(06-12-2015 09:22 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 08:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Congress needs to STF up about sports.

When they make the country work efficiently, they can start thinking about other interests. But if they fix sports like they've fixed the economy, we're all screwed.

Yep. Obama and G5 fans--- redistribution of wealth.

Fair enough. Can Tulane start buying players? We would love to upgrade our product and we don't have any interest in taking your money to do it. We have too big of an ego for that.

This isn't about the G5 and the P5.

(06-12-2015 10:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 07:22 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  More waste of taxpayer money.

This

As opposed to the NCAA conducting 8 year long investigations?

I don't pay taxes to the NCAA, do you?

Indirectly yes you do...as much belly aching everyone has over revenues...the NCAA takes a huge amount to run their bureaucracy. That money could flow back to the schools.

(06-12-2015 10:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 07:22 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  More waste of taxpayer money.

This

They'd probably want taxpayer money so they want to get rid of the tax exempt status of universities so they get tax revenue streams from all these collegiate athletic tv deals et. all.

All that really needs to happen, is the NCAA needs to have power of subpoena when it comes to their investigations. That's it. That'd solve a ton of problems.

Someone needs to be in charge of doing whats best for students athletes and institutions. Currently athletics is out of control and is fast becoming a money making enterprise at the expense of all of the above. The ncaa is not the one to do that perhaps govt is.

(06-12-2015 10:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 07:22 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  More waste of taxpayer money.

This

As opposed to the NCAA conducting 8 year long investigations?

I don't pay taxes to the NCAA, do you?

The taxes you pay to the government do go to the colleges and universities for research, Pell Grants and so forth. The public schools like Texas is run by the government. The government can step in and stop what the P5 is doing. Why? It could hurt the other universities in the state. With the size of Texas with population wise? They could fit in a few more P5 schools than 5 to bring in more students into the state's system. I think that is why Texas let UTSA and Texas-Permian Basin to add football. Texas-Tyler and Texas-Rio Grande Valley could get the approval as well. I could see some more FCS schools move up like Lamar and Sam Houston State, and D2 schools like West Texas A&M, Texas A&M-Commerce, Texas A&M-Kingsville, Tarleton State and Midwestern State move to FCS.

Now, we could also she a stop things like the UAT and UAB from happening again. The UAB issue could have helped get this going again.

(06-12-2015 08:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Congress needs to STF up about sports.

When they make the country work efficiently, they can start thinking about other interests. But if they fix sports like they've fixed the economy, we're all screwed.

I don't think it's government's role to make the country work efficiently. I think government needs to step back and let the private sector work efficiently.

"Government isn't the solution to the problem, government IS the problem" ... Ronald Reagan

Yeah, and Reaganomics wrecked the economy so........

(06-13-2015 06:35 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 08:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Congress needs to STF up about sports.

When they make the country work efficiently, they can start thinking about other interests. But if they fix sports like they've fixed the economy, we're all screwed.

I don't think it's government's role to make the country work efficiently. I think government needs to step back and let the private sector work efficiently.

"Government isn't the solution to the problem, government IS the problem" ... Ronald Reagan

I think history has shown that clearly doesn't work, since there always seems to end up a very few people with all the wealth, and everyone else in servitude to them.

And your Ronald Reagan quote proves you clueless about our present economic situation. Ultimately, he is responsible for the nation's lack of industry, middle class, and economic rating. He began the rush of businesses leaving the nation to places where the labor was cheaper, there were no worker safety or environmental protection laws, and politicians are cheaper. This, coupled with the complete irresponsibility of the BU$H family, a family that's been sucking at the nation's teat for a century or more, has bankrupted the country.

Of course, Nixon taking us off the gold standard, which allowed the nation to accumulate debt, bears a good bit of responsibility for our present situation as well. Without Nixon's action, further Presidential incompetence wouldn't have damaged the economy as much as it has.

Keep the non-sports related politics off the sports boards folks. This is not the place to debate socio-economic theory.

(06-13-2015 12:20 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Keep the politics of the sports boards folks.

You really have no conception of what's being discussed here. Do you?

How do you keep politics out of a discussion about Congress taking action against the NCAA?

I'd really love to hear your explanation. I'll bet it's a doozy.

(06-12-2015 05:38 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 07:22 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  More waste of taxpayer money.

This

As opposed to the NCAA conducting 8 year long investigations?

I don't pay taxes to the NCAA, do you?

Indirectly yes you do...as much belly aching everyone has over revenues...the NCAA takes a huge amount to run their bureaucracy. That money could flow back to the schools.

That's simply not true. The NCAA takes in cash, pays its expenses, 30 or so million, and distributes hundreds of millions back to schools. So, yes, the money is flowing back to the schools.

(06-13-2015 12:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:47 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 07:22 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  More waste of taxpayer money.

This

As opposed to the NCAA conducting 8 year long investigations?

I don't pay taxes to the NCAA, do you?

The taxes you pay to the government do go to the colleges and universities for research, Pell Grants and so forth. The public schools like Texas is run by the government. The government can step in and stop what the P5 is doing. Why? It could hurt the other universities in the state. With the size of Texas with population wise? They could fit in a few more P5 schools than 5 to bring in more students into the state's system. I think that is why Texas let UTSA and Texas-Permian Basin to add football. Texas-Tyler and Texas-Rio Grande Valley could get the approval as well. I could see some more FCS schools move up like Lamar and Sam Houston State, and D2 schools like West Texas A&M, Texas A&M-Commerce, Texas A&M-Kingsville, Tarleton State and Midwestern State move to FCS.

