(04-10-2015 08:58 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  It is not the number of sports that is important. It is whether or not you fully fund them. JMU has 17 fully funded sports. JMU is second in the conference in CAA titles. JMU is also 62% male which limits the number of male sports we can sponsor thanks to antiquated title 9 requirements. We have 13 female sports. How many more of those do you want? Brady has a better winning percentage than Shaver. JMU football has beaten W&M 9 out of the last 10 times. Once again Dukeman, you throw poo on the wall to see what sticks.

Phazed: I am so glad you are not our AD. You would be an absolute disaster. The present Sun Belt is a horrible fit for JMU. You think we have too much stadium now as an FCS school, wait until we join the Sun Belt. After the initial novelty of being FBS wears off, our attendance will drop. How many fans do you see being interested in JMU playing a directional Louisiana
or Alabama school? Do you honestly believe that just having the FBS moniker is going to move the needle for the casual fan? I understand it will make some of the existing diehard fans happy but the Sun Belt is not sending the non-engaged JMU alum flocking to the gates of Bridgeforth and the Convo. Then add all the travel costs plus the fact that their academic standards are non-existent. Come on dude. You went to JMU. Stop embarrassing us all with your posts about joining a conference that is actually inferior to the CAA in every way except having FBS football. There are only two schools fans would recognize GA. Southern and App St. The rest are a bunch of former FCS no names.

I think you got that backwards. Being 62% male would limit the amount of women's sports you need.

(04-10-2015 10:42 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 08:58 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  It is not the number of sports that is important. It is whether or not you fully fund them. JMU has 17 fully funded sports. JMU is second in the conference in CAA titles. JMU is also 62% male which limits the number of male sports we can sponsor thanks to antiquated title 9 requirements. We have 13 female sports. How many more of those do you want? Brady has a better winning percentage than Shaver. JMU football has beaten W&M 9 out of the last 10 times. Once again Dukeman, you throw poo on the wall to see what sticks.

Phazed: I am so glad you are not our AD. You would be an absolute disaster. The present Sun Belt is a horrible fit for JMU. You think we have too much stadium now as an FCS school, wait until we join the Sun Belt. After the initial novelty of being FBS wears off, our attendance will drop. How many fans do you see being interested in JMU playing a directional Louisiana
or Alabama school? Do you honestly believe that just having the FBS moniker is going to move the needle for the casual fan? I understand it will make some of the existing diehard fans happy but the Sun Belt is not sending the non-engaged JMU alum flocking to the gates of Bridgeforth and the Convo. Then add all the travel costs plus the fact that their academic standards are non-existent. Come on dude. You went to JMU. Stop embarrassing us all with your posts about joining a conference that is actually inferior to the CAA in every way except having FBS football. There are only two schools fans would recognize GA. Southern and App St. The rest are a bunch of former FCS no names.

I think you got that backwards. Being 62% male would limit the amount of women's sports you need.

That is totally incorrect, we are heavy weighted to the female side of the equation with the split being 60 female 40 male.

(04-10-2015 10:29 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 09:13 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 08:58 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  How many fans do you see being interested in JMU playing a directional Louisiana or Alabama school?

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Yea...

Let's stay in the CAA because the fan interest in CAA schools is so much greater than directional Louisiana (seen above) and some Alabama school (also seen above)

Dolley - could you not find a pic of Rhode Island's portable toilets behind the see through aluminum bleachers that can support 500 fans?

Great post
Some on here would prefer to walk through mud to use a porta pottie located on the high school seating side of the track than play a "directional LA" school .

It would actually pain me to leave W&M, Villanova, Richmond and Delaware after so many great years of rivalry. Even if we go FBS I would still rather play against them than the majority of Sun Belt or MAC teams. But it is so worth us getting to play team like Tech, UVA, UNC, or Maryland once a year (and occasionally at home) and get teams like App St, ODU, Charlotte, etc every year. Lots of us have pointed this out countless times, all we'd be doing is replacing the Elons and Mooreheads with second-tier directional state schools but so what? The games that lack interest will continue to lack interest but the games of interest will be on a whole new national-level scale.

