(07-01-2015 04:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Okielite, why does it matter if you on campus or 1 block off of campus?
Who lives on campus after year 1?

He's a troll, that's why. Enjoy that Nebraska winter OkieLite. I'll be playing golf and watching my Sooners kick your Poke's (OU's little brother) heads in.

(07-01-2015 03:56 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:21 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:05 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:10 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 11:55 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You're completely ignorant about UCF and I don't mean that as an insult but rather factually. If you consider UCF to be a directional commuter school, while most on this board who are informed do not, then you are mistaken.

Here's something to help you out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University...al_Florida

Consider it what you want, doesn't bother me one bit. I wont' even insult you for seeing things differently than I do. OTOH you decided to tell me I'm ignorant becasue you are butthurt about being known as a directional commuter school. But I don't blame you, if I was desperately running around message boards trying to change the perception of my school to be more desirable for realignment I'd probably act the same way. Seems to be a common theme on this board for schools who want to make the jump to a p-5 conference.

I, like most people, consider UCF to be a directional commuter school. USF is similar. Both are directional by name and have a low % of students living on campus compared to other schools. If you want to pretend that UCF student body is no different than other big flagship schools you can but we all know there is a difference. More students living off campus, more part time students, older student body, etc...

Just a little tidbit. I am a gator through and through. Undergrad at UF and graduate UCF. I have a little more knowledge on both schools. Believe it or not, outside of more casual tshirt fan support for the gators, as well as old money........ The campus life for the students if fairly similar. Also similar percentage of students living on campus.....which is something you used as another determining factor. UCF also has a humongous supply of off campus apartment facilities with resort like amenities that attract thousands of students that are literally across the street. If you combine those across the street apartments, they probably have the most in the country living on or across the street. On campus housing is probably in the 95th percentile of the entire country.

So yes, I've lived through florida's flagship blue blood college and UCF. Not the commuter directional school that you think. You need to leave Oklahoma more often and see other schools before you make flawed assumptions.

LOL. It just keeps getting better. I don't even live in Oklahoma so once again a butthurt insult that has nothing to do with the topic come up. That is by far the most common response on this board I have noticed. Thanks for proving my point and not using any facts to prove your point.

According to Yahoo it's a commuter school
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...107AAbihIO
It started out that way and I'm sure there are still a lot of locals commuting to the school, but UCF (University of Central Florida) has on campus housing for students.
UCF isn't just a commuter school, but a good portion of the student body does treat it that way
Considered to be the second largest commuter school in Florida, next to Disney World, UCF provides students of all ages
Well, here is the deal with UCF. First, its a commuter college in disguise. How can you tell? The school is near Orlando
UCF is a commuter school also by and large, but at least you're near people you know at FAU
Not all UCF ... her largest dislike of commuting to school is the amount of money she has to
The school opened in 1968 as Florida Tech, a commuter school catering mainly to those in the Orlando area
Once known mainly as a small commuter and technology school,

Even the locals acknowledge it.
http://theodysseyonline.com/central-flor...ork/107321
2. Losing the commuter school classification.
After 52 years of existence, UCF is still classified as a commuter school. There's nothing wrong with a "commuter school" classification, but to get a better national reputation and brand, there has to be a way to keep students on campus on the weekends. Although UCF is not a traditional university, it would be nice to not be a considered a commuter school.

So clearly I'm not alone in my thinking. I would insult you here like you did to me but that's not my style. Have a great day.

wow, did you just post something from from answers.com and theoddysey to back up your point?

Ok, you just got an F in whatever point you are arguing.

It, along with all the other quotes, demonstrates the fact that many people consider UCF to be a commuter school. But at this point it really doesn't matter. Obviously this has hurt a bunch of peoples feelings which was not my intent.

I guess nobody really wants to be known as a commuter or directional school so it makes people extra sensitive when being labeled with those words. I can understand that. But it is going to take more than message boards to break those stereotypes.

