(06-23-2015 01:49 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  I trust Dr. Hitt didn't just wake up one day and say, "hell, I'll just make George the interim AD, whatevs". I can assure you time, energy, and money have been spent looking into this and that this move is a calculated one. Like another poster just said, these next 6 months will likely be O'Leary's job interview to see if it is a fit. Only time will tell if it is a good move or not. O'Leary certainly has experience working within athletic departments and might I say runs a pretty nice football program for us. Will that translate into him becoming a good Athletic Director? Again, time will tell. Historically, similar situations have shown successes and failures.

I think it's a great experiment. Could be terrible, could be genius. I will say, UCF football as a program, in the media, on the field, in the classroom is a stark difference from what he inherited. If he can bring a fraction of that to other sports, it's a win.

(06-23-2015 03:25 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:22 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Big difference between an AD and a Head Football coach, even if you have staff handling things. If it's an interim is ok, if he slides into it after he stops coaching then not as good. I loved Leroy Selmon but he shouldn't had been an AD.

Wasn't he the AD that took the Bulls from Div I-AA to the Big East in 4 years?!? I'd consider that a miracle worker.

Nope he wasn't. We had a good AD Griffin who laid the work for those moves Selmon was the figure head used to fundraise for the football program. He became AD when Griffin was fired for problems in women's basketball program. While Selmon was a good representative for the school, his lack of NCAA rules, scheduling for all sports etc hurt.
I think the AD is the figure head of your programs, he needs to be a people person dealing with boosters, but also have good connections with other ADs and know NCAA rules to keep the program clean.
I don't think Oleary fits that bill, but if UCF chooses to name him AD fine with me.

Interesting. So you joined CUSA and accepted an invite to a BCS conference with him in charge. Your program peaked pretty much around when he left and you've been in a downward spiral ever since.
Thanks for the insight. I hope GOL is an equal failure and mistake at UCF.

LOL. Believe what you want to believe my friend. Selmon was a great guy and did a lot for the football program at USF, but he was over his head as an AD.
The AD is more than just football as I said earlier, it's about fundraising, it's about hiring quality coaches in ALL sports, it's about making sure your program stays clean.
As I said I don't think Gol is a good fit for AD at UCF, but if that's where he ends more power to him. It's MY opinion.

(06-23-2015 12:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Big difference between an AD and a Head Football coach, even if you have staff handling things. If it's an interim is ok, if he slides into it after he stops coaching then not as good. I loved Leroy Selmon but he shouldn't had been an AD.

Leroy Selmon's personal appeal to the board of trustees is the only reason USF has a football team, so you should probably be ok with him.

(06-23-2015 03:33 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Big difference between an AD and a Head Football coach, even if you have staff handling things. If it's an interim is ok, if he slides into it after he stops coaching then not as good. I loved Leroy Selmon but he shouldn't had been an AD.

Leroy Selmon's personal appeal to the board of trustees is the only reason USF has a football team, so you should probably be ok with him.

Wow, so now UCF fans know exactly what happened in USF athletics and football program.

Listen I have been involved with USF Athletics since 1978, Selmon was a great man and his impact on our program was invaluable. But to say that football wouldn't have happened without him is stretching it.
USF started the drive for football in 1991, Selmon was hired as an Asst. AD under Griffin in 1993. It was Griffin's belief that there was going to be a big split between the schools that had football and those that didn't. Selmon was a great representative in our community to push for football and certainly he was a great fundraiser for the program, but it was Griffin who convinced the BOR that if we didn't start football we would have been left behind like schools like Charlotte,ODU and Georgia State all schools we shared conferences with at one point and didn't jump into football until later.
Selmon didn't get us into CUSA, we were already a member of CUSA for all sports. Selmon became AD in 2001-2004. He was a big part of getting us into big East but there were many others behind him. We didn't reach #2 until 2007 so to say the program went down after him is BS.
And finally there is no way in hell that you can compare Selmon and Gol. Selmon was well liked in our community, he was always pleasant and a people person. A great face for the program. Gol...... Well I'll stop now.

