CCU seems to be the new darling with many posters on CSNbbs expressing their hope for an SBC invite. It seems many of these posts are surface level comments lacking depth. There is a upside to CCU being FBS. In the short term, they may be a good fit for the SBC. They'll likely be at their highest FBS level. LU, with's it's challenges and past history, has a greater upside. The reasons have been stated multiple times. It appears we're at a point where any FCS gets an invite, and it's not LU, then that may prime the pump for LU to take another stance other than waiting for the maybe-never-coming FBS invite. LU will not sit by idly waiting when others, less qualified move ahead.

Many of those posters are truly ignorant of what other schools have to offer. EKU is the prime example. Anyone that thinks EKU has any buisness being FBS doesn't know much about the school or the area. There's a few that do their homework, but just like most of society today people jump on the popular names being thrown around.

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I think EKU would do just fine as an FBS team. They'd stink, and lose a lot, unless they were in the Sun Belt, and rely on public funding, and UK fans to fill the seats. They'd have a chance to slowly improve in the SBC. I'm all in with EKU as an FBS member. Great stuff for The GREAT Commonwealth of Kentucky.

The expense of EKU going FBS will fall on the backs of students and tax payers. They'll constantly live in the shadow of UK. They only averaged about 8,000 a game last year.

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Well nothing says that EKU couldn't move up if invited and then move back down if it is too expensive.

Hmm. Maybe that will be Liberty's inroad. Some of the teams that are being talked about and desired by the SBC to move up, might not make it in the long run. Once they move up to FBS and don't make it, they'll move back down to FCS. Maybe then LU will get a chance. But that'll take decades.

Has anyone heard anything new on the possible "college athlete player union"? If it occurs it might change everything. It could separate publics and privates even further. Taxing implication and all.

Here are the private FBS teams now. Baylor, Boston College, BYU, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Rice, SMU, Stanford, Syracuse, TCU, Tulane, Tulsa, USC, Vanderbilt and Wake Forest. Would love to see Liberty added to the list.

A case could be made for an all private FBS conference.

If there was a college athletic player union to develop, I don't think it would affect the P5 private schools much at all. However, the G5 may be affected. Of your list, it breaks down to 12 P5 and 5 G5 (BYU included in the G5). If Liberty found itself in a conference full of those 17 other schools, or at least a conference full of privates, I'd be okay with that but I wouldn't want to be associated with BYU. I wouldn't want to be working to improve a conference that would by association advance their mission. But I have no problem with them athletically.

I would love to be in a conference with BYU! Most of us are not hung up on this idea of "advancing someone's mission by association". And with the way college athletics is changing, academics is becoming less important than your size and fan base. Like it or not TV and money are ruling realignment.

TV and money are ruling realignment but I don't think Liberty should (or will) compromise their beliefs in order to fit into a conference. BYU's mission is a direct opposite of Liberty's mission and as conference mates they would be helping the other further their conflicting agenda. I support BYU's right to their mission and I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to be LDS version of Liberty but that doesn't mean I have to like them or what they do.

BYU would make an excellent school to compete AGAINST, not compete ALONGSIDE. There are a hundred other schools we can find that would be as good as or better than BYU.

(07-12-2015 11:40 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  TV and money are ruling realignment but I don't think Liberty should (or will) compromise their beliefs in order to fit into a conference. BYU's mission is a direct opposite of Liberty's mission and as conference mates they would be helping the other further their conflicting agenda. I support BYU's right to their mission and I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to be LDS version of Liberty but that doesn't mean I have to like them or what they do.

BYU would make an excellent school to compete AGAINST, not compete ALONGSIDE. There are a hundred other schools we can find that would be as good as or better than BYU.

GEandMTS, enlighten me how BYU's mission is a direct opposite of LU and how LU would be helping further their conflicting agenda?

Liberty and most evangelicals consider Mormonism a cult that has fallen away from the teachings of Christ and added the book of Mormon from Joseph Smith as direct revelation from God. From my studies I would conclude that Mormons and Protestants aren't worshiping the same God. I'm in that camp as well.

