(06-28-2015 12:06 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  ...bronco's right, BYU better get that P5 invite and soon....

Or what? Crawl back to the MWC? Not likely. Join the AAC?

(06-28-2015 12:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What I notice on BYU's schedule is 2 things:

1) Boise State has long grown up to the point where BYU considers them a big time program that is a must to schedule.

2) BYU is sticking it in the eye of Utah by playing only Utah State and building up their program in the process.

I think it's more that Utah doesn't see a need to play BYU anymore.

Quote:3) No CUSA/SBC games on the schedule. Going with a couple of top MAC schools instead because of the TV game potential.

Whoever BYU plays is going to be on ESPN/2/U, or on FS1.

BYU has an agreement with Fox?

Don't you think a school like BYU consults the networks before scheduling?

(06-28-2015 01:16 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BYU has an agreement with Fox?

No, but if BYU played a game @ Rice or Middle Tennessee etc etc, that would be one of the games that FS1 picked up from CUSA that year.

Quote:Don't you think a school like BYU consults the networks before scheduling?

I don't think they need to. The difference between the TV value of a Toledo game vs a Troy game, 4-6 years out, is negligible.

Now, the number of Mormons in Ohio vs Alabama might be something they'd consider in looking at Troy vs Toledo.

(06-28-2015 12:06 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Good for the MAC getting these BYU home games...BUT...i think its fair to say that independence is not going the way BYU had hoped for from a scheduling standpoint. Out of the original 8 MWC (the old guard) schools,only UNLV has scheduled a game. I guess I should count Utah, but even they broke a 100 year straight rivalry with BYU...the P5 home and home wishes for BYU were just that, wishes. ND won't return the 2 BYU games at South Bend. Old WAC mate Arizona won't do a straight H&H...old MWC mate TCU wouldn't either. Nebraska won't return the game...BYU has a lot of 2 for 1's with P5's and some "neutral site" games with P5's, in their respective backyards. I think Wisconsin is a 3 for 1. (anyone?) i could go on and on...bronco's right, BYU better get that P5 invite and soon. Cheers!

Interesting takes.
ND won't return the 2 BYU games at South Bend.
They signed to in 2010 but then they formed the scheduling agreement with the ACC (5 games/season) and so may now end up buying out the games since they don't fit anymore.

Old WAC mate Arizona won't do a straight H&H
In 2013 they signed a H/H/N deal with the neutral game at Univ of Phoenix stadium so technically you are right but its not a 2:1 like you imply. Last year the @ Provo game was moved from 2020 to 2021 to allow BYU to take a Michigan State series. The location was changed to Las Vegas in exchange for messing up Arizona's schedule. They did add a 2026-27 H/H when this change happened.

...old MWC mate TCU wouldn't either.
This game was a neutral site game at Cowboy's Stadium.

Nebraska won't return the game
BYU filled a 1:done opening with hopes of building a relationship since they had never played Nebraska before.

BYU has a lot of 2 for 1's with P5's and some "neutral site" games with P5's, in their respective backyards.
The only true 2 for 1 (not a 1:done then a later scheduled a H/H or neutral site games) I can think of is USC and Stanford to get in opposite Notre Dame who alternates opponents on the road thanksgiving weekend to balance PAC12 scheduling in November. Does that make "lots" when you are scheduling 12 games/season since you have no conference games?

I think Wisconsin is a 3 for 1. (anyone?)
No. Similar to the Nebraska game, BYU filled a 1:done hole in Wisconsin's 2013 schedule. Then in Sep 2013 they announced a H/H series for 2017-18. Later the @ Provo game for 2017 was moved to 2019 but is still @ Provo. http://www.fbschedules.com/2013/09/byu-w...019-provo/

Everyone will spin things to their POV but still...

(06-28-2015 01:19 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  [quote='Kittonhead' pid='12160449' dateline='1435515392']
I don't think they need to. The difference between the TV value of a Toledo game vs a Troy game, 4-6 years out, is negligible.

Now, the number of Mormons in Ohio vs Alabama might be something they'd consider in looking at Troy vs Toledo.

You are wrong about that. The MAC's TV arrangements with ESPN/CBS are a big factor and so is Toledo's consistent performance.

The games are only 2-4 years out BTW.

The roadie at Toledo could be picked up by CBS Sports, If ESPN doesn't have a slot in the schedule for it.

(06-27-2015 02:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 02:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 02:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  BYU has scheduled a 4-game football series with UMass.

So, according to your theory, BYU has deemed independent UMass to be at the same level as the best of the Mountain West and American.

Sure.

UMass is a MAC football school.