A little history for some UCF fans that think they know about USF Athletics
From Tampa Tribune

"Griffin, USF’s athletic director from 1986-2001, was the biggest driving force behind the establishment of the Bulls’ football program. When others were skeptical or didn’t think it was financially prudent, Griffin methodically put in place the steps to make it happen. USF football, he always thought, wasn’t just a nice addition, it was necessary to keep the athletic program at a high level.

He hired Lee Roy Selmon, the chief fundraiser. He hired Paschal and stood by him in tough times, then was rewarded with two NCAA tournament teams. He hired Ken Eriksen (softball) and Jose Fernandez (women’s basketball), still two of USF’s most successful long-term coaches.

And he hired Leavitt, USF’s football coach from 1995-2009, a force-of-nature workaholic who not only established the program at a lightning-quick rate, he made the Bulls into a national player worthy of major-conference status."

http://tbo.com/sports/colleges/usf-bulls...-20131002/

USF Conferences
Sun Belt 1976-1991
Metro 1991-95
CUSA 1995-2005
Big East 2005-2013
AAC 2013-now

(06-23-2015 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Now's your chance to give yourself a fat raise, George!

and an honorary masters degree

snicker

(06-23-2015 04:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  USF Conferences
Sun Belt 1976-1991
Metro 1991-95
CUSA 1995-2005


Big East 2005-2013
AAC 2013-now

Bolded was USF Basketball Membership...as USF Football (started play in Div I-AA in '97), as CUSA actually delayed USF Football's membership (which I even stated was a mistake at that time) and while USF moved to Div I-A in 2001, didn't allow USF to play CUSA Football till 2003.

(06-23-2015 06:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Now's your chance to give yourself a fat raise, George!

and an honorary masters degree

snicker

Hes probably had one on his resume for a few years now!


I cant even begin to respond to this... its just too easy. I mean... come on. A man who is considered to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football and nows hes probably gonna be the AD. I mean... I just cant. Its just too easy. OMG.

(06-23-2015 03:49 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 03:33 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Big difference between an AD and a Head Football coach, even if you have staff handling things. If it's an interim is ok, if he slides into it after he stops coaching then not as good. I loved Leroy Selmon but he shouldn't had been an AD.

Leroy Selmon's personal appeal to the board of trustees is the only reason USF has a football team, so you should probably be ok with him.

Wow, so now UCF fans know exactly what happened in USF athletics and football program.

Listen I have been involved with USF Athletics since 1978, Selmon was a great man and his impact on our program was invaluable. But to say that football wouldn't have happened without him is stretching it.
USF started the drive for football in 1991, Selmon was hired as an Asst. AD under Griffin in 1993. It was Griffin's belief that there was going to be a big split between the schools that had football and those that didn't. Selmon was a great representative in our community to push for football and certainly he was a great fundraiser for the program, but it was Griffin who convinced the BOR that if we didn't start football we would have been left behind like schools like Charlotte,ODU and Georgia State all schools we shared conferences with at one point and didn't jump into football until later.
Selmon didn't get us into CUSA, we were already a member of CUSA for all sports. Selmon became AD in 2001-2004. He was a big part of getting us into big East but there were many others behind him. We didn't reach #2 until 2007 so to say the program went down after him is BS.
And finally there is no way in hell that you can compare Selmon and Gol. Selmon was well liked in our community, he was always pleasant and a people person. A great face for the program. Gol...... Well I'll stop now.

THis is fantastic. UCF fans acting like they know anything about the early part of the program. I was there for much of that and you couldnt be more correct. Selmon was a great figure head and was the greatest proponent of our school. He carried himself with class and really helped USF create relationships that lead to us getting into the Big East but Griffin was the reason we have a program.

(06-23-2015 08:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 06:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Now's your chance to give yourself a fat raise, George!

and an honorary masters degree

snicker

Hes probably had one on his resume for a few years now!


I cant even begin to respond to this... its just too easy. I mean... come on. A man who is considered to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football and nows hes probably gonna be the AD. I mean... I just cant. Its just too easy. OMG.

