(06-04-2015 11:53 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Where did you hear that, Super? Martin is still in office until July. I've personally seen Schatzel at basketball games, and she somewhat frequently tweets/retweets about athletics on her Twitter account. Not exactly what I'd expect from someone who 'hates the athletic department.' Also, I don't think the interim president can just "cancel" money that's already been allocated by the Board of Regents.

In any case, she's only the interim president. She won't be appointed full-time.

Someone high up. The board for the most part is a rubber stamp for the president only on rare occasions will it do otherwise. The person did not name the person but refered to the person as a she. Officially she takes office in july but many parts are turned over ahead of time it just doesn't happen overnight. This was in the contexted of telling a donar why things weren't happening. Was not told to me directly. there was talk about the presidential house aswell but i didn't catch most of that.

The hate part might just be an opinion?

An interim president would not have the authority to override the board of regents. Verdict: False rumor (shocking, I know).

Here is another reason is, I have been told that all public universities and college's are budgeting for a 20 to 40 percent budget cut because prop one was voted down.

(06-05-2015 07:47 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Here is another reason is, I have been told that all public universities and college's are budgeting for a 20 to 40 percent budget cut because prop one was voted down.

I find that unbelievable.

I believe EMU and other state universities just got increases in the 1.5 - 3.0% range for the next fiscal year (inflation nationally is considered 1.2% per CNBC, discussed this morning).

I don't believe it is a problem in MI.

Now, Wisconsin is another matter as their governor took the ax to the UofWI system (Madison, Green Bay, Wilwaukee, etc.).

The difference between Snyder and Walker is significant and I don't see him (Snyder) raiding public education.

(06-05-2015 08:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 07:47 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Here is another reason is, I have been told that all public universities and college's are budgeting for a 20 to 40 percent budget cut because prop one was voted down.

I find that unbelievable.

I believe EMU and other state universities just got increases in the 1.5 - 3.0% range for the next fiscal year (inflation nationally is considered 1.2% per CNBC, discussed this morning).

I don't believe it is a problem in MI.

Now, Wisconsin is another matter as their governor took the ax to the UofWI system (Madison, Green Bay, Wilwaukee, etc.).

The difference between Snyder and Walker is significant and I don't see him (Snyder) raiding public education.

Lets try to keep the political angle out of this thread. Or put in a thread on this board like WMU to discuss all that stuff outside of the sports world.

The teapublicans are trying to cut 900 million from the educational budget!

See its already starting.

(06-05-2015 08:47 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 08:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 07:47 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Here is another reason is, I have been told that all public universities and college's are budgeting for a 20 to 40 percent budget cut because prop one was voted down.

I find that unbelievable.

I believe EMU and other state universities just got increases in the 1.5 - 3.0% range for the next fiscal year (inflation nationally is considered 1.2% per CNBC, discussed this morning).

I don't believe it is a problem in MI.

Now, Wisconsin is another matter as their governor took the ax to the UofWI system (Madison, Green Bay, Wilwaukee, etc.).

The difference between Snyder and Walker is significant and I don't see him (Snyder) raiding public education.

Lets try to keep the political angle out of this thread. Or put in a thread on this board like WMU to discuss all that stuff outside of the sports world.

I wasn't try to go political.

All I was saying is that I don't see Snyder not defending higher education and the 2015-16 budget has an increase for most universities. (I saw the numbers in an article but can't find it).

This document has the EMU state appropriation numbers for the last three years.

http://www.emich.edu/budget/docs/Revenue...ByArea.pdf

Steve, the funding for higher education in Michigan has not kept pace with inflation and costs for quite some time leading to huge increases in students for higher education. I will refrain from discussing the state of elementary and secondary funding and test scores in the State of Michigan. Suffice to say its not good. The number of school districts in financial distress remains a critical issue even in places like Lansing.

Now back to football ticket pricing.

(06-05-2015 09:00 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Steve, the funding for higher education in Michigan has not kept pace with inflation and costs for quite some time leading to huge increases in students for higher education. I will refrain from discussing the state of elementary and secondary funding and test scores in the State of Michigan. Suffice to say its not good. The number of school districts in financial distress remains a critical issue even in places like Lansing.

