I heard that the B1G is considering Colorado St. as an expansion target. This doesn't mean that that the B1G is pursuing CSU or even that CSU is a primary target, but the thought that CSU is on the B1G radar surprised me.

IF the B1G were to invite CSU, it would be a bigger shock than Rutgers/Maryland.

Upon further review, key factors at least warrant CSU consideration:

1) Flagship University in a decent-sized state (5 million population) bordering current B1G footprint (Nebraska).

2) Close to and substantial alumni base in top-20 Denver market - 1.5 million TV households. Decent play for the B1GNetwork.

3) Recent discussions and proposals to expand football stadium. With additional B1G exposure and $$, plan becomes reality.

4) Academics not AAU level yet, but potential is there.

Thoughts?

(05-29-2015 12:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  I heard that the B1G is considering Colorado St. as an expansion target. This doesn't mean that that the B1G is pursuing CSU or even that CSU is a primary target, but the thought that CSU is on the B1G radar surprised me.

IF the B1G were to invite CSU, it would be a bigger shock than Rutgers/Maryland.

Upon further review, key factors at least warrant CSU consideration:

1) Flagship University in a decent-sized state (5 million population) bordering current B1G footprint (Nebraska).

2) Close to and substantial alumni base in top-20 Denver market - 1.5 million TV households. Decent play for the B1GNetwork.

3) Recent discussions and proposals to expand football stadium. With additional B1G exposure and $$, plan becomes reality.

4) Academics not AAU level yet, but potential is there.

Thoughts?

It would be a growth product but Denver is certainly a market worth having. The Big 12 had quietly considered them as well.

(05-29-2015 12:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  I heard that the B1G is considering Colorado St. as an expansion target. This doesn't mean that that the B1G is pursuing CSU or even that CSU is a primary target, but the thought that CSU is on the B1G radar surprised me.

IF the B1G were to invite CSU, it would be a bigger shock than Rutgers/Maryland.

Upon further review, key factors at least warrant CSU consideration:

1) Flagship University in a decent-sized state (5 million population) bordering current B1G footprint (Nebraska).

2) Close to and substantial alumni base in top-20 Denver market - 1.5 million TV households. Decent play for the B1GNetwork.

3) Recent discussions and proposals to expand football stadium. With additional B1G exposure and $$, plan becomes reality.

4) Academics not AAU level yet, but potential is there.

Thoughts?

Good luck getting that changed and until so, CSU will be a better option for the B12 if they ever get a network going.

(05-29-2015 07:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 12:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  I heard that the B1G is considering Colorado St. as an expansion target. This doesn't mean that that the B1G is pursuing CSU or even that CSU is a primary target, but the thought that CSU is on the B1G radar surprised me.

IF the B1G were to invite CSU, it would be a bigger shock than Rutgers/Maryland.

Upon further review, key factors at least warrant CSU consideration:

1) Flagship University in a decent-sized state (5 million population) bordering current B1G footprint (Nebraska).

2) Close to and substantial alumni base in top-20 Denver market - 1.5 million TV households. Decent play for the B1GNetwork.

3) Recent discussions and proposals to expand football stadium. With additional B1G exposure and $$, plan becomes reality.

4) Academics not AAU level yet, but potential is there.

Thoughts?

It would be a growth product but Denver is certainly a market worth having. The Big 12 had quietly considered them as well.

The University of Colorado at Boulder (PAC-12) is the state's flagship school. It has a impressive research presence and a full array of professional graduate offerings like medicine and law. While a respected institution, CSU doesn't have metrics like that, and certainly not like those of the typical B1G school.

Denver and the other front-range communities comprise a sizeable media market, but neither CU-Boulder nor CSU captures it, and in the rest of the state, they barely get a mention. Where I live, on the western slope, all of the sports interest relates either to Denver's pro franchises, to local colleges, or (this week), the JUCO World Series.

So why doesn't the B1G just start going after Pac 12 schools outright? It could add Arizona State as a full member (not just hockey), and then Colorado to bridge the gap between them and Nebraska. Arizona State isn't AAU, but it would be a better add than Colorado State. I suppose the B1G could then go to 20 by adding any 4 of the 8 schools in Washington, California, or Oregon, although Washington State and Oregon State are not AAU. Going to four divisions gives you something like this:

Pacific - UCLA, Cal, USC, Stanford, Ariz St
West - Colo, Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc
Central - MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, NW
East - Rutgers, Penn State, MD, OSU, Michigan

Smoke and Mirrors.

