Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 7m7 minutes ago
Highest cost of attendance payments in college football so far, according to survey by @JonSolomonCBS


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ge-players


Cincinnati has the highest cost of attendance in the nation for 2015-16

(08-20-2015 01:05 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 7m7 minutes ago
Highest cost of attendance payments in college football so far, according to survey by @JonSolomonCBS

Not to quibble, but I read on a Bill Koch article on gobearcats.com that the total figure for COA costs is $1.1M. I think I like Koch's sources better than Darren Rovell's.

This might be a dumb question but doesn't being on the top of this list help UC? Can't UC tell prospective football recruits that they'll receive the highest stipend in the nation if they attend UC?

(08-20-2015 01:18 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  This might be a dumb question but doesn't being on the top of this list help UC? Can't UC tell prospective football recruits that they'll receive the highest stipend in the nation if they attend UC?

Yup.

And to think -- SMU got the death penalty for doing this in 1987.

(08-20-2015 01:18 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  This might be a dumb question but doesn't being on the top of this list help UC? Can't UC tell prospective football recruits that they'll receive the highest stipend in the nation if they attend UC?

I don't think it will help us out recruit Ohio State, Alabama or the like for a 5 star football recruit, but I do think it can be a factor for a 3-4 star recruit who is considering us or someone like Illinois or Pitt. Basically it is giving us back something that we lost after the Big East football conference blew up.

Call me an AHole or whatever.. but COA is an absolute joke... They could get a small loan to supplement not being able to have a job..... OR get a job in the summer to have this money.. I would argue with my commitments etc in college and still working 30 hours a week, it is definitely doable to provide your own income... call me old fashioned but the NCAA opened up the wild wild west bc they caved to students who wouldn't appreciate the FREE education they were getting.. my nearly 1k a month student loans sure do make a 20k loan over 4 years look alot better... Like I said.. call me an ahole.. but I'd argue to the end that giving more than a free education to people is making these kids even LESS independent and invested in their own education. It sucks making a payment every month that is as much as most mortgages.. but I thank god I had that money in the form of a loan, whether 2, 3, 4, or 5% interest rate to reach my goal of being an engineer, while being in a very active fraternity, attending more athletic events than most athletes did, working 30 hours a week, and still having time to be with my family most weekends. While I wouldn't have borrowed as much(who needs brand new golf clubs as a college sophomore engineer for a COOP job golf outing?).. I still think its a joke that we continue to underestimate the value that is a free education for everyone of these kids...

Your education certainly didn't teach you how to write a legible sentence or make a coherent argument.

(08-20-2015 01:19 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 01:18 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  This might be a dumb question but doesn't being on the top of this list help UC? Can't UC tell prospective football recruits that they'll receive the highest stipend in the nation if they attend UC?

Yup.

And to think -- SMU got the death penalty for doing this in 1987.

It helps unless you are recruiting quality non-athlete students...parents evaluating costs between competing schools may say no thanks to an extra few grand on paper when these numbers are released to Uncle Sam.

That's how we roll....

$3000+ difference between OSU and UC? Makes sense!

Looking at some of the schools that are pretty easily comparable shows how bad some of these schools are manipulating the system.

I really don't think it's going to have a huge effect on recruiting. If it does though, look out for these to skyrocket.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../32062729/

(08-20-2015 03:10 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Your education certainly didn't teach you how to write a legible sentence or make a coherent argument.

I went to school for engineering... not literature...

(08-21-2015 05:25 AM)Ahhhorsepoo Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 03:10 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Your education certainly didn't teach you how to write a legible sentence or make a coherent argument.

I went to school for engineering... not literature...

Perhaps your writing could have been better or perhaps it was fine but I agree that people are under valuing the free education. Many of the athletes under value the education because many are not really being educated nor do they want to be educated. Like you I wanted an education because it allowed me to get a good job and become rich.

Many of the NCAA athletes, especially in revenue sports, want a path of least effort in the classroom. So to them the education has low value.

I took classes with several UC legends such as Ron Bonham, George Wilson, Tony Yates, Red Top Curry, etc. The classes were liberal requirements for my Accounting Degree. None of them were rocket science students.

You don't find many athletes in engineering, CCM or DAAP type programs. The main problem is time. Being a college athlete is practically a full time job. So is being a student in an elite academic program. So the athletes get a free education, but due to their sports' time restraints at most school they get funneled into an "athlete's major" such as criminal justice at UC.

I took engineering classes with Roger McClendon. But Roger could not keep up with both basketball and the engineering curriculum, so he slowly fell behind. I imagine the people in the year behind me saw him in more classes than I did. And Roger was a bright guy, whose parents forced him to value education (I think at least one parent was also an engineer).

(08-21-2015 05:25 AM)Ahhhorsepoo Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 03:10 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Your education certainly didn't teach you how to write a legible sentence or make a coherent argument.

I went to school for engineering... not literature...

FWIW, I understood (and agreed with much of) your post. Must be the engineer in me

That said, if you're going to be in the game, you need to play it.

