I am not on either side of this, but Nebraska can't really be a loser because they chose their own fate, and are where they wanted to be. We can speculate what may have happened, but when Colorado left, and they were the only ones, the core of the Big 12 was more or less settled. They then left in a proactive move. Same with A&M, Colorado, Missouri, and Maryland. Rutgers move was not really proactive, as they more or less came along for the ride with Maryland: same for Utah with Colorado(though both are clear winners). the way I see it, when you choose your own fate, and do so of free will in an attempt to better your otherwise solid situation (as opposed to say West Virginia, Pitt,, Syracuse and Louisville who received invitations where the status quo was not an option), I can't call you a loser.

There is a difference between being a loser and being in the optimal position.

(06-23-2015 11:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  They've been a steady 4 loss team for the last 7 years-3 in the Big 12 and 4 in the Big 10.

Whatever conference they're in, there's nothing wrong with Nebraska football that can't be fixed by better coaching and recruiting. Conversely, no conference can make a difference for you when you have a run of mediocre coaching.

(06-23-2015 02:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I am not on either side of this, but Nebraska can't really be a loser because they chose their own fate, and are where they wanted to be. We can speculate what may have happened, but when Colorado left, and they were the only ones, the core of the Big 12 was more or less settled. They then left in a proactive move. Same with A&M, Colorado, Missouri, and Maryland. Rutgers move was not really proactive, as they more or less came along for the ride with Maryland: same for Utah with Colorado(though both are clear winners). the way I see it, when you choose your own fate, and do so of free will in an attempt to better your otherwise solid situation (as opposed to say West Virginia, Pitt,, Syracuse and Louisville who received invitations where the status quo was not an option), I can't call you a loser.

There is a difference between being a loser and being in the optimal position.

Well nobody currently in the P5 is a loser over the last 25 years with the possible exception of Arkansas. The question is whether Nebraska is the next smallest winner. They gain in stability, eventually in continuing conference revenue and in conference prestige. But there have been some negatives as well.

dude Arkansas isn't a loser. Going from the **** can known as the SWC to the SEC- that's nothing but a win. You ask any college football writer that and they would tell you that.

(06-23-2015 10:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah since Osborne retired after 1997, Nebraska has had 2 11+ win seasons- in 99 and 01. Nebraska stopped being a dominating football program long before they left the Big 12. They lost at least 4 games in the last 7 years being in the Big 12.

Nebraska's problems began the moment they hired Steve Pederson as their AD. Pitt recently experienced a similar hit to their football program thanks to Pederson, which is why he's no longer at Pitt.

(06-23-2015 09:18 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 08:46 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nebraska is part of a better conference, period. Of all the Major Conferences, the little 12 supports less sports than any other.

Nebraska football is slowly choking to death in the B1G, and their 25 year home sellout streak is in danger of being interrupted.

Yep. Nebraska made out like a bandit. Getting away from the Big XII was worth losing a dominant football program, I guess.

Choking to death?
God some of you big 12 folks are absolutely terrible with your creative writing attempts.

(06-23-2015 10:06 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Nebraska football was hardly dominant in the 10 years before joining the Big Ten. In those 10 years they were 84-46. Good for #23 in winning percentage, #18 in P5. That's good, but no where near dominant.

Yup. Nebraska is 37-16 since joining the Big Ten, that's a .698 winning percentage, which is better than their .646 winning percentage over their last 10 years in the Big 12.

Stats are completely irrelevant! They are choking, choking damn you!!!

(06-23-2015 11:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 10:06 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Nebraska football was hardly dominant in the 10 years before joining the Big Ten. In those 10 years they were 84-46. Good for #23 in winning percentage, #18 in P5. That's good, but no where near dominant.

Yup. Nebraska is 37-16 since joining the Big Ten, that's a .698 winning percentage, which is better than their .646 winning percentage over their last 10 years in the Big 12.

They've been a steady 4 loss team for the last 7 years-3 in the Big 12 and 4 in the Big 10. They're fading from the national conversation. The decline has been more pronounced since they joined the Big 10 where they are overshadowed by Ohio St., Michigan and Penn St.

