(06-14-2015 01:04 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 07:27 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  As a result of NJIT and NKU moving, there are now 9 conferences with an odd number of teams:

America East (9)
American Athletic (11)
Atlantic Coast (15)
Big South (11)
Big West (9)
Metro Atlantic Athletic (11)
Mid-Eastern Athletic (13)
Southland (13)
Sun Belt (11)

The Mountain West also has 11, except in football where Hawaii gives them 12.

Also the Summit League has 9.

I read that University Hawaii- West Oahu would be adding sports. Football as well once they reached 20,000 students. They sent a letter to the NCAA and D2's conference that have the other schools from Hawaii. Why start sports at the highest level unless they will try to join D1 in 20 years. They would be great for Hawaii to have another school at D1 level.

(06-13-2015 10:34 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 09:44 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I think NJIT is positioning itself well for an eventual move to the NEC or America East. Indie to NEC or AE just wasn't in the cards obviously or it would have happened by now. The Atlantic Sun will give NJIT the opportunity to finally develop its athletic programs, academic reputation, and overall brand with some semblance of stability.

The AE was playing with NJIT.
Thats why NJIT jumped south.

Yeah, I get the feeling once JMU leaves CAA, it benefits AE, and the applicant pool looks more robust and selective than just NJIT. I don't think they got played by AE, but I think NJIT was made to wait, for an unknown duration, and they had enough.

It may also be that with NJIT, coming up without much of a plan or support from others, just weren't any good about the affiliation process. Yikes, who wasn't getting called by these guys? Is AE really where they want to be?

As for AE...it wouldn't surprise me if Monmouth's making the rounds...

I would love to see a complete split of hybrid conferences. Schools with football have a different agenda than schools without.

(06-15-2015 09:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools with football have a different agenda than schools without.

They don't necessarily. The real splinter is the public/private thing, and therein, with public schools, the whole hierarchy in the system. Athletic department likeness is just a polite coating schools use when they really want nothing to do with another because of direct competition and pedigree.

(06-15-2015 10:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools with football have a different agenda than schools without.

They don't necessarily. The real splinter is the public/private thing, and therein, with public schools, the whole hierarchy in the system. Athletic department likeness is just a polite coating schools use when they really want nothing to do with another because of direct competition and pedigree.

Like the MVC? They have a bunch of privates, and schools like Northern Iowa, Missouri State and Wichita State seems to want out. When Northern Iowa and Missouri State finally gets an FBS Wichita State will readd football and go to the MWC. And BYU may rejoin MWC because St. Mary's AD was talking about the idea of Grand Canyon U. could be their next expansion target. Not sure how others in WCC would react to Grand Canyon U., but he said something about exposure in the Phoenix market and recruits.

(06-16-2015 03:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools with football have a different agenda than schools without.

They don't necessarily. The real splinter is the public/private thing, and therein, with public schools, the whole hierarchy in the system. Athletic department likeness is just a polite coating schools use when they really want nothing to do with another because of direct competition and pedigree.

Like the MVC? They have a bunch of privates, and schools like Northern Iowa, Missouri State and Wichita State seems to want out. When Northern Iowa and Missouri State finally gets an FBS Wichita State will readd football and go to the MWC. And BYU may rejoin MWC because St. Mary's AD was talking about the idea of Grand Canyon U. could be their next expansion target. Not sure how others in WCC would react to Grand Canyon U., but he said something about exposure in the Phoenix market and recruits.

Public and private schools don't by nature necessarily hate each other. The MVC schools have a lot of history between each other. Theirs, like the Atlantic 10, is a good example of a conference of "mixed institutional types" that get on well together, and for various reasons. The "heat" between certain MVC schools isn't even between football and non-football. It's just basketball. And it's only really Wichita State who's *that* unhappy with things, and they aren't budging yet. From what I can tell, they weren't happy with the loss of Creighton and backfilling them with a market grab rather than a program that strengthened the basketball pool. It didn't have anything/much to do with UL-C being a private school. Nobody who got visits for that replacement spot would add anything to basketball, and the schools who got visits included, to my knowledge, two public schools (UIC and UMKC) and two private schools (UL-C and Valpo).

The "spats" run in between public and private schools within the same geographic region. And sometimes, it's heat between private schools and other private schools. St. Joe's and Villanova in the Philly area...Georgetown and George Washington in DC...heck, even in the WCC, apparently Gonzaga doesn't want much to do with Seattle, and those guys sit on opposite ends of the state!

The public school hierarchy thing...look no further than what goes on in North Carolina between the ACC schools and ECU, or how Ohio State hot-shots all of the other schools in its state. In the Horizon, nobody wants IUPUI or IPFW...even though you have Wisconsin and Ohio system schools; there's just a different level between them, or so the Horizon schools want people to believe.