There's an ever-growing chasm that maybe only Villanova and Delaware will ever jump between small (regional) and big (national) scale football programs. W&M and probably Richmond need to be in the Patriot. We many never reach the meca scale but we need to make a jump from where we are fast cause it will become insurmountable in the near future.

(04-10-2015 12:10 PM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 10:29 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 09:13 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 08:58 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  How many fans do you see being interested in JMU playing a directional Louisiana or Alabama school?

AND





VS.





AND





Yea...

Let's stay in the CAA because the fan interest in CAA schools is so much greater than directional Louisiana (seen above) and some Alabama school (also seen above)

Dolley - could you not find a pic of Rhode Island's portable toilets behind the see through aluminum bleachers that can support 500 fans?

Great post
Some on here would prefer to walk through mud to use a porta pottie located on the high school seating side of the track than play a "directional LA" school .

Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not. Either way, "some" of us wanting to watch and play tier III football on unseeded dirt fields with portable toilets does not support a $36M athletic budget, an fbs stadium or a new convo.

The preference of watching low budget college football could be supported if we were willing to significantly cut JMU's athletic budget, had we not built BFS and if we plan on playing basketball in the Convo for decades.

(04-10-2015 12:59 PM)2Buck Wrote:  It would actually pain me to leave W&M, Villanova, Richmond and Delaware after so many great years of rivalry. Even if we go FBS I would still rather play against them than the majority of Sun Belt or MAC teams. But it is so worth us getting to play team like Tech, UVA, UNC, or Maryland once a year (and occasionally at home) and get teams like App St, ODU, Charlotte, etc every year. Lots of us have pointed this out countless times, all we'd be doing is replacing the Elons and Mooreheads with second-tier directional state schools but so what? The games that lack interest will continue to lack interest but the games of interest will be on a whole new national-level scale.

There's an ever-growing chasm that maybe only Villanova and Delaware will ever jump between small (regional) and big (national) scale football programs. W&M and probably Richmond need to be in the Patriot. We many never reach the meca scale but we need to make a jump from where we are fast cause it will become insurmountable in the near future.

Don't forget we can always bring in one of those 4 CAA schools each year.

Also, this has little to do with the topic, but have you ever ask yourself in the years we don't have Delaware or Villanova on our conference schedule why we don't schedule them for an OOC game? It would not count towards a conference championship as it would be looked at just as our playing Lehigh or Morehead. Hmmmm. Sure would be better competition and go along ways towards maintaining those guys as a rival.

(04-10-2015 01:24 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:59 PM)2Buck Wrote:  It would actually pain me to leave W&M, Villanova, Richmond and Delaware after so many great years of rivalry. Even if we go FBS I would still rather play against them than the majority of Sun Belt or MAC teams. But it is so worth us getting to play team like Tech, UVA, UNC, or Maryland once a year (and occasionally at home) and get teams like App St, ODU, Charlotte, etc every year. Lots of us have pointed this out countless times, all we'd be doing is replacing the Elons and Mooreheads with second-tier directional state schools but so what? The games that lack interest will continue to lack interest but the games of interest will be on a whole new national-level scale.

There's an ever-growing chasm that maybe only Villanova and Delaware will ever jump between small (regional) and big (national) scale football programs. W&M and probably Richmond need to be in the Patriot. We many never reach the meca scale but we need to make a jump from where we are fast cause it will become insurmountable in the near future.

Don't forget we can always bring in one of those 4 CAA schools each year.

Also, this has little to do with the topic, but have you ever ask yourself in the years we don't have Delaware or Villanova on our conference schedule why we don't schedule them for an OOC game? It would not count towards a conference championship as it would be looked at just as our playing Lehigh or Morehead. Hmmmm. Sure would be better competition and go along ways towards maintaining those guys as a rival.

Yeah, I hope we play them every year regardless of conference affiliations. My real hope is that the G5 reforms into more regional conferences and maybe at least Villanova and Delaware are finally lured into making a move. Nova is just such a tiny school to support FBS but looking at some of those G5 attendance numbers I think they'd do better than much larger schools like UMASS and Eastern Michigan.

But we still need to make the move as soon as possible because we just can't rely on something like that and even if it does happen- we know with the pace our admin moves we'd probably get passed by again.