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(07-12-2015 08:47 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Liberty and most evangelicals consider Mormonism a cult that has fallen away from the teachings of Christ and added the book of Mormon from Joseph Smith as direct revelation from God. From my studies I would conclude that Mormons and Protestants aren't worshiping the same God. I'm in that camp as well.

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Yeah that's pretty much it. Mormons are not Christians in my mind and have a mission of "training champions for the LDS Christ" which conflicts with Liberty's mission.

I know you guys prefer to stay with athletics so please just don't respond or repremand, but as a Christian myself, I would have to ask, "If Jesus were here on earth today in the flesh as he was 2k years ago, would he accept the opportunity to compete on the gridiron with those who have not accepted his teachings, or would he ignore the potential to bring others to accept true salvation?"

Send me a pm if you want this deleted and I will gladly do so. I am only asking you to think about your responses.

why would'nt he. The thing is there is a time and a place for everything. 1 Tim 4:8 explains it best to me. And I by no means am claiming to be a bible guru.

I personally wouldn't have a problem playing in a league with BYU. To not want to be in the same conference with them is the same argument that some on the SB board hold against us.

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(07-13-2015 09:45 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  I know you guys prefer to stay with athletics so please just don't respond or repremand, but as a Christian myself, I would have to ask, "If Jesus were here on earth today in the flesh as he was 2k years ago, would he accept the opportunity to compete on the gridiron with those who have not accepted his teachings, or would he ignore the potential to bring others to accept true salvation?"

Send me a pm if you want this deleted and I will gladly do so. I am only asking you to think about your responses.

Jesus is perfect; me, I'm not even close. I don't know if He would support being a member of an organization that would work to benefit another member who was directly opposed to His Faith by preaching and advancing another religion. He could strike the perfect balance between cooperation and witnessing but I don't put my trust in Liberty (or any individual) to do the same. I can't predict what would happen so I'd choose to not put Liberty in that situation where something may be compromised.

I am not against scheduling a game/match/contest here and there with BYU or another school, nor do I think they should be limited in a capacity to handicap the rules/guidelines against them. I think they should have every opportunity to pursue athletics at the highest level just as any other institution. I share my lack of conference alignment with schools other than BYU, for example, ODU and JMU. I don't want to have to compete over limited local resources between two nearby schools, especially at the G5 level. I think it would be a detriment to Liberty.

I support conferences inviting schools they want to be associated with and having the freedom to invite into their club whoever they want. Is that freedom unfavorable to Liberty? Yeah it sucks right now to be unwanted. But we aren't perfect and need to improve some areas and other avenues can open up to benefit us.

BYU = any liberal State sanctioned U. = most Christian in name only U's. There will be no FBS schools that share the mission or vision that Liberty does. Being in a conference with BYU would be no different than any secular university. It'd be a great opportunity for Liberty to be in any conference... shine a little light in the dark.

I agree with Mike. We should have no qualms with being in any conference with any school. The whole argument over conference fit and association gets overblown on the SBC board. While it's a factor, it's not the overwhelming factor, which is private school with alot of money, a national following, with a whole lot of potential. Ultimately, the athletes and fans at an opposing school could care less about the religious and political views of LU. They just want to beat the piss out of us, as it should be in a game.

My point being, we shouldn't snub our noses towards BYU over their beliefs in the same fashion that the SBC board trolls do at us. We do share most political and moral views with BYU, obviously not religious, so we do have things in common. On top of that, the first and foremost mission of LU has always been evangelism, and we won't win any hearts by refusing to be conference mates with anyone.

My only problem with being in a conference with BYU is that they're in Utah. Obviously, this isn't that big of deal for football as much as it would be for the olympic sports. However, being in a conference with them would be a nice problem to have.

Fair question, BleedingPurple. All we have is Scripture and Jesus certainly had no issues hanging out with the reprobates of His day.

We don't need a holy huddle when it comes to athletics. Let's go play with whoever will line up against us. We just need to maintain our focus and mission in the process.