(07-01-2015 04:36 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 04:27 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:52 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 02:29 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 02:02 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Okie, i'm a born/raised Okie myself. OU graduate and lifelong fan. I went to UCF for my master's degree, after serving in the Navy for 10 years. I've lived in Orlando for almost 20 years now, and I can tell you that UCF is no commuter school. You're welcome to come on down and visit UCF. I've spent time in Stillwater. My best friend played for OSU. No disrespect, I liked Stillwater/OSU, but it doesn't hold a candle to Orlando/UCF. Not even in the same league. Do some research before you throw titles out there about a school you know nothing about. On the other hand, I know quite a bit about OSU. Minus what T. Boone donated, there isn't all that much.

Another perfect example of a butthurt post. Claim I'm wrong but not use any facts then insult the poster/school/or conference that has nothing to do with the discussion. Thanks for proving my point!

Funny how no UCF fans use facts. Post up some data about the student body. % living on campus. Average age. % of part time students. Etc.. That would probably mean more than you saying it's not a commuter school. Compare it to FL or FSU and if it is comparable I'll admit I was wrong as long as you admit you are wrong if it's not.

But then again the facts will prove you wrong so you better just stick with the butthurt response.

UCF: Enrollment 59,589
Full Time 71%
Part Time 29%
79% 24 years old and under
Graduation Rate 70%
Acceptance rate to undergrad 50%
Loan Default rate 5.4%
Student housing 18%
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...udent-life
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=...3#fedloans


Okie State: Enrollment 26073
Full Time 86%
Part Time 14%
87% 24 and under
Graduation Rate 61%
Acceptance rate to undergrad 75%
Loan Default 8.0%
Student Housing 45%
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...udent-life
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=...8#fedloans

When you factor in the sheer size of the school and student population, there is no way shape or form for any university to house a higher number of students than it already does. Pretty much have the same amount living ON campus as Okie State. Similiar amount of on campus students as UF in gainesville.

You must remember something, the population of the Orlando metropolitan area is bordering the population of the entire state of Oklahoma, so it would make sense for the only public university in the MSA to have a large enrollment size. Everything is relative.

Just a sample of the "Off Campus" living and why students stay off campus
http://plazaonuniversity.com/
http://www.northgatelakes.com/
http://www.universityhouse.com/UH-centralflorida/

These are lined up and down across the street from UCF. Actually, a much larger selection than my days in Gainesville, and I'm sure in Stillwater.

Thanks for the info. I think it shows exactly what I expected. 18% vs 45% students on campus and the full time % of 71% vs 86% and a higher age average.

Was it the 43,000 fulltime UCF students vs 22,000 fulltime Okie State students?
Or maybe it was the 47,000 under 24 year olds at UCF vs the 22,000 at Okie State?
Well....... couldn't be those stats since they went over your head.
Possibly the 10,700 on campus students at UCF vs the 11,732 at okie state?
Maybe the thousands more that live across the street in glorified dorm apartments at UCF vs.....well..... none at Okie state?

Was it that? Help me out here? It has been a while since I taught a remedial statistics class......so I apologize in advance.

I love the spin. Sine you like to use enrollment as a positive what about using attendance as a % of enrollment. I can spin numbers just like you can. How many power conference schools have attendance below enrollment?

Ouch.

(07-01-2015 04:42 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 04:36 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 04:27 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:52 PM)otown Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 02:29 PM)Okielite Wrote:  Another perfect example of a butthurt post. Claim I'm wrong but not use any facts then insult the poster/school/or conference that has nothing to do with the discussion. Thanks for proving my point!

Funny how no UCF fans use facts. Post up some data about the student body. % living on campus. Average age. % of part time students. Etc.. That would probably mean more than you saying it's not a commuter school. Compare it to FL or FSU and if it is comparable I'll admit I was wrong as long as you admit you are wrong if it's not.

But then again the facts will prove you wrong so you better just stick with the butthurt response.

UCF: Enrollment 59,589
Full Time 71%
Part Time 29%
79% 24 years old and under
Graduation Rate 70%
Acceptance rate to undergrad 50%
Loan Default rate 5.4%
Student housing 18%
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...udent-life
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=...3#fedloans


Okie State: Enrollment 26073
Full Time 86%
Part Time 14%
87% 24 and under
Graduation Rate 61%
Acceptance rate to undergrad 75%
Loan Default 8.0%
Student Housing 45%
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...udent-life
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=...8#fedloans

When you factor in the sheer size of the school and student population, there is no way shape or form for any university to house a higher number of students than it already does. Pretty much have the same amount living ON campus as Okie State. Similiar amount of on campus students as UF in gainesville.

