I work a retail job, not good money at all, but still if I wanted to get season tickets I could so price should not be that big of an issue, although I do think they are terribly missing the boat with their new single game prices.

Being of college age myself I mostly don't get season tickets as my buddies and I have more freedom to go to the Michigan, or MSU games. It is like pulling teeth to convince a buddy to go to an EMU game with me unless they are playing Toledo or someone like that.

I think that this is a major problem within the MAC. Students are more fans of Michigan, MSU or OSU and would rather watch them on tv than go out to watch some MACtion. I dated a girl who was living on campus, if I did not know the schedule I would have had no idea there was a home game on campus that day. Absolutely no excitement in the air until you parked at the stadium or convo. I enjoy MAC football but before buying tickets, I usually check to see who Michigan is playing and at what time.

I'll probably go to Toledo's game against Iowa State and I'll be nearby for when Central plays Oklahoma State, but when your marquee non conference opponent is Army West Point you can't expect great attendance. Scheduling and creative ticket plans are one area where CMU, WMU, Toledo, BGSU, ect. are just destroying EMU, imo.

another thing about government workers is that they get the raises automatically. They don't have to be earned.

(07-25-2015 08:36 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  another thing about government workers is that they get the raises automatically. They don't have to be earned.

The way it works is that an employee has to have a satisfactory (or better) performance rating.

That said, folks are not content to stay at a particular grade. They want to get those promotions and then move up the steps within a particular grade.

BTW, I believe it takes around 18 years to go from Step 1 to Step 10.

The initial steps are annual, then bi-annual and then every three years.

(07-25-2015 08:36 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  another thing about government workers is that they get the raises automatically. They don't have to be earned.

Incorrect, there are cost of living increase which generally have been below the cost of inflation. Also the cost of medical insurance and the employee share has exceeded the cost of inflation.

Some have pay for performance depending on pay grade. There are a few merit raises out there but not many.

All have annual performance reviews.

It might interest you to know that for my particular job I would pay a private contractor 2 1/2 times to 3 times what I get paid. That is very true for many government jobs private contractors would be more expensive. There have been surveys done been comparable private sector employers and government employees. Overall they don't support the assumption that government employees and benefits are more or out of line with the private sector.

[quote='emu steve' pid='12225383' dateline='1437829806']
Sadly about teachers: It isn't an occupation of choice for persons who are sole wager earners.

There are lot of these type professions, such as nurses, social workers, etc. (as well as many government jobs).

One thing about teaching and other government jobs, is how salary increases with time-on-the-job. In the Federal government, there are grades and steps. Within a grade there are 10 (!) steps, so one can get 9 pay raises without being promoted. These steps can each be say $750 - 1,500 in annual salary depending on the grade level.

A teacher without many years experience isn't going to have a great salary. Later, not bad...


yes and now school districts no longer up the pay scale when you get your masters, step increases happen if and when the Michigan school district can afford them and in Michigan these days there are alot of districts that can't afford them. Many like the old Detroit school district are essentially bankrupt.

My experience with the federal government is that lower level employees may be over graded and over paid.

High performing, senior, managerial, etc. etc. are underpaid.

The most senior, SES, employees in big federal agencies might make say 150 - 175K / year but they hold titles like CFO (chief financial officer), CIO (Chief Information Officer), etc. Those might be executive vice president jobs in the private sector.

Could Apple, AT&T, etc. get a CFO or CIO for 175K? I doubt it. I'm curious if anyone knows what a CFO or CIO makes at say GM, Ford, AT&T, Apple, Wal-Mart, etc.

I do know what college coaches make... And many are making millions and millions.

(07-25-2015 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  My experience with the federal government is that lower level employees may be over graded and over paid.

High performing, senior, managerial, etc. etc. are underpaid.

The most senior, SES, employees in big federal agencies might make say 150 - 175K / year but they hold titles like CFO (chief financial officer), CIO (Chief Information Officer), etc. Those might be executive vice president jobs in the private sector.

Could Apple, AT&T, etc. get a CFO or CIO for 175K? I doubt it. I'm curious if anyone knows what a CFO or CIO makes at say GM, Ford, AT&T, Apple, Wal-Mart, etc.

I do know what college coaches make... And many are making millions and millions.

pure right wing non sense. the private sector pays way better and in reality there is no comparison between the private sector and public because there's no profits to be made in the government jobs that's why they are government run. that is unless you privatize them and give them subsides and tax cuts to run them then under pay and over work the people.

(07-27-2015 07:12 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(07-25-2015 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  My experience with the federal government is that lower level employees may be over graded and over paid.

High performing, senior, managerial, etc. etc. are underpaid.

The most senior, SES, employees in big federal agencies might make say 150 - 175K / year but they hold titles like CFO (chief financial officer), CIO (Chief Information Officer), etc. Those might be executive vice president jobs in the private sector.

Could Apple, AT&T, etc. get a CFO or CIO for 175K? I doubt it. I'm curious if anyone knows what a CFO or CIO makes at say GM, Ford, AT&T, Apple, Wal-Mart, etc.

I do know what college coaches make... And many are making millions and millions.

pure right wing non sense. the private sector pays way better and in reality there is no comparison between the private sector and public because there's no profits to be made in the government jobs that's why they are government run. that is unless you privatize them and give them subsides and tax cuts to run them then under pay and over work the people.

We can debate the GS 5 - 12 (or 13) series and whether folks are under or over paid but there isn't any doubt that very senior managers, e.g., the chief executive of the VA's hospital system, the world's largest hospital system, might make 200K. We're talking of a hospital system which might be say 50 - 75B ('B' like in billion) per year enterprise.

One thing I learned about working in government: There is no profit sharing in government 'cause there is no profit sharing agreements and no profits to share...

The benefits are better than average but if you want to be appreciated don't work for the government.

(07-28-2015 09:53 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(07-27-2015 07:12 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(07-25-2015 09:41 AM)emu steve Wrote:  My experience with the federal government is that lower level employees may be over graded and over paid.

High performing, senior, managerial, etc. etc. are underpaid.

The most senior, SES, employees in big federal agencies might make say 150 - 175K / year but they hold titles like CFO (chief financial officer), CIO (Chief Information Officer), etc. Those might be executive vice president jobs in the private sector.

Could Apple, AT&T, etc. get a CFO or CIO for 175K? I doubt it. I'm curious if anyone knows what a CFO or CIO makes at say GM, Ford, AT&T, Apple, Wal-Mart, etc.

I do know what college coaches make... And many are making millions and millions.

pure right wing non sense. the private sector pays way better and in reality there is no comparison between the private sector and public because there's no profits to be made in the government jobs that's why they are government run. that is unless you privatize them and give them subsides and tax cuts to run them then under pay and over work the people.

We can debate the GS 5 - 12 (or 13) series and whether folks are under or over paid but there isn't any doubt that very senior managers, e.g., the chief executive of the VA's hospital system, the world's largest hospital system, might make 200K. We're talking of a hospital system which might be say 50 - 75B ('B' like in billion) per year enterprise.

One thing I learned about working in government: There is no profit sharing in government 'cause there is no profit sharing agreements and no profits to share...

There is no debate to be had! And why the best go into corporations the pay way better, the upward mobility is way better, the benefits are way better aways have been. the only people that claim it's better to work for the government are those that don't want the competition for their job!