"The Cougars and Minutemen will play each year from 2016 through 2019. The first two games — on Oct. 8, 2016, and Nov. 18, 2017 — will take place at LaVell Edwards Stadium. The final two will happen at the New England Patriots' Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Massachusetts, on Nov. 10, 2018, and Nov. 23, 2019."

Oh really? Did the MAC have a change of heart? Is UMass a football member of the MAC in 2016-2019?

Well it's KittonHead, so for now we're a MAC school when it helps his point and not a MAC school when it doesn't.

(06-28-2015 01:28 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 12:06 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Good for the MAC getting these BYU home games...BUT...i think its fair to say that independence is not going the way BYU had hoped for from a scheduling standpoint. Out of the original 8 MWC (the old guard) schools,only UNLV has scheduled a game. I guess I should count Utah, but even they broke a 100 year straight rivalry with BYU...the P5 home and home wishes for BYU were just that, wishes. ND won't return the 2 BYU games at South Bend. Old WAC mate Arizona won't do a straight H&H...old MWC mate TCU wouldn't either. Nebraska won't return the game...BYU has a lot of 2 for 1's with P5's and some "neutral site" games with P5's, in their respective backyards. I think Wisconsin is a 3 for 1. (anyone?) i could go on and on...bronco's right, BYU better get that P5 invite and soon. Cheers!

Interesting takes.
ND won't return the 2 BYU games at South Bend.
They signed to in 2010 but then they formed the scheduling agreement with the ACC (5 games/season) and so may now end up buying out the games since they don't fit anymore.

Old WAC mate Arizona won't do a straight H&H
In 2013 they signed a H/H/N deal with the neutral game at Univ of Phoenix stadium so technically you are right but its not a 2:1 like you imply. Last year the @ Provo game was moved from 2020 to 2021 to allow BYU to take a Michigan State series. The location was changed to Las Vegas in exchange for messing up Arizona's schedule. They did add a 2026-27 H/H when this change happened.

...old MWC mate TCU wouldn't either.
This game was a neutral site game at Cowboy's Stadium.

Nebraska won't return the game
BYU filled a 1:done opening with hopes of building a relationship since they had never played Nebraska before.

BYU has a lot of 2 for 1's with P5's and some "neutral site" games with P5's, in their respective backyards.
The only true 2 for 1 (not a 1:done then a later scheduled a H/H or neutral site games) I can think of is USC and Stanford to get in opposite Notre Dame who alternates opponents on the road thanksgiving weekend to balance PAC12 scheduling in November. Does that make "lots" when you are scheduling 12 games/season since you have no conference games?

I think Wisconsin is a 3 for 1. (anyone?)
No. Similar to the Nebraska game, BYU filled a 1:done hole in Wisconsin's 2013 schedule. Then in Sep 2013 they announced a H/H series for 2017-18. Later the @ Provo game for 2017 was moved to 2019 but is still @ Provo. http://www.fbschedules.com/2013/09/byu-w...019-provo/

Everyone will spin things to their POV but still...

my point of view is pretty unbiased...if that's even possible for anyone to say admittedly. I don't even want them in the AAC (ECU already can get an H&H with them) and ECU wouldn't be in the same division if BYU was in the same conference...so there's that...just an outsider's looking in opinion on an opinion board. What's your POV? Cheers!

(06-28-2015 01:56 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 02:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 02:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 02:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  BYU has scheduled a 4-game football series with UMass.

So, according to your theory, BYU has deemed independent UMass to be at the same level as the best of the Mountain West and American.

Sure.

UMass is a MAC football school.

"The Cougars and Minutemen will play each year from 2016 through 2019. The first two games — on Oct. 8, 2016, and Nov. 18, 2017 — will take place at LaVell Edwards Stadium. The final two will happen at the New England Patriots' Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Massachusetts, on Nov. 10, 2018, and Nov. 23, 2019."

Oh really? Did the MAC have a change of heart? Is UMass a football member of the MAC in 2016-2019?

Well it's KittonHead, so for now we're a MAC school when it helps his point and not a MAC school when it doesn't.

Yes, its dishonest because UMASS wouldn't have gotten the 4 game schedule with BYU if it wasn't for them leaving the MAC for independence...but spin spin away....cheers!

(06-28-2015 01:09 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  [quote='billybobby777' pid='12160267' dateline='1435511168']
...bronco's right, BYU better get that P5 invite and soon....

Or what? Crawl back to the MWC? Not likely. Join the AAC?
Be irrelevant. How does Mendenhall answer your question after he says "we need to be in a P5 conference in 3 years"? I guess your coach says it and its no problem. Why you getting bent out of shape about a random post by a guy with no dog in the hunt?

(06-28-2015 01:28 PM)f1do Wrote:  The only true 2 for 1 (not a 1:done then a later scheduled a H/H or neutral site games) I can think of is USC and Stanford to get in opposite Notre Dame who alternates opponents on the road thanksgiving weekend to balance PAC12 scheduling in November.

