(05-21-2015 12:56 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 12:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 12:15 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:19 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Josh is the type of guy that would be in Memphis for a lifetime unless he is run off. He has had other schools court him. At some point he will leave if the current culture of hate continues.

Coaches get paid well to win. How much do you have to win to keep your job can only move up, never down. Cal's soulless tenure here made it nearly impossible for any coach to be embraced long-term. We have never maintained anything close to what he accomplished in his last few years.

Memphis is a good program that is occasionally great but has never possessed the gold ring. I suspect that the record Josh has compiled would not have received the same negative reaction if had followed Cal after his first few years rather than the last few.

Certainly Josh has not met expectations for wining big games and then there was last year. But the feeding frenzy has been excessive and very personal. He is a good man, a good family man, a very morale man of high character who values his position in Memphis/at Memphis and appreciates the opportunity extended to him. There may be a time for him to go soon or later but we don't have to destroy a good man in the process.

The haters will hate you for this. Excellent post.

Opinions vary. I felt the OP asked some good questions. Too bad some people don't seem to get it and think that ANYTHING posted on here not proclaiming Josh as the next Coach K or Wooden is beating a dead horse.

You get fixated on things that are completely false and run around like a parrot. Feel free to come up with a link showing anything to back up what you just said. Very bizarre.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-729187.html

I am holding back from calling idiots and morons, idiots and morons. Thank you for pointing this out again. Keep up the good work.

(05-21-2015 01:00 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 12:15 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:19 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:01 AM)ReynaFan Wrote:  A lot of posters recently make claims that if Pastner wins next year, he'll leave, as if this is certain and taken for granted.

It might make sense to define and quantify "wins next year" first, but I'm also interested in why he leaves and to what type of program he goes.

Is he bitter now that he got heat and is a quitter?
Is he looking for a bigger paycheck?
Does he not think he can win NC at Memphis?

Does he win and leave for a smaller school or P5 with a lesser basketball pedigree?
Does he become such a hot commodity that he is the big name all schools are courting?
Does he get interest from a perennial powerhouse program?

I just can't seem to find a yes answer to any of these questions, so those of you that think he's gone either way, what's the path for good season and then gone?

Josh is the type of guy that would be in Memphis for a lifetime unless he is run off. He has had other schools court him. At some point he will leave if the current culture of hate continues.

Coaches get paid well to win. How much do you have to win to keep your job can only move up, never down. Cal's soulless tenure here made it nearly impossible for any coach to be embraced long-term. We have never maintained anything close to what he accomplished in his last few years.

Memphis is a good program that is occasionally great but has never possessed the gold ring. I suspect that the record Josh has compiled would not have received the same negative reaction if had followed Cal after his first few years rather than the last few.

Certainly Josh has not met expectations for wining big games and then there was last year. But the feeding frenzy has been excessive and very personal. He is a good man, a good family man, a very morale man of high character who values his position in Memphis/at Memphis and appreciates the opportunity extended to him. There may be a time for him to go soon or later but we don't have to destroy a good man in the process.

The haters will hate you for this. Excellent post.

Opinions vary. I felt the OP asked some good questions. Too bad some people don't seem to get it and think that ANYTHING posted on here not proclaiming Josh as the next Coach K or Wooden is beating a dead horse.

I agree - the main question I gleaned from the OP's post was where is Josh going - good season or bad?

It seems a foregone conclusion to some that he's gone, but I'm not so sure that is true.

If Tarrant is pencilled in at the 2; we are going to lose 4 starters and I would think that AN is going to do his best to graduate. I think Pastner is gone because 2017 is going to be a rebuild.

It took Pastner 3 years to cycle through Cal's leftover to build the program with high level recruits. He is now cycling through his second, 3 year period of recruiting at a high level to his current level which isn't as good.

None of this really matters since he'll be gone after this coming year.

(05-21-2015 02:55 PM)450bench Wrote:  None of this really matters since he'll be gone after this coming year.

Is this just your opinion?

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas

(05-21-2015 12:59 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 12:10 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:36 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:19 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:01 AM)ReynaFan Wrote:  A lot of posters recently make claims that if Pastner wins next year, he'll leave, as if this is certain and taken for granted.

It might make sense to define and quantify "wins next year" first, but I'm also interested in why he leaves and to what type of program he goes.

Is he bitter now that he got heat and is a quitter?
Is he looking for a bigger paycheck?
Does he not think he can win NC at Memphis?

Does he win and leave for a smaller school or P5 with a lesser basketball pedigree?
Does he become such a hot commodity that he is the big name all schools are courting?
Does he get interest from a perennial powerhouse program?

I just can't seem to find a yes answer to any of these questions, so those of you that think he's gone either way, what's the path for good season and then gone?

Josh is the type of guy that would be in Memphis for a lifetime unless he is run off. He has had other schools court him. At some point he will leave if the current culture of hate continues.