(08-21-2015 09:28 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  You don't find many athletes in engineering, CCM or DAAP type programs. The main problem is time. Being a college athlete is practically a full time job. So is being a student in an elite academic program. So the athletes get a free education, but due to their sports' time restraints at most school they get funneled into an "athlete's major" such as criminal justice at UC.

I took engineering classes with Roger McClendon. But Roger could not keep up with both basketball and the engineering curriculum, so he slowly fell behind. I imagine the people in the year behind me saw him in more classes than I did. And Roger was a bright guy, whose parents forced him to value education (I think at least one parent was also an engineer).

A couple things...

Since coop is a necessary part of DAAP and engineering, how does an athlete work around that? Seems like that would be an unworkable schedule nightmare.

Secondly, I worked with a very sharp guy who played football at the Air Force Academy. His take is that work life is a breeze compared to simultaneously playing football and taking classes at the Academy. Point is, the education is worth something - no, it is worth a LOT - and playing sports and taking classes isn't supposed to be easy.

Presumably, if one is successful at both completion of athletics and academics, they should have a ticket to a nice career once they leave their university.

(08-21-2015 10:07 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 09:28 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  You don't find many athletes in engineering, CCM or DAAP type programs. The main problem is time. Being a college athlete is practically a full time job. So is being a student in an elite academic program. So the athletes get a free education, but due to their sports' time restraints at most school they get funneled into an "athlete's major" such as criminal justice at UC.

I took engineering classes with Roger McClendon. But Roger could not keep up with both basketball and the engineering curriculum, so he slowly fell behind. I imagine the people in the year behind me saw him in more classes than I did. And Roger was a bright guy, whose parents forced him to value education (I think at least one parent was also an engineer).

A couple things...

Since coop is a necessary part of DAAP and engineering, how does an athlete work around that? Seems like that would be an unworkable schedule nightmare.

Secondly, I worked with a very sharp guy who played football at the Air Force Academy. His take is that work life is a breeze compared to simultaneously playing football and taking classes at the Academy. Point is, the education is worth something - no, it is worth a LOT - and playing sports and taking classes isn't supposed to be easy.

Presumably, if one is successful at both completion of athletics and academics, they should have a ticket to a nice career once they leave their university.

I graduated DAAP in 89'. Never did coop. Worked part time during school, full time in summer, in National Guard the entire time. Nobody ever asked me about coop, that I can recall.

(08-21-2015 10:13 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:07 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 09:28 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  You don't find many athletes in engineering, CCM or DAAP type programs. The main problem is time. Being a college athlete is practically a full time job. So is being a student in an elite academic program. So the athletes get a free education, but due to their sports' time restraints at most school they get funneled into an "athlete's major" such as criminal justice at UC.

I took engineering classes with Roger McClendon. But Roger could not keep up with both basketball and the engineering curriculum, so he slowly fell behind. I imagine the people in the year behind me saw him in more classes than I did. And Roger was a bright guy, whose parents forced him to value education (I think at least one parent was also an engineer).

A couple things...

Since coop is a necessary part of DAAP and engineering, how does an athlete work around that? Seems like that would be an unworkable schedule nightmare.

Secondly, I worked with a very sharp guy who played football at the Air Force Academy. His take is that work life is a breeze compared to simultaneously playing football and taking classes at the Academy. Point is, the education is worth something - no, it is worth a LOT - and playing sports and taking classes isn't supposed to be easy.

Presumably, if one is successful at both completion of athletics and academics, they should have a ticket to a nice career once they leave their university.

I graduated DAAP in 89'. Never did coop. Worked part time during school, full time in summer, in National Guard the entire time. Nobody ever asked me about coop, that I can recall.

Hmmm...I always thought it was a requirement. I guess not.

You can use the football aspect of your college experience to an advantage as well. For instance, if you were to apply to medical school, they would obviously look at all the main things like GPA, MCAT, Extra-Curriculars, etc. And while football doesn't directly pertain to medicine, it does show that a student is capable of handling a tough schedule. Which can only play to one's advantage. I'm sure many other employers would understand that as well.

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The full time job argument doesn't fly for me..

Most quarters I was between 18 and 21 credit hours.. I had a 1/2 time to 75% of the time job(20-30 hours a week).. was involved with an honorary fraternity which took up a TON of time(another 5-10 hours a week during non peak season, and 15-20 hours a week during winter quarter), I was also involved with a student organization that took up another 10-20 hours a week, or more every week(some times our whole weekend was spoken for)... and oh yeah I commuted everyday to and from Mason.. there were a few times I'd get home at 5 am to take an hour nap.. take a shower then hit up my 8am Calc 3 class..(every engineer knows this is a make or break class too)

Doss is speaking truth.. the real issue is many kids don't value the education because they don't think it is really what they are there for..

I am not saying it is easy... but there have been plenty of people who have been involved in MAJOR degree programs, and had massive success on the field... Suh got his engineering degree at Nebraska, Krenzel got his neuroscience degree at Blowhio State, and we had 2 UC football players in some of my engineering Classes as well... It can be done..

Either way.. I cant stress enough how much I disagree with this decision to pay players while they are in school... now a bonus when leaving school based on team performance etc... different story..