USC-BYU is a 2:1 series with the first game in Provo and the last two in LA. Stanford-BYU is 2:2 with the first two at Stanford. http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/byu-cougars.php

(06-28-2015 02:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 01:56 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 02:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 02:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 02:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  BYU has scheduled a 4-game football series with UMass.

So, according to your theory, BYU has deemed independent UMass to be at the same level as the best of the Mountain West and American.

Sure.

UMass is a MAC football school.

"The Cougars and Minutemen will play each year from 2016 through 2019. The first two games — on Oct. 8, 2016, and Nov. 18, 2017 — will take place at LaVell Edwards Stadium. The final two will happen at the New England Patriots' Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Massachusetts, on Nov. 10, 2018, and Nov. 23, 2019."

Oh really? Did the MAC have a change of heart? Is UMass a football member of the MAC in 2016-2019?

Well it's KittonHead, so for now we're a MAC school when it helps his point and not a MAC school when it doesn't.

Yes, its dishonest because UMASS wouldn't have gotten the 4 game schedule with BYU if it wasn't for them leaving the MAC for independence...but spin spin away....cheers!

I totally disagree.

UMass got the 4 game series with BYU on its own merits regardless of conference decision.

Had UMass stayed in the MAC they would probably have gotten a 1 for 1 with BYU as one of the more valuable MAC properties along with Toledo and NIU. Valuable meaning from a market/brand standpoint. Going independent opened the door for more games that is all.

(06-28-2015 02:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 01:28 PM)f1do Wrote:  The only true 2 for 1 (not a 1:done then a later scheduled a H/H or neutral site games) I can think of is USC and Stanford to get in opposite Notre Dame who alternates opponents on the road thanksgiving weekend to balance PAC12 scheduling in November.

USC-BYU is a 2:1 series with the first game in Provo and the last two in LA. Stanford-BYU is 2:2 with the first two at Stanford. http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/byu-cougars.php

Ah...thanks for the clarification.

On the P5 in 3 years comment, Mendenhall clarified what he meant by that at this year's Media Day. He said that is the timeframe where he anticipated another shift in realignment. It has also been said that scheduling is getting better (with lots of work) and the reason they have to get a P5 invitation is that an independent BYU can't compete with P5 conference share of money.

Gotta love those independent schedules that Notre Dame and BYU play/ a nice throwback before mega conferences became the rule of the day.

(06-27-2015 05:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 05:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 04:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 03:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Just more evidence that independence isn't working out the way BYU planned or hoped. It expected to make these kinds of deals with P5 schools but isn't landing nearly enough of them.

I think it's safe to say that home-and-home trips to Toledo and DeKalb were not part of the football independent plan.

How so?

BYU knew they would have to play some G5 competition so why not play Toledo and NIU when it will be selected for ESPN2 or at a minimum CBS Sports.

I mean that BYU expected to be playing the Toledos and NIUs etc 2 for 1 or 1-for-neutral (SMU @ BYU, SMU vs BYU @ Jerryworld) most of the time

Then again, we didn't expect Mizzou to play 1-for-1 at Akron either, so what do we know.

They did?

(06-29-2015 01:46 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 05:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 05:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 04:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 03:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Just more evidence that independence isn't working out the way BYU planned or hoped. It expected to make these kinds of deals with P5 schools but isn't landing nearly enough of them.

I think it's safe to say that home-and-home trips to Toledo and DeKalb were not part of the football independent plan.

How so?

BYU knew they would have to play some G5 competition so why not play Toledo and NIU when it will be selected for ESPN2 or at a minimum CBS Sports.

I mean that BYU expected to be playing the Toledos and NIUs etc 2 for 1 or 1-for-neutral (SMU @ BYU, SMU vs BYU @ Jerryworld) most of the time

Then again, we didn't expect Mizzou to play 1-for-1 at Akron either, so what do we know.

They did?

No, apparently that was @ Toledo.

I think one of the reasons BYU is doing 1 for 1's is that it gives them a chance to reach out rich alumni living near urban centers. With the MWC schedule we would be limited to schmoozing local alumni in the Mountain West region that knew BYU was coming every year. With the current schedule they get to reach out to alumni nationwide in a more personal way.

When BYU played at Virginia a couple of years ago there were multiple fan events, and a festival type of atmosphere. Since they don't come out here very often, most Cougar fans from the DC area made the drive. I am positive there were more alumni willing to donate at that game than our typical road games vs. Wyoming or New Mexico.

I am guessing the game against NIU will bring out the rich Chicago alums in ways that games played at Ft. Collins will not. Probably the reason it is against NIU instead of Georgia St. has been hinted at by the MAC fans - ESPN.