
why usf, they were recently a power team, and are in florida. why tulane, location, history and academics

byu: doesnt control is own destiny but sits atop the ladder, 1) wait and do nothing. if the big 12 cant wait anymore after a few years and cant be picky they will get picked ....2) become a decent 25 team while no one else is stepping up 3) make a compelling argument and hope no one else is

boise: to me has no chance at all outside of somehow making the national championship.. to me they are just playing the spoiler role ...boise to the big 12 only happens if Texas and Oklahoma leave

i think cincy is ahead and controls it own destiny (which is why i never get why so many uc fans complain about the aac)..you win enough games you are out, if you are stuck in the aac long-term it is likely your own fault

every big 12 team in favor of expansion's reason for it is competition ..not money or network or expanding to new martkets, some of the people have even hinted they would like to get a&m and nebraska back (not happening)...many have pointed to the tcu model...many others have point to the road to national title..they wont add anyone that will hurt their perception or actually make it harder for them to make a playoff SOS wise

What's your criteria for USF being an easy add?

What if the BXII only decided to add public schools?

What if they only want to add FCS schools?

I think Memphis has made it clear that we know where our weaknesses are, and we're fixing them.

Great points. I do think Cinci (with their recent reno's and planned overhaul of the Bball facility) have really brought themselves close to BYU. I mean they basically sell out almost every FBall/Bball game and are the only school to perform consistently well in the two sports that matter.

I just don't know how USF is at all different from UCF, which frankly sort of hurts both.

Glad you can appreciate how presidents/admins from the B12 would like to add Tulane, glad you also recognize that our admin will most likely never do what's necessary to get us there.

Memphis really has tons of potential if they can keep Fuente and crack Tier I.

(07-23-2015 02:05 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  What if they only want to add FCS schools?

good for at least 18 pages

I would say there is an 80% chance its BYU and Cincy when teams are taken. The real question is how the AAC responds.

Nope ---- 85% chance it's Cincinnati and Memphis.

(07-23-2015 02:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Nope ---- 85% chance it's Cincinnati and Memphis.

HAHAHA

Guess us and Tulsa are screwed

(07-23-2015 02:06 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I think Memphis has made it clear that we know where our weaknesses are, and we're fixing them.

Memphis is the only UR/Tier 4 school in the AAC, may want to start there.

(07-23-2015 02:00 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  What's your criteria for USF being an easy add?

im guessing you didnt read the full things...usf is not an easy add and unlikely....
but if they magically became a regular top 25 and won an access, yes, they would jump some people on the list....unfortunately that is not happening if we are talking realistic in the time frame when everyone expects expansion to happen

and why
history of being a p5 in recent years, and are in florida recruiting grounds, in which it has influence on the recruits

My guess is the B12 makes the playoff in 2015 and then declares (again) that they are happy at 10.

(07-23-2015 02:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:06 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I think Memphis has made it clear that we know where our weaknesses are, and we're fixing them.

Memphis is the only UR/Tier 4 school in the AAC, may want to start there.

We are. I'm on my mobile, so it's tough for my to provide links to all the facilities Memphis is building for academic research...but it's a major part of Dr Rudds focus.

(07-23-2015 02:13 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  Guess us and Tulsa are screwed

which ever 2 the big 12 take, the aac will still be a strong league....so not screwed

but as far as p5, i was going to add temple to the third list but even if you won, i doubt your financial situation, stadium situation and distance would be that attractive with all things added up and other options available

(07-23-2015 02:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:06 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I think Memphis has made it clear that we know where our weaknesses are, and we're fixing them.

Memphis is the only UR/Tier 4 school in the AAC, may want to start there.

ECU? Not stirring the pot, just sayin...also saw ECU is 60% female, life must be good for the gentlemen.

(07-23-2015 02:18 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:06 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I think Memphis has made it clear that we know where our weaknesses are, and we're fixing them.

Memphis is the only UR/Tier 4 school in the AAC, may want to start there.

We are. I'm on my mobile, so it's tough for my to provide links to all the facilities Memphis is building for academic research...but it's a major part of Dr Rudds focus.

Fair enough, as long as they're aware. Your endowment is an outlier, as well. Need to quadruple it to get in the same ball park as Houston and Cincy.

(07-23-2015 02:22 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:06 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I think Memphis has made it clear that we know where our weaknesses are, and we're fixing them.

Memphis is the only UR/Tier 4 school in the AAC, may want to start there.

ECU? Not stirring the pot, just sayin...

i hate how this conversation took this road

(07-23-2015 02:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:22 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-23-2015 02:06 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I think Memphis has made it clear that we know where our weaknesses are, and we're fixing them.

Memphis is the only UR/Tier 4 school in the AAC, may want to start there.

ECU? Not stirring the pot, just sayin...

i hate how this conversation took this road

It'll end with a pissing match between UCF and ECU fans