Now, we could also she a stop things like the UAT and UAB from happening again. The UAB issue could have helped get this going again.

Those schools do not pay the NCAA, sorry. It's beneficial to a school to be a member. There are dues, yes, but most come out ahead and membership is voluntary.

Also, there is no such thing as UAT.

Why should the government get involved in a system that rewards the program's people care about?

(06-12-2015 09:22 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 08:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Congress needs to STF up about sports.

When they make the country work efficiently, they can start thinking about other interests. But if they fix sports like they've fixed the economy, we're all screwed.

Yep. Obama and G5 fans--- redistribution of wealth.

I see it a little bit differently from that. I see the ncaa (government) being dictated to by the P5 (big business) and the regulations and rules coming out of the ncaa better be to their liking or the ncaa will be history. The regs to their liking will keep big business as big as possible and squash small business as much as possible to avoid ever having any real competition from them. A big business closed society, so to speak.

Sports discussions used to be something along the lines of, "my team can beat the crap out of yours" but now has morphed into "my school is richer than yours". Did you ever have a kid on your block when you were young that used the comeback, "my dad makes more than yours". That's where we are in college sports these days.

I still feel that assigning schedules would be the biggest move towards fairness one could possibly make.

It breaks up over concentration of wealth in certain programs. As a fan of the game and my alma mater, I hate paying a small fortune for ticket when half the games are against nobodies.

It takes the focus off of the game and instead puts it on how well you can schedule and which nobody you can afford to beat.

Also, if it was up to me, every student gets a ticket. After all, the games are for them. When you have extra space you can do with that as you please.

I would think students at una would get free tickets. Is this not true?
or are you speaking of that greedy abomination of a school located in tuscaloosa?

(06-13-2015 12:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I still feel that assigning schedules would be the biggest move towards fairness one could possibly make.

It breaks up over concentration of wealth in certain programs. As a fan of the game and my alma mater, I hate paying a small fortune for ticket when half the games are against nobodies.

It takes the focus off of the game and instead puts it on how well you can schedule and which nobody you can afford to beat.

Also, if it was up to me, every student gets a ticket. After all, the games are for them. When you have extra space you can do with that as you please.

Well, you can split from the NCAA then and sacrifice 1 home game + 2-3 wins per season (which won't hurt Alabama but will crush other P5 schools).

It's not like anything can stop you at this point.

(06-13-2015 05:09 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  I would think students at una would get free tickets. Is this not true?
or are you speaking of that greedy abomination of a school located in tuscaloosa?

Well, bless your poor little heart.

(06-13-2015 12:40 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 09:22 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 08:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Congress needs to STF up about sports.

When they make the country work efficiently, they can start thinking about other interests. But if they fix sports like they've fixed the economy, we're all screwed.

Yep. Obama and G5 fans--- redistribution of wealth.

I see it a little bit differently from that. I see the ncaa (government) being dictated to by the P5 (big business) and the regulations and rules coming out of the ncaa better be to their liking or the ncaa will be history. The regs to their liking will keep big business as big as possible and squash small business as much as possible to avoid ever having any real competition from them. A big business closed society, so to speak.

Sports discussions used to be something along the lines of, "my team can beat the crap out of yours" but now has morphed into "my school is richer than yours". Did you ever have a kid on your block when you were young that used the comeback, "my dad makes more than yours". That's where we are in college sports these days.

How bout congress focus on fans that care about their University in huge numbers instead of focusing on schools with fans who could care less.

G5 fans can make a case with better support. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

Why should the Government care if the fans don't care? Texas has numerous examples of those wanting a handout instead of looking at the core problem--- support.

(06-14-2015 12:01 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 12:40 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 09:22 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 08:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Congress needs to STF up about sports.

When they make the country work efficiently, they can start thinking about other interests. But if they fix sports like they've fixed the economy, we're all screwed.

Yep. Obama and G5 fans--- redistribution of wealth.

I see it a little bit differently from that. I see the ncaa (government) being dictated to by the P5 (big business) and the regulations and rules coming out of the ncaa better be to their liking or the ncaa will be history. The regs to their liking will keep big business as big as possible and squash small business as much as possible to avoid ever having any real competition from them. A big business closed society, so to speak.

Sports discussions used to be something along the lines of, "my team can beat the crap out of yours" but now has morphed into "my school is richer than yours". Did you ever have a kid on your block when you were young that used the comeback, "my dad makes more than yours". That's where we are in college sports these days.

How bout congress focus on fans that care about their University in huge numbers instead of focusing on schools with fans who could care less.

G5 fans can make a case with better support. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

Why should the Government care if the fans don't care? Texas has numerous examples of those wanting a handout instead of looking at the core problem--- support.

There are some P5 schools fans don't support, and many G5 schools fans do support.

I also think you all forget that these universities do get taxpayer funds for pell grants, research and so forth. If the P5 continues to be corrupt? The makers at the state and federal levels could cut the purse strings and refuse to give them any more money. This would be devastating to the AAU schools that are dependent on the money for research. One school that could be facing losing federal funding because of the Title 9 issue is Florida State, and how they handled the Winston's case. With schools like Florida State having players get by with crimes? It would caused the Congress to start looking into these schools and the NCAA closely.