Coaches get paid well to win. How much do you have to win to keep your job can only move up, never down. Cal's soulless tenure here made it nearly impossible for any coach to be embraced long-term. We have never maintained anything close to what he accomplished in his last few years.

Memphis is a good program that is occasionally great but has never possessed the gold ring. I suspect that the record Josh has compiled would not have received the same negative reaction if had followed Cal after his first few years rather than the last few.

Certainly Josh has not met expectations for wining big games and then there was last year. But the feeding frenzy has been excessive and very personal. He is a good man, a good family man, a very morale man of high character who values his position in Memphis/at Memphis and appreciates the opportunity extended to him. There may be a time for him to go soon or later but we don't have to destroy a good man in the process.

I have no idea what all this rambling means.

He is paid $2.6 million to run a DI basketball program.

Most of the folks I know have nothing against him personally - they do however have issue with what they see on the floor at times.

Cal had the same critics about his record vs. ranked teams the first half of his career here, so I suspect your theory on that is incorrect.

Thanks for reinventing my message and leaving out the logic of the text. And of course the added insult always helps bring meaning to a conversation.

You're welcome.

If you wouldn't take not so subtle jabs - "culture of hate" "soulless tenure" then we could have real discussions.

As it is, I don't disagree with some of your post. I think Josh has much thinner skin than a lot of DI head coaches. We will see how he deals with the adversity of last season.

Care to run a ticker tape on the the attacks on Pastner that are not related to coaching? How many threads start off unrelated to Pastner and end up being derailed by a left-field negative comment.

Question his coaching ability, that's fair game. But in my opinion the anonymity of message boards bring out the worst of people. Some of the threads here go way overboard. So the culture of hate comment I will stick with. On the flip side I think that culture has worn thin on Josh and he is not deflecting it like he used to. That's human nature but he needs to let more things go and leave off some of his defensive nature in the public eye.

Did I go overboard on the Soulless comment? Maybe a little. Cal used us and we used him. He was a tireless promoter of Memphis and is still involved with some charities here. I'll even let the on-camera, I love it at Memphis and I'm not going anywhere comment slide even though there are better ways to avoid a silly question.

When it comes to the university I see more than a basketball or football program. I expect more out of the students and the staff regardless of the circumstances. Cal bent the circumstances of his relationship with the university and this city like a scene from the Matrix and we paid a dear price for it similar to what happened with Kirk. It's all been played out before so I want go over it again.

As for your response, I may be verbose but none of it was rambling. I like and respect Josh as a person. I don't like where are as a program but I don't think he is a failure. I think his biggest problem is he tries to do too much and the program is too big for one person to manage. maybe this most recent hire of Stoudamire is his realization that he needs assistants to do more than recruit.

But its all just my opinion. Been here a long time and I'm pretty consistent.

Please, please, please win next year.

The Geoff Calkins Show 5/21/15 Hour 2 (w/ Aki Collins)

media.espn929.com/a/105490037/the-geoff-calkins-show-5-21-15-hour-2-w-aki-collins.htm?

Want to hear loyalty and class. Plus a different perspective on Josh than is the general word on the street/

(05-21-2015 04:03 PM)Rodney Carney Wrote:  Please, please, please win next year.

Yup. Just win!

The OP asked a question I’ve pondered for several months. Some fans think Josh will be definitely gone after the upcoming season, while others feel he will definitely stay after a successful winning season.

As for me there are too many iffy conclusions to make even an educated guess.

(05-21-2015 07:14 AM)ReynaFan Wrote:  I certainly apologize if people have explained their thought process on this question and I missed it. I honestly stopped reading all the Pastner threads because they quickly detiorated into useless drivel. I choose to neither read nor post in those threads.

I hadn't noticed people really making these claims about next year until the Stoudamire threads stating Pastner is gone next year either way.

I honestly don't see how Pastner leaves after a good season, but I'm open to discussing others' thought processes.

I purposely titled the thread Pastner question to make it very easy for people to ignore. My advice to any not interested would be to ignore the thread.

For Buffalo, I don't get that he's the type of person to have a good year and say, "whew! I better get another job now because I really can't hack it." Whether he's accurate or not, I think he believes in his ability to be successful.

I think some of the reasoning behind the people who think he may leave is thinking forward to next season.
Who do we lose after next year? Shaq for sure...Austin if he has another good year? It is extremely possible. Losing those 2 will be huge for us. Who do we replace them with?
It has been hashed out already how our recruiting is starting to slip...a lack of tourney success and wins will do that. Hell even KENTUCKY is having a strange recruiting offseason...a season where they are not getting their first choices of players like they usually do.
We 'whiffed' out on Skal....although to be honest I don't think he was ever coming here in the first place.
Caipari is a hero in Haiti, and I felt he had a leg up there all along.

(05-21-2015 12:15 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:19 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:01 AM)ReynaFan Wrote:  A lot of posters recently make claims that if Pastner wins next year, he'll leave, as if this is certain and taken for granted.