(04-10-2015 11:01 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 10:42 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 08:58 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  It is not the number of sports that is important. It is whether or not you fully fund them. JMU has 17 fully funded sports. JMU is second in the conference in CAA titles. JMU is also 62% male which limits the number of male sports we can sponsor thanks to antiquated title 9 requirements. We have 13 female sports. How many more of those do you want? Brady has a better winning percentage than Shaver. JMU football has beaten W&M 9 out of the last 10 times. Once again Dukeman, you throw poo on the wall to see what sticks.

Phazed: I am so glad you are not our AD. You would be an absolute disaster. The present Sun Belt is a horrible fit for JMU. You think we have too much stadium now as an FCS school, wait until we join the Sun Belt. After the initial novelty of being FBS wears off, our attendance will drop. How many fans do you see being interested in JMU playing a directional Louisiana
or Alabama school? Do you honestly believe that just having the FBS moniker is going to move the needle for the casual fan? I understand it will make some of the existing diehard fans happy but the Sun Belt is not sending the non-engaged JMU alum flocking to the gates of Bridgeforth and the Convo. Then add all the travel costs plus the fact that their academic standards are non-existent. Come on dude. You went to JMU. Stop embarrassing us all with your posts about joining a conference that is actually inferior to the CAA in every way except having FBS football. There are only two schools fans would recognize GA. Southern and App St. The rest are a bunch of former FCS no names.

I think you got that backwards. Being 62% male would limit the amount of women's sports you need.

That is totally incorrect, we are heavy weighted to the female side of the equation with the split being 60 female 40 male.

Got it. We're kind of in a similar boat, but we're a little more balanced. I think it might be about 56% female here.

(04-10-2015 12:59 PM)2Buck Wrote:  It would actually pain me to leave W&M, Villanova, Richmond and Delaware after so many great years of rivalry. Even if we go FBS I would still rather play against them than the majority of Sun Belt or MAC teams. But it is so worth us getting to play team like Tech, UVA, UNC, or Maryland once a year (and occasionally at home) and get teams like App St, ODU, Charlotte, etc every year. Lots of us have pointed this out countless times, all we'd be doing is replacing the Elons and Mooreheads with second-tier directional state schools but so what? The games that lack interest will continue to lack interest but the games of interest will be on a whole new national-level scale.

There's an ever-growing chasm that maybe only Villanova and Delaware will ever jump between small (regional) and big (national) scale football programs. W&M and probably Richmond need to be in the Patriot. We many never reach the meca scale but we need to make a jump from where we are fast cause it will become insurmountable in the near future.

My dream scenario that won't realistically happen is us, you guys, and Delaware move up to the Sun Belt. Villanova and Richmond could come too, maybe, but I think Richmond would be way too small and Nova wouldn't be willing to move their BBall.

And I disagree that WM should drop to the Patriot. We're near the top attendance wise in the CAA in football and basketball, despite being by far one of the smaller schools in the conference. JMU and us were the only 2 CAA schools to break 5k in attendance multiple times. We've lead the CAA in overall conference championships for a while (Helps that there's a ton of turnover in the conference, but still). I believe the Patriot wanted us, not 100% sure if a formal offer was ever made, but we weren't interested.

(04-10-2015 01:35 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:59 PM)2Buck Wrote:  It would actually pain me to leave W&M, Villanova, Richmond and Delaware after so many great years of rivalry. Even if we go FBS I would still rather play against them than the majority of Sun Belt or MAC teams. But it is so worth us getting to play team like Tech, UVA, UNC, or Maryland once a year (and occasionally at home) and get teams like App St, ODU, Charlotte, etc every year. Lots of us have pointed this out countless times, all we'd be doing is replacing the Elons and Mooreheads with second-tier directional state schools but so what? The games that lack interest will continue to lack interest but the games of interest will be on a whole new national-level scale.

There's an ever-growing chasm that maybe only Villanova and Delaware will ever jump between small (regional) and big (national) scale football programs. W&M and probably Richmond need to be in the Patriot. We many never reach the meca scale but we need to make a jump from where we are fast cause it will become insurmountable in the near future.

My dream scenario that won't realistically happen is us, you guys, and Delaware move up to the Sun Belt. Villanova and Richmond could come too, maybe, but I think Richmond would be way too small and Nova wouldn't be willing to move their BBall.