(06-01-2015 08:12 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So why doesn't the B1G just start going after Pac 12 schools outright? It could add Arizona State as a full member (not just hockey), and then Colorado to bridge the gap between them and Nebraska. Arizona State isn't AAU, but it would be a better add than Colorado State. I suppose the B1G could then go to 20 by adding any 4 of the 8 schools in Washington, California, or Oregon, although Washington State and Oregon State are not AAU. Going to four divisions gives you something like this:

Pacific - UCLA, Cal, USC, Stanford, Ariz St
West - Colo, Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc
Central - MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, NW
East - Rutgers, Penn State, MD, OSU, Michigan

Make the Rose Bowl an all-Big Ten bowl game?

If conferences get much bigger, I think we would see intra-conference bowl games - and they would still do well and be fun games to watch...

(06-05-2015 04:23 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 08:12 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So why doesn't the B1G just start going after Pac 12 schools outright? It could add Arizona State as a full member (not just hockey), and then Colorado to bridge the gap between them and Nebraska. Arizona State isn't AAU, but it would be a better add than Colorado State. I suppose the B1G could then go to 20 by adding any 4 of the 8 schools in Washington, California, or Oregon, although Washington State and Oregon State are not AAU. Going to four divisions gives you something like this:

Pacific - UCLA, Cal, USC, Stanford, Ariz St
West - Colo, Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc
Central - MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, NW
East - Rutgers, Penn State, MD, OSU, Michigan

Make the Rose Bowl an all-Big Ten bowl game?

If conferences get much bigger, I think we would see intra-conference bowl games - and they would still do well and be fun games to watch...

It's not a bad idea. Big 10 conference semis could be held at the Fiesta and the Pin Stripe. That gives them an East coast and West coast game for the semis. The Rose then hold's the championship. The SEC could hold their semis in the Peach and the Cotton Bowl with the championship in the Sugar Bowl. The third 20 team conference (probably a combination of ACC & Big 12) could hold their semis in the Gator Bowl/or Music City and the Outback Bowl with their Finals in the Orange.

The three champions and the best at large then enter the national playoffs the sites of which would be determined annually.

Why is this in the SEC forum?

(06-07-2015 07:40 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Why is this in the SEC forum?

He's a B.Y.U. fan, "he had nowhere else to go".

(06-07-2015 08:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:40 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Why is this in the SEC forum?

He's a B.Y.U. fan, "he had nowhere else to go".

We don't have a B1G forum?

(06-08-2015 02:20 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:40 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Why is this in the SEC forum?

He's a B.Y.U. fan, "he had nowhere else to go".

We don't have a B1G forum?

We do but it is usually less active than the SEC forum.

(06-08-2015 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 02:20 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:40 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Why is this in the SEC forum?

He's a B.Y.U. fan, "he had nowhere else to go".

We don't have a B1G forum?

We do but it is usually less active than the SEC forum.

Not anymore.

(06-08-2015 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 02:20 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:40 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Why is this in the SEC forum?

He's a B.Y.U. fan, "he had nowhere else to go".

We don't have a B1G forum?

We do but it is usually less active than the SEC forum.

Not anymore.

Face it H1 in the absence of any kind of concrete news there just isn't much to talk about that you and I and some of the older realignment guys haven't covered two years ago. So other than trying to sell a hypothesis there simply isn't much going on. That's why I haven't started any new threads in a month. The Pollyanna's are still going to deny anything we post, the uninitiated come with with ridiculous wild speculation, and we've already covered the business and practical angles that will take time to play out. So I'm just taking it easy until there is action. What I read on the Big 10 thread is lacrosse talk in a baseball thread, and you trying to catch the neophytes up to speed. So not much is happening there either.

(06-08-2015 07:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 02:20 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 08:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  He's a B.Y.U. fan, "he had nowhere else to go".

We don't have a B1G forum?

We do but it is usually less active than the SEC forum.

Not anymore.

Face it H1 in the absence of any kind of concrete news there just isn't much to talk about that you and I and some of the older realignment guys haven't covered two years ago. So other than trying to sell a hypothesis there simply isn't much going on. That's why I haven't started any new threads in a month. The Pollyanna's are still going to deny anything we post, the uninitiated come with with ridiculous wild speculation, and we've already covered the business and practical angles that will take time to play out. So I'm just taking it easy until there is action. What I read on the Big 10 thread is lacrosse talk in a baseball thread, and you trying to catch the neophytes up to speed. So not much is happening there either.