You must remember something, the population of the Orlando metropolitan area is bordering the population of the entire state of Oklahoma, so it would make sense for the only public university in the MSA to have a large enrollment size. Everything is relative.

Just a sample of the "Off Campus" living and why students stay off campus
http://plazaonuniversity.com/
http://www.northgatelakes.com/
http://www.universityhouse.com/UH-centralflorida/

These are lined up and down across the street from UCF. Actually, a much larger selection than my days in Gainesville, and I'm sure in Stillwater.

Thanks for the info. I think it shows exactly what I expected. 18% vs 45% students on campus and the full time % of 71% vs 86% and a higher age average.

Was it the 43,000 fulltime UCF students vs 22,000 fulltime Okie State students?
Or maybe it was the 47,000 under 24 year olds at UCF vs the 22,000 at Okie State?
Well....... couldn't be those stats since they went over your head.
Possibly the 10,700 on campus students at UCF vs the 11,732 at okie state?
Maybe the thousands more that live across the street in glorified dorm apartments at UCF vs.....well..... none at Okie state?

Was it that? Help me out here? It has been a while since I taught a remedial statistics class......so I apologize in advance.

I love the spin. Sine you like to use enrollment as a positive what about using attendance as a % of enrollment. I can spin numbers just like you can. How many power conference schools have attendance below enrollment?

Ouch.

Not many P5 schools located in the middle of a huge population center with no other public 4 year university alternatives within a 75 miles radius. By default, you are going to have to satify the working population base of a large MSA with some part time people. Does not change the large young student residential component (On or across the street) that blows past most P5 schools.....yes most P5 schools.

At this point, you are making a fool of yourself. Please stop. You come on here spouting your own unfounded biased diatribes you believe and then when people refute you, you claim they feel sodomized. They give you facts and statistics, and you pick and chose what you want to fulfill your elementary understanding of statistics. Then when all else fails, you go back to your sodomy insults and ask for more statistics. Its embarrassing.

No longer feel the need to argue with you because clearly, the facts you want are above your level of understanding. Carry on, tell me how "butthurt" this Gator is over UCF being called a directional school. You have already carried on with this song and dance on multiple threads. Maybe you will grow up sometime, but I have my doubts.

This fellow doesn't think Houston is even in the Top 5:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

The more I hear about all these different opinions, writers and AD's...... the more I think the big 12 is going to get ripped apart instead of expand. I'm afraid to say, but the big 12 is the new big east. Only two programs have safe landing spots.....the others.....not so much. After the breakup, the big 12 may have a grasp on the tweener conference role that the AAC was trying to grasp.

(07-01-2015 03:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:00 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If Houston gets into the Big 12, then it's about Texas politicians inserting themselves into the process (whether directly or indirectly by putting pressure on UT, Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor). In that respect, it wouldn't shock me.

If that's true, so be it. Politics got Baylor and Tech in.

That said, Texas politicians have no influence over David Boren. He's the one pushing UH right now. If UH gets in, he'll get as much credit (or more) than Texas politicians.

Oh by the way, with Boren pushing UH, other leagues thinking about getting into Texas by adding UH are now on the clock. This could turn out very well for Houston.

I support the Big XII adding Houston. But I don't think any other P5 is really interested in UH.

It's crazy, right.

But the Pac 12 and Big 10 have vetted Houston. Despite all of our progress, I'm sure both leagues would like to see Houston develop even further both academically and athletically before inviting UH.

But Boren may be speeding up the timeline. And the Big 10 has a TV deal to negotiate.

Don't forget, the Big 10 and Pac 12 currently have no veto power in "autonomy" voting. It takes 3/5 conferences and 60% of the schools to pass anything, and the SEC/ACC/Big 12 currently comprise exactly 3/5 of the conferences and 60% of the schools.

If the Big 12 expands, it makes it even harder for the Big 10/Pac 12 to gain veto power. Particularly if the Big 12 expands by taking a potential Big 10/Pac 12 target such as Houston.