Their decline is not necessarily permanent, but 4 years in, hasn't been promising.

They are overshadowed? They were the division champion one year and have been the main competition for the Western division championship every other year. They havnt been overshadowed by either Michigan nor Penn State due to neither of them being relevant. Stop....making....****....up. You guys are just coming off as desperate.

(06-23-2015 07:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They are overshadowed? They were the division champion one year and have been the main competition for the Western division championship every other year. They havnt been overshadowed by either Michigan nor Penn State due to neither of them being relevant. Stop....making....****....up. You guys are just coming off as desperate.

Considering their only competition out west is Wisconsin, that ain't saying much, dude.

(06-23-2015 07:14 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 07:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They are overshadowed? They were the division champion one year and have been the main competition for the Western division championship every other year. They havnt been overshadowed by either Michigan nor Penn State due to neither of them being relevant. Stop....making....****....up. You guys are just coming off as desperate.

Considering their only competition out west is Wisconsin, that ain't saying much, dude.

Says the guy that is the local advocate for the school that doesn't have ANY neighbors in it's current conference.

(06-23-2015 07:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 07:14 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 07:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They are overshadowed? They were the division champion one year and have been the main competition for the Western division championship every other year. They havnt been overshadowed by either Michigan nor Penn State due to neither of them being relevant. Stop....making....****....up. You guys are just coming off as desperate.

Considering their only competition out west is Wisconsin, that ain't saying much, dude.

Says the guy that is the local advocate for the school that doesn't have ANY neighbors in it's current conference.

LOL. There was a good article about this that compared the schedule of Nebraska and WVU after realignment. I'll let you guys decide which one is better. 2014 Schedules.
FAU, McNeese St, Fresno, Miami, Illinois, Michigan ST, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa.
or
Alabama, Towson, Maryland, Oklahoma, Kansas, TX Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas, KSU, ISU.

Nebraska is in a stable wealthy conference but from a fan's perspective it's just terrible. Not to mention the fact that the Huskers rarely ever play in a great recruiting area. Literally once per year. 2015 they play once in FL. 2014 they play once in CA. 2013 once in PA. But they do have lots of crap home games, heck in 2013 they only played 4 road games all year. Clearly they have disconnected themselves from exposure in major recruiting areas like CA, TX, and FL. Most 17 year old kids were in diapers the last time the Huskers were relevant and they have no cool factor like Oregon and Baylor have with their uniforms that get kids attention which when combined with recent success makes those schools much more desireable.

To put this in perspective name the last skill position player who became a star for Nebraska and was a high draft pick? Baylor can rip off a list of highly drafted skill players including RG3 and Bryce Petty. That same time Nebraska was starting t-magic who got progressively worse and was a non factor in the national media. Heck the last time I remember the national media talking about Nebraska was when the young cancer survivor ran for a TD during a spring game. Only player who comes to mind is one of the dirtiest POS in the NFL, SUH. And the recent article about the Husker with a heisman beating his cell mate to death in prison. And hiring a mediocre coach who was not successful in his last job.

Really the only positive for Nebraska fans is playing tOSU and Michigan every 5 years and the series with OU in a couple of years.

And yet, the big 12 got the cold shoulder right out of the College Football Playoff party. Your right though, the big 12 is a much better place for WVU than The Big Ten is for Nebraska.

One more big 12 fan ignoring the present day reality. Nebraska is doing just fine and they play in their region. West Virginia is doing fine, but the big 12 isn't AND West Virginia has zero regional rivals anymore.

Nebraska's top rival in the big 12 left them for Texas's bed, it was time for them to move on when it became clear that the big 12 was breaking up.

(06-23-2015 07:14 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 07:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They are overshadowed? They were the division champion one year and have been the main competition for the Western division championship every other year. They havnt been overshadowed by either Michigan nor Penn State due to neither of them being relevant. Stop....making....****....up. You guys are just coming off as desperate.

Considering their only competition out west is Wisconsin, that ain't saying much, dude.