(06-16-2015 09:23 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 03:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools with football have a different agenda than schools without.

They don't necessarily. The real splinter is the public/private thing, and therein, with public schools, the whole hierarchy in the system. Athletic department likeness is just a polite coating schools use when they really want nothing to do with another because of direct competition and pedigree.

Like the MVC? They have a bunch of privates, and schools like Northern Iowa, Missouri State and Wichita State seems to want out. When Northern Iowa and Missouri State finally gets an FBS Wichita State will readd football and go to the MWC. And BYU may rejoin MWC because St. Mary's AD was talking about the idea of Grand Canyon U. could be their next expansion target. Not sure how others in WCC would react to Grand Canyon U., but he said something about exposure in the Phoenix market and recruits.

Public and private schools don't by nature necessarily hate each other. The MVC schools have a lot of history between each other. Theirs, like the Atlantic 10, is a good example of a conference of "mixed institutional types" that get on well together, and for various reasons. The "heat" between certain MVC schools isn't even between football and non-football. It's just basketball. And it's only really Wichita State who's *that* unhappy with things, and they aren't budging yet. From what I can tell, they weren't happy with the loss of Creighton and backfilling them with a market grab rather than a program that strengthened the basketball pool. It didn't have anything/much to do with UL-C being a private school. Nobody who got visits for that replacement spot would add anything to basketball, and the schools who got visits included, to my knowledge, two public schools (UIC and UMKC) and two private schools (UL-C and Valpo).

The "spats" run in between public and private schools within the same geographic region. And sometimes, it's heat between private schools and other private schools. St. Joe's and Villanova in the Philly area...Georgetown and George Washington in DC...heck, even in the WCC, apparently Gonzaga doesn't want much to do with Seattle, and those guys sit on opposite ends of the state!

The public school hierarchy thing...look no further than what goes on in North Carolina between the ACC schools and ECU, or how Ohio State hot-shots all of the other schools in its state. In the Horizon, nobody wants IUPUI or IPFW...even though you have Wisconsin and Ohio system schools; there's just a different level between them, or so the Horizon schools want people to believe.

The top 3 in basketball right now are:
1.Wichita State
2.Missouri State
3. Northern Iowa

Then their seems to be a big drop off from there. If two of the top three leaves? Wichita State will really have gripes. The conference could be downgraded in basketball. Instead of at large for a second team? Only the champ goes. That is why MWC seems they are eager to join because that conference have more than 2 made the tournament. It would be a step up for them in basketball. Now, there seems interest in Wichita for football because they know that adding it could lead the school into a new better conference.

At this point, it's really WSU, and then UNI and SIU, and then a drop to those like MoState are with others who's best work were years ago (Missouri State hasn't seen a tournament since '99, fifteen or so years ago!). The schools most likely to leave who have football are Missouri State and then a considerable gap to Illinois State. Honestly, given both's performance in basketball...MVC could survive that.

It really comes down to SLU as to what Wichita State will likely do. If the Big East doesn't budge on membership, keeping SLU in the A10, maybe Wichita State approaches the A10. Maybe the distance finally forces SLU to "come back" to the MVC, and that would actually help matters for Wichita.

Honestly, they don't want football out at Wichita. It's the same with VCU. They want to keep basketball protected in a world where football gets you a higher ceiling, even if your hoops program is garbage. And when you start funding football, say "bye bye" to your hoops for awhile, as Charlotte, ODU, WKU, and USA are experiencing. Heck, even toss in UMass.

(06-16-2015 11:06 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  At this point, it's really WSU, and then UNI and SIU, and then a drop to those like MoState are with others who's best work were years ago (Missouri State hasn't seen a tournament since '99, fifteen or so years ago!). The schools most likely to leave who have football are Missouri State and then a considerable gap to Illinois State. Honestly, given both's performance in basketball...MVC could survive that.

It really comes down to SLU as to what Wichita State will likely do. If the Big East doesn't budge on membership, keeping SLU in the A10, maybe Wichita State approaches the A10. Maybe the distance finally forces SLU to "come back" to the MVC, and that would actually help matters for Wichita.

Honestly, they don't want football out at Wichita. It's the same with VCU. They want to keep basketball protected in a world where football gets you a higher ceiling, even if your hoops program is garbage. And when you start funding football, say "bye bye" to your hoops for awhile, as Charlotte, ODU, WKU, and USA are experiencing. Heck, even toss in UMass.

ODU just made the NIT final 4.
Georgia St made the NCAA tourney and won a game.
UMass made the NCAA tourney in 2014 for 1st time since 1998.

