(07-09-2015 11:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:01 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 07:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For what it's worth (and I won't be drawn into a debate on this):

there is a medical research university that shares the same name as Baylor and does quite a bit of Life Sciences research. Ranked #37 overall, in FY13.

Baylor itself is quite low in research, not significantly better than TCU.

Correct, the Baylor College of Medicine was split from Baylor University in 1969. However, as recently as 2010 Baylor University has met with BCM about merging the two back together.

In response to an effort by Rice to merge with them. Both efforts died out.

Very interesting. Thanks guys!


While I certainly have nothing against a main campus university combining operations with a separate medical/research campus, I don't think that the medical/research campus's researching spending should be allowed to count as research spending for the main campus.

That's my opinion. If the research isn't being done on the main campus, then it shouldn't count for the main campus.


For example, there is a ton of medical research done by the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. So much so, that the U of MN decided to open a separate medical/research campus in Rochester (called UM - Rochester) to compete with them, down there. So, any research spending on the Rochester campus should not (and I'm pretty sure will not) count as research spending for the U of MN (main campus).

Likewise with UC San Francisco not counting for Cal, UAB not counting for Alabama, etc.

(07-09-2015 08:56 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  TCU is starting a medical school. First class begins in 2018. However, I think that mean very little about what conference TCU will or will not be in after the GOR expires in 2024. Being a valuable athletic department will.

A college of medicine doesn't necessarily translate into increased research.

It depends if the focus of the college is going to be training clinicians, ie health care providers (in broadest terms possible) rather than science (or both).

(07-06-2015 10:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love that Kansas's elite, prominent basketball is what makes them a shoe-in for any P5 conference. Meanwhile, no one wants UCONN because basketball doesn't matter.

#Hypocrites

#Geography

Because the B1G has shown, by their recent additions of Rutgers and Maryland, that they are much more interested in smaller, Midwestern markets like Kansas City than they are for the larger, East Coast markets like Hartford and New York City.

(07-09-2015 02:47 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love that Kansas's elite, prominent basketball is what makes them a shoe-in for any P5 conference. Meanwhile, no one wants UCONN because basketball doesn't matter.

#Hypocrites

#Geography

Because the B1G has shown, by their recent additions of Rutgers and Maryland, that they are much more interested in smaller, Midwestern markets like Kansas City than they are for the larger, East Coast markets like Hartford and New York City.

By your thought process, Maryland and Rutgers shouldn't have been invited because the previous invitation was a smaller Midwestern market.....named Nebraska. Before that was Penn State.

So if you are going to truthfully go about looking at the entire history of Big Ten expansion, it actually makes sense that it would be Kansas and Oklahoma because its been East, West, East and then West again if the pattern continues.

(07-09-2015 01:37 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:01 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 07:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For what it's worth (and I won't be drawn into a debate on this):

there is a medical research university that shares the same name as Baylor and does quite a bit of Life Sciences research. Ranked #37 overall, in FY13.

Baylor itself is quite low in research, not significantly better than TCU.

Correct, the Baylor College of Medicine was split from Baylor University in 1969. However, as recently as 2010 Baylor University has met with BCM about merging the two back together.

In response to an effort by Rice to merge with them. Both efforts died out.

Very interesting. Thanks guys!


While I certainly have nothing against a main campus university combining operations with a separate medical/research campus, I don't think that the medical/research campus's researching spending should be allowed to count as research spending for the main campus.

That's my opinion. If the research isn't being done on the main campus, then it shouldn't count for the main campus.


For example, there is a ton of medical research done by the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. So much so, that the U of MN decided to open a separate medical/research campus in Rochester (called UM - Rochester) to compete with them, down there. So, any research spending on the Rochester campus should not (and I'm pretty sure will not) count as research spending for the U of MN (main campus).

Likewise with UC San Francisco not counting for Cal, UAB not counting for Alabama, etc.

UAB medical does count for UAB. UAB ranks pretty highly in various rankings that consider research like ARWU. They're top 300. Alabama is unranked.

(07-09-2015 06:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 01:37 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 11:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 10:01 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 07:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For what it's worth (and I won't be drawn into a debate on this):

there is a medical research university that shares the same name as Baylor and does quite a bit of Life Sciences research. Ranked #37 overall, in FY13.

Baylor itself is quite low in research, not significantly better than TCU.

Correct, the Baylor College of Medicine was split from Baylor University in 1969. However, as recently as 2010 Baylor University has met with BCM about merging the two back together.

In response to an effort by Rice to merge with them. Both efforts died out.

Very interesting. Thanks guys!


While I certainly have nothing against a main campus university combining operations with a separate medical/research campus, I don't think that the medical/research campus's researching spending should be allowed to count as research spending for the main campus.

That's my opinion. If the research isn't being done on the main campus, then it shouldn't count for the main campus.


For example, there is a ton of medical research done by the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. So much so, that the U of MN decided to open a separate medical/research campus in Rochester (called UM - Rochester) to compete with them, down there. So, any research spending on the Rochester campus should not (and I'm pretty sure will not) count as research spending for the U of MN (main campus).

Likewise with UC San Francisco not counting for Cal, UAB not counting for Alabama, etc.

UAB medical does count for UAB. UAB ranks pretty highly in various rankings that consider research like ARWU. They're top 300. Alabama is unranked.

I know these things.

My point was that UAB does not count for Alabama.

Likewise, in my opinion, the Health Science campus in Oklahoma City shouldn't be allowed to count for OU. Etc.