And I disagree that WM should drop to the Patriot. We're near the top attendance wise in the CAA in football and basketball, despite being by far one of the smaller schools in the conference. JMU and us were the only 2 CAA schools to break 5k in attendance multiple times. We've lead the CAA in overall conference championships for a while (Helps that there's a ton of turnover in the conference, but still). I believe the Patriot wanted us, not 100% sure if a formal offer was ever made, but we weren't interested.

Been years since I coded in html, hope I got this quote structure down right!

By no means did I intend my comment to be a knock. If we left CAA I think the Patriot with you and Richmond would be stronger than CAA. Any school that replaces us is just going to continue to water the conference down. Plus you'd be among better academic peers. I think it'd be great if we could move as a package deal with you and Delaware though.

This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".

Quote:d) Be Ready

Our moment is coming. When Tribe Athletics’ success provides a galvanizing event, we need to be ready to fully capitalize on it. Otherwise, that moment – and the opportunities to tell William & Mary’s remarkable story, strengthen its brand, and enthuse our community –
will be lost.

I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

(04-10-2015 02:11 PM)91Alum Wrote:  This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".

Quote:d) Be Ready

Our moment is coming. When Tribe Athletics’ success provides a galvanizing event, we need to be ready to fully capitalize on it. Otherwise, that moment – and the opportunities to tell William & Mary’s remarkable story, strengthen its brand, and enthuse our community –
will be lost.

I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

(04-10-2015 02:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:11 PM)91Alum Wrote:  This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".

Quote:d) Be Ready

Our moment is coming. When Tribe Athletics’ success provides a galvanizing event, we need to be ready to fully capitalize on it. Otherwise, that moment – and the opportunities to tell William & Mary’s remarkable story, strengthen its brand, and enthuse our community –
will be lost.

I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

Yeah, I don't see a JMU connection. Has JMU had a galvanizing event?

(04-10-2015 02:48 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:11 PM)91Alum Wrote:  This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".

Quote:d) Be Ready

Our moment is coming. When Tribe Athletics’ success provides a galvanizing event, we need to be ready to fully capitalize on it. Otherwise, that moment – and the opportunities to tell William & Mary’s remarkable story, strengthen its brand, and enthuse our community –
will be lost.

I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

Yeah, I don't see a JMU connection. Has JMU had a galvanizing event?

Of course!

The Rock, silly!

(04-11-2015 01:11 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:48 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:11 PM)91Alum Wrote:  This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".

Quote:d) Be Ready

Our moment is coming. When Tribe Athletics’ success provides a galvanizing event, we need to be ready to fully capitalize on it. Otherwise, that moment – and the opportunities to tell William & Mary’s remarkable story, strengthen its brand, and enthuse our community –
will be lost.

I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

Yeah, I don't see a JMU connection. Has JMU had a galvanizing event?

Of course!

The Rock, silly!

Its a good thing I was outside drinking my coffee, I just spit it all out in laughter.

Looks like W&M is stepping up their coverage by broadcasting their spring game today online. Can JMU do this?

(04-10-2015 02:48 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:11 PM)91Alum Wrote:  This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".

Quote:d) Be Ready

Our moment is coming. When Tribe Athletics’ success provides a galvanizing event, we need to be ready to fully capitalize on it. Otherwise, that moment – and the opportunities to tell William & Mary’s remarkable story, strengthen its brand, and enthuse our community –
will be lost.

I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

Yeah, I don't see a JMU connection. Has JMU had a galvanizing event?

Not sure the Natl Championship, the building of the new stadium, the 25K+ attendance of a few years ago, etc are singular galvanizing events, but we had a sh*tload of momentum and enthusiasm about the program, at least two conferences actively pressing us to join, and we pissed it away.

We weren't ready. And now we missed the boat.

(04-11-2015 10:53 AM)91Alum Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:48 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:11 PM)91Alum Wrote:  This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".

Quote:d) Be Ready

Our moment is coming. When Tribe Athletics’ success provides a galvanizing event, we need to be ready to fully capitalize on it. Otherwise, that moment – and the opportunities to tell William & Mary’s remarkable story, strengthen its brand, and enthuse our community –
will be lost.

