Well, best of luck to them. You can't hardly condemn somebody for goals.

(05-19-2015 10:14 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 10:03 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:52 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What we really need are ticket revenue numbers. It's better to have 5,000 in the stands if they paid $50 each than 10,000 in the stands paying $10 each.

2013 last data available that I could find:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Keep in mind this only includes public institutions and might not be an exhaustive list, but these should be the top schools. Caveat being, governmental/non-profit accounting (which is what these fall into) leaves a lot of room for reporting discretion. Still, this should benchmark things a bit.

UConn: $8.89M
Memphis: $8.30M
Boise St: $8.20M
Cincinnati: $7.42M
Army (?): $7.06M - Huge spike in 2013 numbers, not sure why...
USF: $6.89M
Fresno St: $6.88M
East Carolina: $6.86M
New Mexico: $6.73M
UNLV: $6.43M
HawaiiL $5.97M
San Diego St: $5.35M
Air Force: $4.29M
UCF: $3.94M
Houston: $3.81M

Only P5 schools I could find that were below a G5 school were Washington St and Rutgers.

FWIW, Rutgers was not in the B1G yet.

I think that's definitely a factor. I noted that already in the takeaways I wrote about just a second ago. I guarantee they weren't the only ones below some G5 either. Some privates, like Wake, Pitt, Northwestern, were probably in the same arena as the top G5 schools at this stage.

The team also stunk in the second half and the season finale was the worst attend game since the stadium expansion. It was also the lowest ticket revenue since the stadium expansion.

(05-19-2015 09:34 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We generally have between 21-25k season ticket holders... Ohio doesn't even get that in attendance

These days 24-25k actuals on a Saturday. Midweek games in the teens.

How much further out there the school can put themselves out there attendance wise probably not much more. Most of the recommendations were aimed at preserving what has been built up through applying better fan engagement.

(05-19-2015 09:52 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What we really need are ticket revenue numbers. It's better to have 5,000 in the stands if they paid $50 each than 10,000 in the stands paying $10 each.

2013 last data available that I could find:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Keep in mind this only includes public institutions and might not be an exhaustive list, but these should be the top schools. Caveat being, governmental/non-profit accounting (which is what these fall into) leaves a lot of room for reporting discretion. Still, this should benchmark things a bit.

UConn: $8.89M
Memphis: $8.30M
Boise St: $8.20M
Cincinnati: $7.42M
Army (?): $7.06M - Huge spike in 2013 numbers, not sure why...
USF: $6.89M
Fresno St: $6.88M
East Carolina: $6.86M
New Mexico: $6.73M
UNLV: $6.43M
HawaiiL $5.97M
San Diego St: $5.35M
Air Force: $4.29M
UCF: $3.94M
Houston: $3.81M

Only P5 schools I could find that were below a G5 school were Washington St and Rutgers.

Good data.

Boise State was only doing $2 million in ticket revenue 10 years ago. Completely a non-factor in this discussion until their Top 10 runs and that may be a reason why they were kept so long out of the MVC.

What you are seeing today with Boise is a school that is a bonafide top tier G5 athletic program with the amount of revenue coming in. No longer at all is it a gimmick school.

That is why I say Boise, UConn, UC, Army, USF, Fresno, East Carolina, New Mexico, Hawaii, San Diego St all should just go independent and play each other along with BYU. The idea of a 20 team coast 2 coast conference that has as its members MAC level revenue schools is a waste of time.

(05-19-2015 09:34 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We generally have between 21-25k season ticket holders... Ohio doesn't even get that in attendance

Hard to sell 25K season tickets in a stadium that has 24K seats.

(05-20-2015 01:34 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:34 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We generally have between 21-25k season ticket holders... Ohio doesn't even get that in attendance

Hard to sell 25K season tickets in a stadium that has 24K seats.

You guys need to examine a total rebuild of Peden, or at least the horseshoe end. If it were rebuilt to match the sideline stands and wrapped all the way around, it should put you close to 30-32,000

(05-20-2015 06:00 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 01:34 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 09:34 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  We generally have between 21-25k season ticket holders... Ohio doesn't even get that in attendance

Hard to sell 25K season tickets in a stadium that has 24K seats.

You guys need to examine a total rebuild of Peden, or at least the horseshoe end. If it were rebuilt to match the sideline stands and wrapped all the way around, it should put you close to 30-32,000

The original Peden design was to be 29,000 and a horseshoe.

The horseshoe is going to be complete next year with the latest expansion.

the new construction won't add any seats. I'd like to see them tear Peden down one half at a time and rebuild it in the low 30s.

(05-19-2015 09:52 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What we really need are ticket revenue numbers. It's better to have 5,000 in the stands if they paid $50 each than 10,000 in the stands paying $10 each.

2013 last data available that I could find:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Keep in mind this only includes public institutions and might not be an exhaustive list, but these should be the top schools. Caveat being, governmental/non-profit accounting (which is what these fall into) leaves a lot of room for reporting discretion. Still, this should benchmark things a bit.

UConn: $8.89M
Memphis: $8.30M
Boise St: $8.20M
Cincinnati: $7.42M
Army (?): $7.06M - Huge spike in 2013 numbers, not sure why...
USF: $6.89M
Fresno St: $6.88M
East Carolina: $6.86M
New Mexico: $6.73M
UNLV: $6.43M
HawaiiL $5.97M
San Diego St: $5.35M
Air Force: $4.29M
UCF: $3.94M
Houston: $3.81M

Only P5 schools I could find that were below a G5 school were Washington St and Rutgers.

Raw ticket sales ignore the per seat donation model used for many of the above schools seats. Including those values, which were available in the linked reference, would yield a better yardstick IMO.

One thing I know is athletically UCF is really on the move.

The ACC should look at doubling down in Florida with UCF/USF. That way they control the flow of Florida recruits.

List of G5 schools that are earning 5 million ticket revenue/5 million donor contributions.

UNLV: 6.4 million/7.7 million
UConn: 8.9 million/7.2 million
Cincinnati: 7.4 million/5.2 million
Memphis: 8.2 million/11.6 million
New Mexico: 6.7 million/9.0 million
Boise State: 8.2 million/11.1 million
San Diego St: 5.3 million/5.6 million
East Carolina: 6.8 million/5.7 million

Its not a very big list of schools that are making 5 million in ticket revenue and 5 million in contributions.

Its enough though to be a football conference when you throw BYU in there to play every year. If Cincinnati/Memphis were to leave for the B12 the remaining schools could find basketball homes and pull it off.

Big East (UConn/St. Louis)
Atlantic 10 (East Carolina)
Big West (SDSU, New Mexico, Boise St. UNLV)

Each could get 5-6 million dollar TV deals on their own and better strength of schedule for the playoff.

Then the G5 conference reload.....

AAC (Buffalo, UMass, ODU, Charlotte)
MWC (NMSU, Idaho)
MAC (Illinois State)
SBC (James Madison)

CUSA stays at 12 with UAB that returns football.

The Commercial Appeal released 2013/2014 numbers for Memphis...$8.6M in ticket sales and $11.4M in donations. COA will be $5,373 per scholly.

Quote:Rudd said the university is in position to balance an athletic budget that should surpass $50 million during the next fiscal year.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...e_08726098