I have long maintained that the Big 10 and Pac 12 will do everything they can to disrupt and destabilize the Big 12 and ACC. In fact, I believe that eventually they would prefer a 3-conference model where they outflank the SEC.

Back to UH, I expect all of this to come to a head within six months. I just hope Tom Herman has a good first season.

(07-01-2015 05:13 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  This fellow doesn't think Houston is even in the Top 5:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

Yipes.

Memphis vs Houston..

Enrollment - UM 21k UH 41k
Endowment - UM 281m UH 716m
Football Facilities - UM off campus 58k capacity 52 year old stadium. UH - on campus 40k capacity brand new stadium. Expandable to 60k
Basketball Facilities - UM - off campus NBA facility. UH - old, on-campus 9k capacity facility
Recent Football History (last 10 years) - UM - 3 winning seasons (highest final ranking 24) UH - 7 winning seasons (highest final ranking - 11)
Recent Basketball History (last 10 years) - UM - 8 NCAA berths, 1 finals, 3 elite eights, 4 sweet sixteens UH - NCAA berths - 1.
Academic Edge - Houston
Market - Houston Metro Area 6.5 Million. Memphis Metro Area - 1.35 Million

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Furthermore, Houston is growing much faster than Memphis.

So Memphis has basketball success. UH wins on just about everything else. And it isn't even close in most metrics.

Memphis doesn't even have an on campus football or basketball facility. That can't be right. Who in the P5 doesn't play football on campus? I have USC, UCLA, and Miami). Who in the P5 doesn't play basketball on campus? Anyone?

(07-01-2015 03:28 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  My coworker who sits next to me who is orginally from Orlando and went to UCF, agrees with UCF being a commuter school. But even if only 50% were commuters that still makes a large resident population bigger than most big universities!

*UCF posters need to chill. This was all brought about by being butthurt about being called directional, then hurling insults as a response back.

Well if your coworker who sits next to you and is originally from Orlando and went to UCF agrees with UCF being a commuter school then that settles it. Did you really just say that? Do you suppose the posters who are supporting their arguments with actual researched facts might have lived in Orlando and graduated from UCF too? So by correcting mistaken assumptions that somehow correlates to being butthurt? I don't know how respond to your logic, other than to simply disagree. If I see one more "butthurt" reference in this thread I'm gonna hurl. Please don't make me hurl. Just for the record "central" has never since the beginning of the world been a "direction." You will kindly notice there is not one insult directed to you in this response.

(07-01-2015 05:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 05:13 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  This fellow doesn't think Houston is even in the Top 5:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

Who in the P5 doesn't play basketball on campus? Anyone?

Louisville, just off the top of my head.

(07-01-2015 05:55 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:28 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  My coworker who sits next to me who is orginally from Orlando and went to UCF, agrees with UCF being a commuter school. But even if only 50% were commuters that still makes a large resident population bigger than most big universities!

*UCF posters need to chill. This was all brought about by being butthurt about being called directional, then hurling insults as a response back.

Well if your coworker who sits next to you and is originally from Orlando and went to UCF agrees with UCF being a commuter school then that settles it. Did you really just say that? Do you suppose the posters who are supporting their arguments with actual researched facts might have lived in Orlando and graduated from UCF too? So by correcting mistaken assumptions that somehow correlates to being butthurt? I don't know how respond to your logic, other than to simply disagree. If I see one more "butthurt" reference in this thread I'm gonna hurl. Please don't make me hurl. Just for the record "central" has never since the beginning of the world been a "direction." You will kindly notice there is not one insult directed to you in this response.

BUTTHURT BUTTHURT BUTTHURT BUTT...HURT!

You don't need to agree or disagree, I've never been to UCF nor care to go, I'm making an observation that this internet argument started with UCF fan/s showing how butthurt they are by being called directional and commuter, that the next reply was to attack another poster's school that had nothing to do w/ the convo.

For as young as UCF and for as short as their sports history, there are ALOT of things in the realm of academics/institution and athletics that your fans/alums/students can hang their hat on and be proud! Why get so riled up with being called commuter or directional? Instead of presenting facts about the great things about the university, instead it makes you look slightly pathetic about being BUTTHURT about something that's irrelevant towards your athletic and academic programs. Own your damn name, its recognizable because of on the field success and off the field because of research! Do you think people have ever heard of University of Central Missouri (real school)!