Considered by who "to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football"? You? Lol ok. Can you provide evidence that anyone other than jealous usf fans claim this? Lol didn't think so. Sure he's made mistakes but he's built our program to a sustainable place that usf has only dreamed of. You know, like championships and bcs bowl wins? Oh no you actually wouldn't know what that's like. Crawl back to the bottom of the league where you came from

(06-23-2015 09:03 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 06:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Now's your chance to give yourself a fat raise, George!

and an honorary masters degree

snicker

Hes probably had one on his resume for a few years now!


I cant even begin to respond to this... its just too easy. I mean... come on. A man who is considered to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football and nows hes probably gonna be the AD. I mean... I just cant. Its just too easy. OMG.

Considered by who "to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football"? You? Lol ok. Can you provide evidence that anyone other than jealous usf fans claiming this? Lol didn't think so. Sure he's made mistakes but he's built our program to a sustainable place that usf has only dreamed of. You know, like championships and bcs bowl wins? Oh no you actually wouldn't know what that's like. Crawl back to the bottom of the league where you came from

I realize youre one of the biggest UCF homers on here but take five minutes and google Oleary. Start with Notre Dame, go to Georgia Tech and then maybe throw in sanctions (twice), Erick Plancher, Brandon Davis and then Ferraro just for fun.

Every UCF fan will try to make excuses for all of it, but time after time Olearys teams have had either abuse or cheating... sooner or later you just have to stop trying to defend it and realize hes doing it. One or two incidents maybe... but this mine keeps finding problems.

(06-23-2015 07:28 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:40 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  USF Conferences
Sun Belt 1976-1991
Metro 1991-95
CUSA 1995-2005


Big East 2005-2013
AAC 2013-now

Bolded was USF Basketball Membership...as USF Football (started play in Div I-AA in '97), as CUSA actually delayed USF Football's membership (which I even stated was a mistake at that time) and while USF moved to Div I-A in 2001, didn't allow USF to play CUSA Football till 2003.

Correct but there wasn't a doubt we were going to be in CUSA for football. So it wasn't Selmon who got us into CUSA as one of your fellow UCF fans stated

Good choice. Hasnt O' Leary been the AD at alabama, southern cal and ohio state. wasnt he once the interim president of the united nations? he was also the captian of the last apollo mission.

thats what i hear anyway.

ive never seen his full resume.

(06-23-2015 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Good choice. Hasnt O' Leary been the AD at alabama, southern cal and ohio state. wasnt he once the interim president of the united nations? he was also the captian of the last apollo mission.

thats what i hear anyway.

ive never seen his full resume.

When is the last time a team from Memphis beat the team coached by the interim president of the United Nations? Wasn't it during the last Apollo mission?

(06-23-2015 09:13 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:03 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 06:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:21 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Now's your chance to give yourself a fat raise, George!

and an honorary masters degree

snicker

Hes probably had one on his resume for a few years now!


I cant even begin to respond to this... its just too easy. I mean... come on. A man who is considered to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football and nows hes probably gonna be the AD. I mean... I just cant. Its just too easy. OMG.

Considered by who "to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football"? You? Lol ok. Can you provide evidence that anyone other than jealous usf fans claiming this? Lol didn't think so. Sure he's made mistakes but he's built our program to a sustainable place that usf has only dreamed of. You know, like championships and bcs bowl wins? Oh no you actually wouldn't know what that's like. Crawl back to the bottom of the league where you came from

I realize youre one of the biggest UCF homers on here but take five minutes and google Oleary. Start with Notre Dame, go to Georgia Tech and then maybe through in sanction (twice), Erick Plancher, Brandon Davis and then Ferraro just for fun.

Every UCF fan will try to make excuses for all of it, but time after time Olearys teams have had either abuse or cheating... sooner or later you just have to stop trying to defend it and realize hes doing it. One or two incidents maybe... but this mine keeps finding problems.

Take five seconds and Google usf football championships. How many times has Gol been named either national or conference coach of the year? Jelly much?

Well that didn't take long. Keep it classy AAC fans. LOL

(06-23-2015 09:54 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:13 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:03 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 06:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  and an honorary masters degree

snicker

Hes probably had one on his resume for a few years now!