So what in the hell are you talking about? It's not like Charlotte, Western Kentucky, or South Alabama kicked ass before they got football.

(06-16-2015 10:05 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 09:23 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 03:02 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 10:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 09:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools with football have a different agenda than schools without.

They don't necessarily. The real splinter is the public/private thing, and therein, with public schools, the whole hierarchy in the system. Athletic department likeness is just a polite coating schools use when they really want nothing to do with another because of direct competition and pedigree.

Like the MVC? They have a bunch of privates, and schools like Northern Iowa, Missouri State and Wichita State seems to want out. When Northern Iowa and Missouri State finally gets an FBS Wichita State will readd football and go to the MWC. And BYU may rejoin MWC because St. Mary's AD was talking about the idea of Grand Canyon U. could be their next expansion target. Not sure how others in WCC would react to Grand Canyon U., but he said something about exposure in the Phoenix market and recruits.

Public and private schools don't by nature necessarily hate each other. The MVC schools have a lot of history between each other. Theirs, like the Atlantic 10, is a good example of a conference of "mixed institutional types" that get on well together, and for various reasons. The "heat" between certain MVC schools isn't even between football and non-football. It's just basketball. And it's only really Wichita State who's *that* unhappy with things, and they aren't budging yet. From what I can tell, they weren't happy with the loss of Creighton and backfilling them with a market grab rather than a program that strengthened the basketball pool. It didn't have anything/much to do with UL-C being a private school. Nobody who got visits for that replacement spot would add anything to basketball, and the schools who got visits included, to my knowledge, two public schools (UIC and UMKC) and two private schools (UL-C and Valpo).

The "spats" run in between public and private schools within the same geographic region. And sometimes, it's heat between private schools and other private schools. St. Joe's and Villanova in the Philly area...Georgetown and George Washington in DC...heck, even in the WCC, apparently Gonzaga doesn't want much to do with Seattle, and those guys sit on opposite ends of the state!

The public school hierarchy thing...look no further than what goes on in North Carolina between the ACC schools and ECU, or how Ohio State hot-shots all of the other schools in its state. In the Horizon, nobody wants IUPUI or IPFW...even though you have Wisconsin and Ohio system schools; there's just a different level between them, or so the Horizon schools want people to believe.

The top 3 in basketball right now are:
1.Wichita State
2.Missouri State
3. Northern Iowa

Then their seems to be a big drop off from there. If two of the top three leaves? Wichita State will really have gripes. The conference could be downgraded in basketball. Instead of at large for a second team? Only the champ goes. That is why MWC seems they are eager to join because that conference have more than 2 made the tournament. It would be a step up for them in basketball. Now, there seems interest in Wichita for football because they know that adding it could lead the school into a new better conference.

So then why was UNI a 5 seed, WSU a seven seed, and Missouri State left home?

Illinois State won games in the NIT.
Loyola won the CBI
Evansville won the CIT.

MVC is rock solid and schools are pretty much an agreement on everything for the most part. Football isn't even in the discussion when it comes to league membership if it was NDSU would have been a member instead of Loyola. Us deciding between going FBS and staying is a tough call, its very similar to the UMass situation. You have a perfect fit for all-sports currently but you have to make decision where you want to be in the future.

Wichita State isn't going anywhere. Illinois State is #2 most likely to move and everybody else is in their home conference for many years to come. UMKC will more than likely be out replacement to keep the league in Missouri, add the KC tv market, and give Wichita State a travel partner. Us leaving will tick them off, mainly because they lose their closet rival, peer across the board in all-sports, facilities, etc.

(06-16-2015 12:02 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  MVC is rock solid and schools are pretty much an agreement on everything for the most part. Football isn't even in the discussion when it comes to league membership if it was NDSU would have been a member instead of Loyola. Us deciding between going FBS and staying is a tough call, its very similar to the UMass situation. You have a perfect fit for all-sports currently but you have to make decision where you want to be in the future.

Wichita State isn't going anywhere. Illinois State is #2 most likely to move and everybody else is in their home conference for many years to come. UMKC will more than likely be out replacement to keep the league in Missouri, add the KC tv market, and give Wichita State a travel partner. Us leaving will tick them off, mainly because they lose their closet rival, peer across the board in all-sports, facilities, etc.

I have a feeling you guys could be in the Sun Belt soon. Make a good travel partner with Arkansas State in football. Somebody wrote on his blog that Missouri State would be an outlier school for the Sun Belt when it is just a driving distance to A-State and UALR.

Eastern Kentucky, Coastal Carolina and Missouri State for all sports soon.