Never been to UCF but I don't know too many schools on a big population center that isn't a commuter or have a large commuter population, but so what?!? that's okay!

(07-01-2015 05:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 05:13 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  This fellow doesn't think Houston is even in the Top 5:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

Yipes.

Memphis vs Houston..

Enrollment - UM 21k UH 41k
Endowment - UM 281m UH 716m
Football Facilities - UM off campus 58k capacity 52 year old stadium. UH - on campus 40k capacity brand new stadium. Expandable to 60k
Basketball Facilities - UM - off campus NBA facility. UH - old, on-campus 9k capacity facility
Recent Football History (last 10 years) - UM - 3 winning seasons (highest final ranking 24) UH - 7 winning seasons (highest final ranking - 11)
Recent Basketball History (last 10 years) - UM - 8 NCAA berths, 1 finals, 3 elite eights, 4 sweet sixteens UH - NCAA berths - 1.
Academic Edge - Houston
Market - Houston Metro Area 6.5 Million. Memphis Metro Area - 1.35 Million

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Furthermore, Houston is growing much faster than Memphis.

So Memphis has basketball success. UH wins on just about everything else. And it isn't even close in most metrics.

Memphis doesn't even have an on campus football or basketball facility. That can't be right. Who in the P5 doesn't play football on campus? I have USC, UCLA, and Miami). Who in the P5 doesn't play basketball on campus? Anyone?

Pitt doesn't play football on campus.

And Kentucky doesn't play basketball on campus.

(07-01-2015 01:00 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 11:08 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:11 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 09:00 PM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 05:38 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  You should probably look up Memphis' basketball and football recent history. Memphis and Cincinnati are Louisville clones on top of being a 3 way rivalry. It would not be very hard for either to be in the top half of the Big 12 in both sports.

LOL. Maybe you should go look it up since you obviously don't get it. 4-5 Bowl wins is not a history. 3 Bowls in 20 years of being the C-USA is not impressing anyone. The only success was winning a down AAC and winning a mediocre bowl. That means nothing.

Tell me what specific football accomplishments I should be impressed with?
If a school struggles in C-USA and never wins it in 20 years why would you think they will be a top half team in a power conference?

Some of the stuff on this board simply amazes me. Memphis, UNI, etc.. are not getting in the Big 12. Go look at AD budgets, accomplishments, attendance, TV ratings, etc... It doesnt' work.


Memphis towards the end of its' best season in school history got a 0.0 TV rating playing against UConn in a half filled stadium. No thanks.

Memphis has the third highest budget in the AAC at $50 million after Cincy at $59 million and UConn at $71 million and has the 3rd highest budget of any G5 school. Houston is at $40 million.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Not sure what your reference means regarding Memphis going from Cusa to the AAC, but Houston, SMU, UCF, and Memphis all went straight from Cusa to the AAC at the same time in 2013. All those schools "literally just jumped form C-USA to AAC."

And Memphis along with those three other schools, joined the AAC a year before "schools like Tulsa and Tulane got the call", not after.

Football attendance was 33,000 last year, 3rd behind ECU and UCF, and also the 3rd highest of any G5 school. Not sure the significance of the UConn game to you, but Memphis drew 35,000 for a late November game against 2-10 cellar dweller UConn.

As far as basketball goes, Memphis plays in a facility as good if not better than anything in the B12--FedExForum--and since 2010 has ranked 8 nationally for attendance twice and as low as 11 three times and led the AAC last year.

Those no 8 attendance rankings would have placed Memphis no. 1 in the B12.

To those facts, I will add that Memphis:

(1) is in a perfect location for the Big 12, helping bridge the gap in the footprint to WVU, is a fun travel destination easily drivable from most Big 12 schools and offering a NEW rich recruiting ground in the heart of SEC territory.

(2) brings a 60 year old rivalry with Cincinnati (which we lead in football 19-13)

(3) brings a top 5 college football and basketball market
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/...et_fo.html

https://www.udayton.edu/news/articles/20...atings.php

(4) unlike some others, isn't a newbie - has been playing football for over 100 years and owns wins over the likes of Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, BYU, Florida, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, Miami, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Miss State, USC, Tennessee and Virginia Tech. Have finished ranked in the Top 25 twice despite being surrounded by rivals who have (so far) enjoyed the recruiting advantages of superior conference affiliations. Memphis to a "P5" conference will, for those schools, be a nightmare come true.