Now back to football ticket pricing.

You are absolutely correct about education funding, BUT

Super put out a scare, alarmist statement which I believe to be completely false and needed to be refuted (which I did).

(06-05-2015 08:51 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  The teapublicans are trying to cut 900 million from the educational budget!

This I will agree with. Teapublicans exemplify willful ignorance. They must be stopped.

(06-05-2015 09:07 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 09:00 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Steve, the funding for higher education in Michigan has not kept pace with inflation and costs for quite some time leading to huge increases in students for higher education. I will refrain from discussing the state of elementary and secondary funding and test scores in the State of Michigan. Suffice to say its not good. The number of school districts in financial distress remains a critical issue even in places like Lansing.

Now back to football ticket pricing.

You are absolutely correct about education funding, BUT

Super put out a scare, alarmist statement which I believe to be completely false and needed to be refuted (which I did).

Not scare I'm not fox entertainment. I'm starting new posting switching this discussion there.

I guess Toledo is more serious than we are about increasing their fan attendance, look what $70 for a season ticket buys you at Toledo, in fairness the seats are in a particular section but I like this package:

http://www.utrockets.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=204927197

I would not be fair if I didn't mention that Heather and the AD staff recently set up the Alumni Four Pack which is a great family package for $40. Great idea and hopefully it returns next season.

(07-05-2015 01:55 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I guess Toledo is more serious than we are about increasing their fan attendance, look what $70 for a season ticket buys you at Toledo, in fairness the seats are in a particular section but I like this package:

http://www.utrockets.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=204927197

Toledo also plays Iowa State and Arkansas State at home, which is much better than any home game on our schedule. Should be a little more bang for the buck down there.

(05-31-2015 01:02 PM)emu79 Wrote:  The standard of living for many teachers over the past few years has actually declined as teachers face many school district financial problems due to lack of funding, pay more for medical and pension benefits and either take pay cuts or no cost of living increases. Whether you agree with that or not I leave up to you, but it does impact the ability of a significant amount of EMU alumni to either contribute or increase contributions at all to the school.

Well. I say it's about time that teachers started paying a portion of the costs for their own benefits. The rest of us have been doing it forever. Cost of living increases? Never been a part of my world. Would be nice if it were. How about no raises whatsoever because of this abysmal economy? That's my world and I'm a geologist with 25 years of experience. Now, on to their "poor" pay... Most teachers in Washtenaw County, with less working experience than I have, are making more annually than I am. A lot are making salaries equivalent to professional engineers I work with. This article by MLive indicates that the average salary for local teachers is about $61,000. What does a teacher with 25 years of experience make a year? Oh, that's right...that teacher is probably retired. I guarantee you that the curriculum I endured at EMU (coursework equivalent to a minor in physics, a minor in chemistry and a minor in mathematics) was more difficult than the curriculum that most education majors had to take.

I'm not complaining because I chose a rigorous academic curriculum and I chose what I do for a living. My point is this...I make less than teachers who graduated from EMU yet I go to every home football game. It "ain't" about money it's about caring and wanting to go to the games. If I can afford it so can they. They CHOOSE not to go. The sad fact of the matter is this - most EMU students and alumni do not care about EMU athletics. If they did you would have seen the stands packed when the tickets were just $10 a piece.

(07-24-2015 11:03 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 01:02 PM)emu79 Wrote:  The standard of living for many teachers over the past few years has actually declined as teachers face many school district financial problems due to lack of funding, pay more for medical and pension benefits and either take pay cuts or no cost of living increases. Whether you agree with that or not I leave up to you, but it does impact the ability of a significant amount of EMU alumni to either contribute or increase contributions at all to the school.