I think its just another sign what a huge mistake Leaders and Legends were when people have already completely forgotten that Neb and Wisc were in opposite divisions for the first 3 years and east-west divisions only started in 2014.

Neb was battling MSU and Mich in the Legends while Wisc was battling OSU in the Leaders.

Say what you want about east-west divisions, but at least everybody can keep it straight who is in what division.

(06-23-2015 11:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  And yet, the big 12 got the cold shoulder right out of the College Football Playoff party. Your right though, the big 12 is a much better place for WVU than The Big Ten is for Nebraska.

One more big 12 fan ignoring the present day reality. Nebraska is doing just fine and they play in their region. West Virginia is doing fine, but the big 12 isn't AND West Virginia has zero regional rivals anymore.

Nebraska's top rival in the big 12 left them for Texas's bed, it was time for them to move on when it became clear that the big 12 was breaking up.

Nebraska is on a long slow slide into obscurity, and it's all thanks to the B1G. Enjoy it while it lasts.

I realize you think the B1G is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But it's in a part of the nation that's dying economically. Once you reach the top, there's only one direction remaining.

people are idiots if they think the Big Ten is the reason why Nebraska is on the slide to obscurity. They were in that slide already when they were in the Big 12. The last 13 years of the Big 12 they won 11+ games twice. Last 9 years they never won 11 games.

Steve Pederson was the culprit, stever, both at Nebraska and Pitt. Why Pitt hired him still baffles me.

(06-23-2015 11:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  And yet, the big 12 got the cold shoulder right out of the College Football Playoff party. Your right though, the big 12 is a much better place for WVU than The Big Ten is for Nebraska.

One more big 12 fan ignoring the present day reality. Nebraska is doing just fine and they play in their region. West Virginia is doing fine, but the big 12 isn't AND West Virginia has zero regional rivals anymore.

Nebraska's top rival in the big 12 left them for Texas's bed, it was time for them to move on when it became clear that the big 12 was breaking up.

Nebraska was never in the playoff discussion so it really would not matter if they were in the SEC. Nebraska is simply a non factor at this point.

Here is the reality.
Nebraska has no regional rivals unless you count Iowa. The fleet of big red RV's and campers has been grounded with no more easy trips to Ames, Manhattan, Stillwater, Lawrence, CoMo, etc...
Yes you are in a stable conference but you are not a good fit. The only non AAU school in a conference that has an office in NYC.
What does Nebraska really have in common with New Jersey? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

But don't let that stop you from believing it's the 90's and Nebraska actually matters. The reality is that in the last 10 years Nebraska football got passed up by KSU, OSU, TCU, and Baylor. All won their conference and went to BCS games. It's been a long time since Nebraska won their conference or played in a BCS game.

I live in Nebraska and I can tell you that from the fans perspective things are not fine. Fans are pisses about the coaching hire. Just another bad hire leading the program to nowhere. Congrats!

(06-24-2015 09:25 AM)stever20 Wrote:  people are idiots if they think the Big Ten is the reason why Nebraska is on the slide to obscurity. They were in that slide already when they were in the Big 12. The last 13 years of the Big 12 they won 11+ games twice. Last 9 years they never won 11 games.

It's certainly part of the reason fans are disconnected from the program at this point. But you are correct that this started a long time ago. Sometime around 2004 if I remember correctly.

(06-24-2015 09:32 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 11:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  And yet, the big 12 got the cold shoulder right out of the College Football Playoff party. Your right though, the big 12 is a much better place for WVU than The Big Ten is for Nebraska.

One more big 12 fan ignoring the present day reality. Nebraska is doing just fine and they play in their region. West Virginia is doing fine, but the big 12 isn't AND West Virginia has zero regional rivals anymore.

Nebraska's top rival in the big 12 left them for Texas's bed, it was time for them to move on when it became clear that the big 12 was breaking up.

Nebraska was never in the playoff discussion so it really would not matter if they were in the SEC. Nebraska is simply a non factor at this point.