Memphis may very well be a candidate for the Big12, but let's keep in mind that they couldn't find their way into the Big East so it may be worthwhile to introduce a bit of reality on this thread.

First of all, when citing the 35,000 for the UConn game you conveniently leave out that the game was for the conference championship - so it is actually quite a paltry attendance number.

Memphis may be a Top 5 football market, but I would venture to get that has a little something to do with being surround by 5, yes 5, SEC teams. Memphis used that same argument with the Big East, and promised that they could deliver the Liberty Bowl. Guess what, Memphis still can't get the Liberty Bowl to commit to them in their own city.

And this 60 year rivalry with Cincinnati is so important that Cinci didn't advocate to add them to the Big East, and they have barely played more than 50% of the years cited (and I would venture to guess that is because they were in the same conference).

Just one question genius . If thats true then why was the Liberty Bowl Game associated for years with CUSA ?

(07-01-2015 12:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:56 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:31 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  these threads become so big its hard to comb through it all, but months ago it was mentioned on this board that Oklahoma liked Houston for recruiting, and if there is a divisional split, they'd most likely want Houston as a candidate

I could see Houston brought aboard to please Oklahoma. Why not? Besides Texas, Oklahoma is the one school that could shop itself around. They'd probably be tied to Okie State, but they're still attractive

I have posted that Oklahoma liked Houston because of recruiting. Plus I have also talked about OSU liking Houston for the same reason. Actually I think most of the Big12 schools somewhat feel that way, expecially the Kansas Schools and Iowa State.

It was really the non-Texas schools that pushed TCU.

SIAP but Texas Tech and Oklahoma wanted Louisville.

(07-01-2015 03:00 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 12:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If Houston gets into the Big 12, then it's about Texas politicians inserting themselves into the process (whether directly or indirectly by putting pressure on UT, Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor). In that respect, it wouldn't shock me.

If that's true, so be it. Politics got Baylor and Tech in.

That said, Texas politicians have no influence over David Boren. He's the one pushing UH right now. If UH gets in, he'll get as much credit (or more) than Texas politicians.

Oh by the way, with Boren pushing UH, other leagues thinking about getting into Texas by adding UH are now on the clock. This could turn out very well for Houston.

Politics got Baylor in. Texas wanted Texas Tech and that is the reason Tech got in.

UH doesn't have the political power to get in and Boren is blowing smoke while he makes his exit strategy.

(07-01-2015 05:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 05:13 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  This fellow doesn't think Houston is even in the Top 5:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

Yipes.

Memphis vs Houston..

Enrollment - UM 21k UH 41k
Endowment - UM 281m UH 716m
Football Facilities - UM off campus 58k capacity 52 year old stadium. UH - on campus 40k capacity brand new stadium. Expandable to 60k
Basketball Facilities - UM - off campus NBA facility. UH - old, on-campus 9k capacity facility
Recent Football History (last 10 years) - UM - 3 winning seasons (highest final ranking 24) UH - 7 winning seasons (highest final ranking - 11)
Recent Basketball History (last 10 years) - UM - 8 NCAA berths, 1 finals, 3 elite eights, 4 sweet sixteens UH - NCAA berths - 1.
Academic Edge - Houston
Market - Houston Metro Area 6.5 Million. Memphis Metro Area - 1.35 Million

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Furthermore, Houston is growing much faster than Memphis.

So Memphis has basketball success. UH wins on just about everything else. And it isn't even close in most metrics.

Memphis doesn't even have an on campus football or basketball facility. That can't be right. Who in the P5 doesn't play football on campus? I have USC, UCLA, and Miami). Who in the P5 doesn't play basketball on campus? Anyone?

If you have an alum that is a CEO of a major corporation who donates money to the school like Memphis does? Fred Smith donated money and offered a bounty award for a P5 conference to take Memphis University into a P5 conference.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/bl...aaf,247948

Fed Ex could also sponsor the Big 12 CCG for TV if the Big 12 takes Memphis. That is more money and sponsorship for the Big 12 to have.