I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

Yeah, I don't see a JMU connection. Has JMU had a galvanizing event?

Not sure the Natl Championship, the building of the new stadium, the 25K+ attendance of a few years ago, etc are singular galvanizing events, but we had a sh*tload of momentum and enthusiasm about the program, at least two conferences actively pressing us to join, and we pissed it away.

We weren't ready. And now we missed the boat.

If I had to honestly guess what they may be referring to above, I'd say they are figuring they have GOT to win an NCAA appearance during someone's life time. It's only been like 15 generations since they first tossed a coconut in the air. They then want to be ready to go all "W & M Nation" or however they plan to pimp their "brand".

I just don't see them going FBS, but yea, didn't see several others going ahead either...

(04-11-2015 10:53 AM)91Alum Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:48 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:11 PM)91Alum Wrote:  This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".

Quote:d) Be Ready

Our moment is coming. When Tribe Athletics’ success provides a galvanizing event, we need to be ready to fully capitalize on it. Otherwise, that moment – and the opportunities to tell William & Mary’s remarkable story, strengthen its brand, and enthuse our community –
will be lost.

I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

Yeah, I don't see a JMU connection. Has JMU had a galvanizing event?

Not sure the Natl Championship, the building of the new stadium, the 25K+ attendance of a few years ago, etc are singular galvanizing events, but we had a sh*tload of momentum and enthusiasm about the program, at least two conferences actively pressing us to join, and we pissed it away.

We weren't ready. And now we missed the boat.

Yep, There is no doubt in my mind that JMU missed the boat. It is a shame because we used to have (or at least it seemed to me) that we had much mojo. Now, not so much.

(04-11-2015 02:56 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(04-11-2015 10:53 AM)91Alum Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:48 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:11 PM)91Alum Wrote:  This little gem from Page 21 broke my freaking heart. Summed up, this pretty much reads: "Let's not get caught flat-footed and unprepared like those purple morons out west".


I mean, seriously, what the hell else could this be referring to?

The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

Yeah, I don't see a JMU connection. Has JMU had a galvanizing event?

Not sure the Natl Championship, the building of the new stadium, the 25K+ attendance of a few years ago, etc are singular galvanizing events, but we had a sh*tload of momentum and enthusiasm about the program, at least two conferences actively pressing us to join, and we pissed it away.

We weren't ready. And now we missed the boat.

Yep, There is no doubt in my mind that JMU missed the boat. It is a shame because we used to have (or at least it seemed to me) that we had much mojo. Now, not so much.

If you think about it, when we had the mojo, we were at our lowest point in MBB. We have brought MBB up a notch and I think next year will prove to be one of our best under MB. I am also feeling good about FB and believe we can win a couple playoff games next year. These two things should lift us back to a respectable level. Maybe not the mojo of a championship or the attention getter of kicking Tech around, but I believe we will be able to hold our heads high during the 2015 - 2016 school year.

(04-11-2015 04:20 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(04-11-2015 02:56 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(04-11-2015 10:53 AM)91Alum Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:48 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 02:28 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  The grand unveiling of the next Homecoming T-shirt design?!?

Yeah, I don't see a JMU connection. Has JMU had a galvanizing event?

Not sure the Natl Championship, the building of the new stadium, the 25K+ attendance of a few years ago, etc are singular galvanizing events, but we had a sh*tload of momentum and enthusiasm about the program, at least two conferences actively pressing us to join, and we pissed it away.

We weren't ready. And now we missed the boat.

Yep, There is no doubt in my mind that JMU missed the boat. It is a shame because we used to have (or at least it seemed to me) that we had much mojo. Now, not so much.

If you think about it, when we had the mojo, we were at our lowest point in MBB. We have brought MBB up a notch and I think next year will prove to be one of our best under MB. I am also feeling good about FB and believe we can win a couple playoff games next year. These two things should lift us back to a respectable level. Maybe not the mojo of a championship or the attention getter of kicking Tech around, but I believe we will be able to hold our heads high during the 2015 - 2016 school year.

You are probably right on the teams next year, they could have very good seasons. That will be good and hopefully sparks something. I believe Withers has mojo. Brady not so much. The JMU leadership - no... they were caught totally unprepared for change last go around, but, that has all been said before....