Granted, its not that much but considering how little is going on, the activity there is actually as much or more than any other time that I can remember where as this forum's activity has slowed considerably.

I agree with you that there isn't that much for guys like us to talk about right now. You are also correct about the headache that Realignment 101 is giving me over on the Big Ten board.

(06-08-2015 07:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 02:20 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  We don't have a B1G forum?

We do but it is usually less active than the SEC forum.

Not anymore.

Face it H1 in the absence of any kind of concrete news there just isn't much to talk about that you and I and some of the older realignment guys haven't covered two years ago. So other than trying to sell a hypothesis there simply isn't much going on. That's why I haven't started any new threads in a month. The Pollyanna's are still going to deny anything we post, the uninitiated come with with ridiculous wild speculation, and we've already covered the business and practical angles that will take time to play out. So I'm just taking it easy until there is action. What I read on the Big 10 thread is lacrosse talk in a baseball thread, and you trying to catch the neophytes up to speed. So not much is happening there either.

Granted, its not that much but considering how little is going on, the activity there is actually as much or more than any other time that I can remember where as this forum's activity has slowed considerably.

I agree with you that there isn't that much for guys like us to talk about right now. You are also correct about the headache that Realignment 101 is giving me over on the Big Ten board.

Take away the Ideal Conference Draft that BigBlueBlindness did for last Summer and the one before and it would have been the same for both Summers. Things just don't pop once football season is over, or until there is realignment news. John01992 whined and killed the Draft last year. I thought it was time to give it a rest. Search the internet and you won't find an active SEC board anywhere other than a school site. SEC Rant is a romper room much like the ESPN posters that came in over here, so no thanks for that site for me. The two boards I consider joining to discuss are the Virginia Tech site because those yahoos are so off base in many of their assumptions about both the SEC and Big 10, and Landthieves where there does seem to be a little more intelligence to the posting. Shaggy wouldn't be bad except that it is extremely Texas centered and some of their oldest posters are resistant to outside thoughts. I think when there is news this is still one of the better places to discuss realignment. At least here some folks get it that there is real business going on behind the moves and that these aren't just rah rah conference decisions.

(06-08-2015 07:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  We do but it is usually less active than the SEC forum.

Not anymore.

Face it H1 in the absence of any kind of concrete news there just isn't much to talk about that you and I and some of the older realignment guys haven't covered two years ago. So other than trying to sell a hypothesis there simply isn't much going on. That's why I haven't started any new threads in a month. The Pollyanna's are still going to deny anything we post, the uninitiated come with with ridiculous wild speculation, and we've already covered the business and practical angles that will take time to play out. So I'm just taking it easy until there is action. What I read on the Big 10 thread is lacrosse talk in a baseball thread, and you trying to catch the neophytes up to speed. So not much is happening there either.

Granted, its not that much but considering how little is going on, the activity there is actually as much or more than any other time that I can remember where as this forum's activity has slowed considerably.

I agree with you that there isn't that much for guys like us to talk about right now. You are also correct about the headache that Realignment 101 is giving me over on the Big Ten board.

Take away the Ideal Conference Draft that BigBlueBlindness did for last Summer and the one before and it would have been the same for both Summers. Things just don't pop once football season is over, or until there is realignment news. John01192 whined and killed the Draft last year. I thought it was time to give it a rest. Search the internet and you won't find an active SEC board anywhere other than a school site. SEC Rant is a romper room much like the ESPN posters that came in over here, so no thanks for that site for me. The two boards I consider joining to discuss are the Virginia Tech site because those yahoos are so off base in many of their assumptions about both the SEC and Big 10, and Landthieves where there does seem to be a little more intelligence to the posting. Shaggy wouldn't be bad except that it is extremely Texas centered and some of their oldest posters are resistant to outside thoughts. I think when there is news this is still one of the better places to discuss realignment. At least here some folks get it that there is real business going on behind the moves and they are just rah rah conference decisions.

I know you watch Landthieves and I know you watch me there. You know how hard it has been for me to keep myself in line there in order to make it the place that it is today. I have even gone so far as to insert into their brains that our forum is THE main realignment forum on the internet by inviting the most intelligent and rational to come visit.