(07-01-2015 03:25 PM)UHCougar07 Wrote:  FYI, UH has more beds on campus than any other school in the State of Texas sans Texas A&M. That includes, UT, Tech, Baylor, TCU, SMU, HBU, Rice, UTSA, Texas State, North Texas, Texas Southern, etc.

This is a rather recent development though (last five years). Plus the enrollment at UH is larger than any other school in the Big XII sans UT, just another interesting tidbit for you all.

Beds on campus don't equal fans. Large student population doesn't equal fans.

Tech has the 6 or 7th largest student body in Texas, yet our student body isn't far from A&M in student body support. We put 15-16K students in the Jones which is amazing considering our student body is in the low 30k.

(07-01-2015 05:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 05:13 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  This fellow doesn't think Houston is even in the Top 5:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

Yipes.

Memphis vs Houston..

Enrollment - UM 21k UH 41k
Endowment - UM 281m UH 716m
Football Facilities - UM off campus 58k capacity 52 year old stadium. UH - on campus 40k capacity brand new stadium. Expandable to 60k
Basketball Facilities - UM - off campus NBA facility. UH - old, on-campus 9k capacity facility
Recent Football History (last 10 years) - UM - 3 winning seasons (highest final ranking 24) UH - 7 winning seasons (highest final ranking - 11)
Recent Basketball History (last 10 years) - UM - 8 NCAA berths, 1 finals, 3 elite eights, 4 sweet sixteens UH - NCAA berths - 1.
Academic Edge - Houston
Market - Houston Metro Area 6.5 Million. Memphis Metro Area - 1.35 Million

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Furthermore, Houston is growing much faster than Memphis.

So Memphis has basketball success. UH wins on just about everything else. And it isn't even close in most metrics.

Memphis doesn't even have an on campus football or basketball facility. That can't be right. Who in the P5 doesn't play football on campus? I have USC, UCLA, and Miami). Who in the P5 doesn't play basketball on campus? Anyone?

Yet our football and basketball attendance is higher. I am not here to slam UH but quit acting like there is something wrong with LBS. I have seen games in lots of stadiums and its a great place to see a game. While I am at it how many teams sell out a 19,000 seat basketball arena ? Just stop the UofM is a great school. One more thing a lot of P5 programs do not play on campus not that should matter South Carolina ,USC, Miami, and North Carolnia St. stadium are off campus. Williams Bryce was deeded to SC in 41 but is at the fairgrounds which is what the Liberty Bowl was built on.

(07-01-2015 07:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 05:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 05:13 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  This fellow doesn't think Houston is even in the Top 5:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

Yipes.

Memphis vs Houston..

Enrollment - UM 21k UH 41k
Endowment - UM 281m UH 716m
Football Facilities - UM off campus 58k capacity 52 year old stadium. UH - on campus 40k capacity brand new stadium. Expandable to 60k
Basketball Facilities - UM - off campus NBA facility. UH - old, on-campus 9k capacity facility
Recent Football History (last 10 years) - UM - 3 winning seasons (highest final ranking 24) UH - 7 winning seasons (highest final ranking - 11)
Recent Basketball History (last 10 years) - UM - 8 NCAA berths, 1 finals, 3 elite eights, 4 sweet sixteens UH - NCAA berths - 1.
Academic Edge - Houston
Market - Houston Metro Area 6.5 Million. Memphis Metro Area - 1.35 Million

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Furthermore, Houston is growing much faster than Memphis.

So Memphis has basketball success. UH wins on just about everything else. And it isn't even close in most metrics.

Memphis doesn't even have an on campus football or basketball facility. That can't be right. Who in the P5 doesn't play football on campus? I have USC, UCLA, and Miami). Who in the P5 doesn't play basketball on campus? Anyone?

If you have an alum that is a CEO of a major corporation who donates money to the school like Memphis does? Fred Smith donated money and offered a bounty award for a P5 conference to take Memphis University into a P5 conference.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/bl...aaf,247948

Fed Ex could also sponsor the Big 12 CCG for TV if the Big 12 takes Memphis. That is more money and sponsorship for the Big 12 to have.

The same way the put up money to keep the liberty bowl in the AAC lol