I cant even begin to respond to this... its just too easy. I mean... come on. A man who is considered to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football and nows hes probably gonna be the AD. I mean... I just cant. Its just too easy. OMG.

Considered by who "to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football"? You? Lol ok. Can you provide evidence that anyone other than jealous usf fans claiming this? Lol didn't think so. Sure he's made mistakes but he's built our program to a sustainable place that usf has only dreamed of. You know, like championships and bcs bowl wins? Oh no you actually wouldn't know what that's like. Crawl back to the bottom of the league where you came from

I realize youre one of the biggest UCF homers on here but take five minutes and google Oleary. Start with Notre Dame, go to Georgia Tech and then maybe through in sanction (twice), Erick Plancher, Brandon Davis and then Ferraro just for fun.

Every UCF fan will try to make excuses for all of it, but time after time Olearys teams have had either abuse or cheating... sooner or later you just have to stop trying to defend it and realize hes doing it. One or two incidents maybe... but this mine keeps finding problems.

Take five seconds and Google usf football championships. How many times has Gol been named either national or conference coach of the year? Jelly much?

Unlike UCF and those soulless Lakers fans, I will take a clean program over yours any day any time. I am perfectly fine with never winning a championship as long as I dont have to defend my coach and AD.

Ya see, at USF when one of ours possibly does something wrong, we do the right thing and take care of it. At UCF you can cheat, abuse and kill people and get a raise, an extension and a promotion.

So ya, keep it classy UCF. If the price of your championship is your soul, then you can keep it. I would never want it.

(06-23-2015 09:59 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:54 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:13 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:03 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 08:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Hes probably had one on his resume for a few years now!


I cant even begin to respond to this... its just too easy. I mean... come on. A man who is considered to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football and nows hes probably gonna be the AD. I mean... I just cant. Its just too easy. OMG.

Considered by who "to be one of the least ethical coaches in the history of football"? You? Lol ok. Can you provide evidence that anyone other than jealous usf fans claiming this? Lol didn't think so. Sure he's made mistakes but he's built our program to a sustainable place that usf has only dreamed of. You know, like championships and bcs bowl wins? Oh no you actually wouldn't know what that's like. Crawl back to the bottom of the league where you came from

I realize youre one of the biggest UCF homers on here but take five minutes and google Oleary. Start with Notre Dame, go to Georgia Tech and then maybe through in sanction (twice), Erick Plancher, Brandon Davis and then Ferraro just for fun.

Every UCF fan will try to make excuses for all of it, but time after time Olearys teams have had either abuse or cheating... sooner or later you just have to stop trying to defend it and realize hes doing it. One or two incidents maybe... but this mine keeps finding problems.

Take five seconds and Google usf football championships. How many times has Gol been named either national or conference coach of the year? Jelly much?

Unlike UCF and those soulless Lakers fans, I will take a clean program over yours any day any time. I am perfectly fine with never winning a championship as long as I dont have to defend my coach and AD.

Ya see, at USF when one of ours possibly does something wrong, we do the right thing and take care of it. At UCF you can cheat, abuse and kill people and get a raise, an extension and a promotion.

So ya, keep it classy UCF. If the price of your championship is your soul, then you can keep it. I would never want it.

I knew you would be in here salivating and spewing your crap all over this thread.

The price of a championship is our soul?...give me a freaking break. Over-dramatize much?

Defending O'leary is a position you know you can't win. Even national pundits are commenting. For a school who is STILL on probation for the next two years, choosing this man as your AD to me and many others shows a severe lack of ethics.

Defend however you want, but I am far and away not the only person questioning this. Even UCF homers (which I have many friends who graduated from there) all say this looks bad. Way too much smoke around him for there not to be fire.

You do realize there has been accusations of player abuse at almost everywhere he has gone. Continued and peaked at UCF. Hes a proven liar. Nobody can deny that.

I just dont understand UCFs choice. You actually have a couple well seasoned people who could step into this position and nationally there will be many qualified people to take over the position. You could really land some high profile people from well known schools... instead you go with a man who has a questionable past and a history of abuse. I dont get it.

He's right! This is why GOL must go! #firegol