Well. I say it's about time that teachers started paying a portion of the costs for their own benefits. The rest of us have been doing it forever. Cost of living increases? Never been a part of my world. Would be nice if it were. How about no raises whatsoever because of this abysmal economy? That's my world and I'm a geologist with 25 years of experience. Now, on to their "poor" pay... Most teachers in Washtenaw County, with less working experience than I have, are making more annually than I am. A lot are making salaries equivalent to professional engineers I work with. This article by MLive indicates that the average salary for local teachers is about $61,000. What does a teacher with 25 years of experience make a year? Oh, that's right...that teacher is probably retired. I guarantee you that the curriculum I endured at EMU (coursework equivalent to a minor in physics, a minor in chemistry and a minor in mathematics) was more difficult than the curriculum that most education majors had to take.

I'm not complaining because I chose a rigorous academic curriculum and I chose what I do for a living. My point is this...I make less than teachers who graduated from EMU yet I go to every home football game. It "ain't" about money it's about caring and wanting to go to the games. If I can afford it so can they. They CHOOSE not to go. The sad fact of the matter is this - most EMU students and alumni do not care about EMU athletics. If they did you would have seen the stands packed when the tickets were just $10 a piece.

Agree. Ten or 15 bucks a ticket, with free parking, shouldn't be difficult. It is the price of a half decent meal out. Maybe even a breakfast buffet.

Lot of financial stability is the simple: income minus expenses equation with salary(s) being half of the equation.

Those with large families, with one or more children they are putting through college, daughters to get married, etc. are going to struggle unless they have pretty significant incomes.

Having say two children in college will strain most budgets. Period.

The retired folks I know do very well because the expense side of the equation is well controlled (e.g., no mortgage, no children in college, etc. etc.).

(07-24-2015 11:03 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 01:02 PM)emu79 Wrote:  The standard of living for many teachers over the past few years has actually declined as teachers face many school district financial problems due to lack of funding, pay more for medical and pension benefits and either take pay cuts or no cost of living increases. Whether you agree with that or not I leave up to you, but it does impact the ability of a significant amount of EMU alumni to either contribute or increase contributions at all to the school.

Well. I say it's about time that teachers started paying a portion of the costs for their own benefits. The rest of us have been doing it forever. Cost of living increases? Never been a part of my world. Would be nice if it were. How about no raises whatsoever because of this abysmal economy? That's my world and I'm a geologist with 25 years of experience. Now, on to their "poor" pay... Most teachers in Washtenaw County, with less working experience than I have, are making more annually than I am. A lot are making salaries equivalent to professional engineers I work with. This article by MLive indicates that the average salary for local teachers is about $61,000. What does a teacher with 25 years of experience make a year? Oh, that's right...that teacher is probably retired. I guarantee you that the curriculum I endured at EMU (coursework equivalent to a minor in physics, a minor in chemistry and a minor in mathematics) was more difficult than the curriculum that most education majors had to take.

I'm not complaining because I chose a rigorous academic curriculum and I chose what I do for a living. My point is this...I make less than teachers who graduated from EMU yet I go to every home football game. It "ain't" about money it's about caring and wanting to go to the games. If I can afford it so can they. They CHOOSE not to go. The sad fact of the matter is this - most EMU students and alumni do not care about EMU athletics. If they did you would have seen the stands packed when the tickets were just $10 a piece.

My oldest daughter taught 4 Div I hoops players at Sexton and she loved her job, hard to budget as a person with the ups and downs with school finances, pay cuts most of those 5 years or being threaten to being laid or actually laid off. She got tired of the funding merry go round. Like I said whether you agree or disagree with how teachers get paid, their standard of living like many of us hasn't increased significantly or actually decreased especially since 2008.

Sadly about teachers: It isn't an occupation of choice for persons who are sole wager earners.

There are lot of these type professions, such as nurses, social workers, etc. (as well as many government jobs).

One thing about teaching and other government jobs, is how salary increases with time-on-the-job. In the Federal government, there are grades and steps. Within a grade there are 10 (!) steps, so one can get 9 pay raises without being promoted. These steps can each be say $750 - 1,500 in annual salary depending on the grade level.

A teacher without many years experience isn't going to have a great salary. Later, not bad...