I read Shaggy sometimes but I don't bother posting there. I am not insane enough to try and sell all of those people on the idea that they will relatively soon be part of The ACC.

(06-08-2015 07:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Not anymore.

Face it H1 in the absence of any kind of concrete news there just isn't much to talk about that you and I and some of the older realignment guys haven't covered two years ago. So other than trying to sell a hypothesis there simply isn't much going on. That's why I haven't started any new threads in a month. The Pollyanna's are still going to deny anything we post, the uninitiated come with with ridiculous wild speculation, and we've already covered the business and practical angles that will take time to play out. So I'm just taking it easy until there is action. What I read on the Big 10 thread is lacrosse talk in a baseball thread, and you trying to catch the neophytes up to speed. So not much is happening there either.

Granted, its not that much but considering how little is going on, the activity there is actually as much or more than any other time that I can remember where as this forum's activity has slowed considerably.

I agree with you that there isn't that much for guys like us to talk about right now. You are also correct about the headache that Realignment 101 is giving me over on the Big Ten board.

Take away the Ideal Conference Draft that BigBlueBlindness did for last Summer and the one before and it would have been the same for both Summers. Things just don't pop once football season is over, or until there is realignment news. John01192 whined and killed the Draft last year. I thought it was time to give it a rest. Search the internet and you won't find an active SEC board anywhere other than a school site. SEC Rant is a romper room much like the ESPN posters that came in over here, so no thanks for that site for me. The two boards I consider joining to discuss are the Virginia Tech site because those yahoos are so off base in many of their assumptions about both the SEC and Big 10, and Landthieves where there does seem to be a little more intelligence to the posting. Shaggy wouldn't be bad except that it is extremely Texas centered and some of their oldest posters are resistant to outside thoughts. I think when there is news this is still one of the better places to discuss realignment. At least here some folks get it that there is real business going on behind the moves and they are just rah rah conference decisions.

I know you watch Landthieves and I know you watch me there. You know how hard it has been for me to keep myself in line there in order to make it the place that it is today. I have even gone so far as to insert into their brains that our forum is THE main realignment forum on the internet by inviting the most intelligent and rational to come visit.

I read Shaggy sometimes but I don't bother posting there. I am not insane enough to try and sell all of those people on the idea that they will relatively soon be part of The ACC.

I have noticed that Landthieves has more legitimate discussion about realignment now rather than being dominated by about 6 posters so set in their opinions that they actually stifled conversation instead of facilitated it. So yeah you have them thinking a little more outside of the box. The biggest problem here are the number of ACC posters who vehemently deny everything and spin numbers into insane fictions and then congratulate each other on how right they are in their delusions. It's more than annoying. Lately the cheerleading threads started on the main board have been ticking me off. As a mod I see them as a kind of spam. Between those and G5 inclusion threads there isn't much there to read right now. But I let that stuff go because they enjoy it and right now it gets posts and hits no matter how absurd it is.

(06-08-2015 08:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Face it H1 in the absence of any kind of concrete news there just isn't much to talk about that you and I and some of the older realignment guys haven't covered two years ago. So other than trying to sell a hypothesis there simply isn't much going on. That's why I haven't started any new threads in a month. The Pollyanna's are still going to deny anything we post, the uninitiated come with with ridiculous wild speculation, and we've already covered the business and practical angles that will take time to play out. So I'm just taking it easy until there is action. What I read on the Big 10 thread is lacrosse talk in a baseball thread, and you trying to catch the neophytes up to speed. So not much is happening there either.

Granted, its not that much but considering how little is going on, the activity there is actually as much or more than any other time that I can remember where as this forum's activity has slowed considerably.

I agree with you that there isn't that much for guys like us to talk about right now. You are also correct about the headache that Realignment 101 is giving me over on the Big Ten board.

Take away the Ideal Conference Draft that BigBlueBlindness did for last Summer and the one before and it would have been the same for both Summers. Things just don't pop once football season is over, or until there is realignment news. John01192 whined and killed the Draft last year. I thought it was time to give it a rest. Search the internet and you won't find an active SEC board anywhere other than a school site. SEC Rant is a romper room much like the ESPN posters that came in over here, so no thanks for that site for me. The two boards I consider joining to discuss are the Virginia Tech site because those yahoos are so off base in many of their assumptions about both the SEC and Big 10, and Landthieves where there does seem to be a little more intelligence to the posting. Shaggy wouldn't be bad except that it is extremely Texas centered and some of their oldest posters are resistant to outside thoughts. I think when there is news this is still one of the better places to discuss realignment. At least here some folks get it that there is real business going on behind the moves and they are just rah rah conference decisions.