It might make sense to define and quantify "wins next year" first, but I'm also interested in why he leaves and to what type of program he goes.

Is he bitter now that he got heat and is a quitter?
Is he looking for a bigger paycheck?
Does he not think he can win NC at Memphis?

Does he win and leave for a smaller school or P5 with a lesser basketball pedigree?
Does he become such a hot commodity that he is the big name all schools are courting?
Does he get interest from a perennial powerhouse program?

I just can't seem to find a yes answer to any of these questions, so those of you that think he's gone either way, what's the path for good season and then gone?

Josh is the type of guy that would be in Memphis for a lifetime unless he is run off. He has had other schools court him. At some point he will leave if the current culture of hate continues.

Coaches get paid well to win. How much do you have to win to keep your job can only move up, never down. Cal's soulless tenure here made it nearly impossible for any coach to be embraced long-term. We have never maintained anything close to what he accomplished in his last few years.

Memphis is a good program that is occasionally great but has never possessed the gold ring. I suspect that the record Josh has compiled would not have received the same negative reaction if had followed Cal after his first few years rather than the last few.

Certainly Josh has not met expectations for wining big games and then there was last year. But the feeding frenzy has been excessive and very personal. He is a good man, a good family man, a very morale man of high character who values his position in Memphis/at Memphis and appreciates the opportunity extended to him. There may be a time for him to go soon or later but we don't have to destroy a good man in the process.

The haters will hate you for this. Excellent post.

Opinions vary. I felt the OP asked some good questions. Too bad some people don't seem to get it and think that ANYTHING posted on here not proclaiming Josh as the next Coach K or Wooden is beating a dead horse.

I make a post about the "haters" and you sound defensive.

(05-21-2015 09:20 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 12:15 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 11:19 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:01 AM)ReynaFan Wrote:  A lot of posters recently make claims that if Pastner wins next year, he'll leave, as if this is certain and taken for granted.

It might make sense to define and quantify "wins next year" first, but I'm also interested in why he leaves and to what type of program he goes.

Is he bitter now that he got heat and is a quitter?
Is he looking for a bigger paycheck?
Does he not think he can win NC at Memphis?

Does he win and leave for a smaller school or P5 with a lesser basketball pedigree?
Does he become such a hot commodity that he is the big name all schools are courting?
Does he get interest from a perennial powerhouse program?

I just can't seem to find a yes answer to any of these questions, so those of you that think he's gone either way, what's the path for good season and then gone?

Josh is the type of guy that would be in Memphis for a lifetime unless he is run off. He has had other schools court him. At some point he will leave if the current culture of hate continues.

Coaches get paid well to win. How much do you have to win to keep your job can only move up, never down. Cal's soulless tenure here made it nearly impossible for any coach to be embraced long-term. We have never maintained anything close to what he accomplished in his last few years.

Memphis is a good program that is occasionally great but has never possessed the gold ring. I suspect that the record Josh has compiled would not have received the same negative reaction if had followed Cal after his first few years rather than the last few.

Certainly Josh has not met expectations for wining big games and then there was last year. But the feeding frenzy has been excessive and very personal. He is a good man, a good family man, a very morale man of high character who values his position in Memphis/at Memphis and appreciates the opportunity extended to him. There may be a time for him to go soon or later but we don't have to destroy a good man in the process.

The haters will hate you for this. Excellent post.

Opinions vary. I felt the OP asked some good questions. Too bad some people don't seem to get it and think that ANYTHING posted on here not proclaiming Josh as the next Coach K or Wooden is beating a dead horse.

I make a post about the "haters" and you sound defensive.

yep

(05-21-2015 09:20 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I make a post about the "haters" and you sound defensive.

One thing I’ve learned over time is people who use the word “HATE/HATERS” are the true haters.

You, along with others on your side of the fence use it quite frequently. Every damn day.

(05-22-2015 12:07 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 09:20 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I make a post about the "haters" and you sound defensive.

One thing I’ve learned over time is people who use the word “HATE/HATERS” are the true haters.

You, along with others on your side of the fence use it quite frequently. Every damn day.

One other thing you've learned is the old 'deflect with accusation' trick.

I read it several times every day.

(05-22-2015 12:26 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 12:07 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 09:20 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I make a post about the "haters" and you sound defensive.

One thing I’ve learned over time is people who use the word “HATE/HATERS” are the true haters.

You, along with others on your side of the fence use it quite frequently. Every damn day.

One other thing you've learned is the old 'deflect with accusation' trick.

I read it several times every day.

Tell you what….I’m going to make it a point to call out every post I see with the word HATE/HATER(S) so all can see who it originated from.

No doubt you will be at or near the top of the list.

Noted, friend. And yours are the first two.

Not me dude. I don’t use the word hate aimed at others I don’t know.

This is for those who are of the ole spiteful fairytale hag variety who despises and has contempt for everything they don’t like or don't agree with….Like you.

C’ya

OK. Already up to three.

It's going to be a long off season...can September get here soon enough?