Here is the reality.
Nebraska has no regional rivals unless you count Iowa. The fleet of big red RV's and campers has been grounded with no more easy trips to Ames, Manhattan, Stillwater, Lawrence, CoMo, etc...
Yes you are in a stable conference but you are not a good fit. The only non AAU school in a conference that has an office in NYC.
What does Nebraska really have in common with New Jersey? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

But don't let that stop you from believing it's the 90's and Nebraska actually matters. The reality is that in the last 10 years Nebraska football got passed up by KSU, OSU, TCU, and Baylor. All won their conference and went to BCS games. It's been a long time since Nebraska won their conference or played in a BCS game.

I live in Nebraska and I can tell you that from the fans perspective things are not fine. Fans are pisses about the coaching hire. Just another bad hire leading the program to nowhere. Congrats!

The program seems to be doing just fine in regards to finishes. Is it as strong as Nebraska fans want? Of course not! They are very hard to please and that is a good thing. They weren't expected to be on board for a few years but guess what? You list Stillwater and manhattan as trips they enjoyed? That's amusing, that isn't what Nebraska folks have told me. With Colorado and Missouri looking around, it was obvious that the Big 12 North was imploding and others were being very public in their looking around. Nebraska felt the need to pull the trigger and get the Big Ten invite instead of Missouri.

That was their choice. Why did they make it? Because the big 12 was extremely unstable AND it was a much better conference then than it is now. You are completely dodging the reality of the situation back then when you try to pull all this emotional garbage about fan grumbling about drives and what not. Too bad for them, their old conference was a joke from the moment they allowed Texas to sucker them in. When they lost Oklahoma, they lost their greatest binding tie to the conference. They don't care about Manhattan or Lawrence or Ames or really even Columbia. They cared about Norman, a lot. They lost that years ago so you can keep on flinging that poo around but it's not sticking.

The Nebraska vs Wisconsin match up is becoming a big deal for both sides. Trips to Iowa City, Minneapolis and Madison aren't all that big of a deal considering the distance you are including for such sites as Stillwater in your flawed point. Top that off with Nebraska playing against such longstanding brands as Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and high viewership programs with strong followings such as Wisconsin, Michigan State and even Minnesota. The big 12 no longer stacks up in that regard. It will take time for the hardcore traditionalists of Nebraska to come around but they will, the die has been cast.

In regards to the recent Beltway move by The Big Ten? It helps Nebraska in both sports and other aspects that are actually more important. Nebraska football recruits nation wide, one just has to look at the roster to see that. You will see some Jersey recruits there. I have seen plenty of Jersey folks reactions to Rutgers joining The Big Ten and one of the programs they are most excited about seeing come to town is The Cornhuskers. People in Texas don't care about seeing the Cornhuskers and the big 12 really is just the swc 2.0 anymore.

(06-24-2015 09:19 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 11:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  And yet, the big 12 got the cold shoulder right out of the College Football Playoff party. Your right though, the big 12 is a much better place for WVU than The Big Ten is for Nebraska.

One more big 12 fan ignoring the present day reality. Nebraska is doing just fine and they play in their region. West Virginia is doing fine, but the big 12 isn't AND West Virginia has zero regional rivals anymore.

Nebraska's top rival in the big 12 left them for Texas's bed, it was time for them to move on when it became clear that the big 12 was breaking up.

Nebraska is on a long slow slide into obscurity, and it's all thanks to the B1G. Enjoy it while it lasts.

I realize you think the B1G is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But it's in a part of the nation that's dying economically. Once you reach the top, there's only one direction remaining.

You are so hilariously inept at creative writing. The Big Ten caused the "downslide" of Nebraska? Is this your attempt at throwing? If so, try harder.

I mean, I get it that you are angry. Even Nebraska has some schools close to them in their new conference, West Virginia on the other hand....

The Midwest isn't dying economically. It's actually coming back. Once again though, West Virginia....different story. Never been on top and never will be. Of course you have to make these childish attempts to paint such bleak pictures of other areas of the country. That's what you get though for listening to ignorance and pretending it's the truth.