I know you watch Landthieves and I know you watch me there. You know how hard it has been for me to keep myself in line there in order to make it the place that it is today. I have even gone so far as to insert into their brains that our forum is THE main realignment forum on the internet by inviting the most intelligent and rational to come visit.

I read Shaggy sometimes but I don't bother posting there. I am not insane enough to try and sell all of those people on the idea that they will relatively soon be part of The ACC.

I have noticed that Landthieves has more legitimate discussion about realignment now rather than being dominated about 6 posters so set in their opinions that they actually stifled conversation instead of facilitated it. So yeah you have them thinking a little more outside of the box. The biggest problem here are the number of ACC posters who vehemently deny everything and spin numbers into insane fictions and then congratulate each other on how right they are in their delusions. It's more than annoying. Lately the cheerleading threads started on the main board have been ticking me off. As a mod I see them as a kind of spam. Between those and G5 inclusion threads there isn't much there to read right now. But I let that stuff go because they enjoy it and right now it gets posts and hits no matter who absurd it is.

Nope, I barely ever post on the main forum at this point. I'm waiting for the next big thing.

As far as annoying ACC posters here? The Notre Dame crew over on Landthieves is just about as bad. The moment I have one of them starting to post rationally, their Fighting Irish Brainwashing Program kicks in and they start foaming at the mouth while repeating the word BUG over and over again.

(06-08-2015 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 08:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Granted, its not that much but considering how little is going on, the activity there is actually as much or more than any other time that I can remember where as this forum's activity has slowed considerably.

I agree with you that there isn't that much for guys like us to talk about right now. You are also correct about the headache that Realignment 101 is giving me over on the Big Ten board.

Take away the Ideal Conference Draft that BigBlueBlindness did for last Summer and the one before and it would have been the same for both Summers. Things just don't pop once football season is over, or until there is realignment news. John01192 whined and killed the Draft last year. I thought it was time to give it a rest. Search the internet and you won't find an active SEC board anywhere other than a school site. SEC Rant is a romper room much like the ESPN posters that came in over here, so no thanks for that site for me. The two boards I consider joining to discuss are the Virginia Tech site because those yahoos are so off base in many of their assumptions about both the SEC and Big 10, and Landthieves where there does seem to be a little more intelligence to the posting. Shaggy wouldn't be bad except that it is extremely Texas centered and some of their oldest posters are resistant to outside thoughts. I think when there is news this is still one of the better places to discuss realignment. At least here some folks get it that there is real business going on behind the moves and they are just rah rah conference decisions.

I know you watch Landthieves and I know you watch me there. You know how hard it has been for me to keep myself in line there in order to make it the place that it is today. I have even gone so far as to insert into their brains that our forum is THE main realignment forum on the internet by inviting the most intelligent and rational to come visit.

I read Shaggy sometimes but I don't bother posting there. I am not insane enough to try and sell all of those people on the idea that they will relatively soon be part of The ACC.

I have noticed that Landthieves has more legitimate discussion about realignment now rather than being dominated about 6 posters so set in their opinions that they actually stifled conversation instead of facilitated it. So yeah you have them thinking a little more outside of the box. The biggest problem here are the number of ACC posters who vehemently deny everything and spin numbers into insane fictions and then congratulate each other on how right they are in their delusions. It's more than annoying. Lately the cheerleading threads started on the main board have been ticking me off. As a mod I see them as a kind of spam. Between those and G5 inclusion threads there isn't much there to read right now. But I let that stuff go because they enjoy it and right now it gets posts and hits no matter who absurd it is.

Nope, I barely ever post on the main forum at this point. I'm waiting for the next big thing.

As far as annoying ACC posters here? The Notre Dame crew over on Landthieves is just about as bad. The moment I have one of them starting to post rationally, their Fighting Irish Brainwashing Program kicks in and they start foaming at the mouth while repeating the word BUG over and over again.

Yeah that guy is juvenile. Some of their better posters aren't regulars. At least Hamilton has been laying a bit lower lately. Camel at Sea is the Big 12 cheerleader there, just as we have two Big 12 cheerleaders here, sometimes 3 if you count TodgeRodge.