(04-10-2015 01:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:41 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  For those that have a college degree or masters, just how stressful can your job actually be? Outside of manual labor or maybe running your own business they all have their ups and downs I would think. And the hours for teachers are no different than any other job. For instance many of my friends work a typical 9-5, and while technically teachers can leave at 3 we have to be at work at 7 at my school.

Teachers are underpaid here, but I dont see how you can expect too much as you work 9 months out of the year. However not all of us bull **** during the summer like jonesing says. A lot of us work another job on top of having basketball and football every day for workouts/camps/scrimmages etc. Sure I love doing what I do and thats a reason I wanted to get into coaching

Where are these 9 to 5 jobs? 7 to 3? Figuring an hour for lunch that's not even a 40 hour work week.

9-530/6 not a huge difference. Teachers arent going into work at 9 and getting off at 230 like many want to believe

How did we get into this Converstion?


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(04-10-2015 01:41 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  Teachers are underpaid here, but I dont see how you can expect too much as you work 9 months out of the year. However not all of us bull **** during the summer like jonesing says. A lot of us work another job on top of having basketball and football every day for workouts/camps/scrimmages etc. Sure I love doing what I do and thats a reason I wanted to get into coaching

We'll most of the upstanding grown men with family's that are teachers I've known in my life seem to have something else going on the side or were football coaches. I was taking about a couple of my dick friends in their 20's at the time.

Women are women, I guess most men like to be working towards something or trying to build something and I guess if you are in coaching that's something to work towards in the summers and build that's rewarding.

(04-10-2015 01:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:41 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  For those that have a college degree or masters, just how stressful can your job actually be? Outside of manual labor or maybe running your own business they all have their ups and downs I would think. And the hours for teachers are no different than any other job. For instance many of my friends work a typical 9-5, and while technically teachers can leave at 3 we have to be at work at 7 at my school.

Teachers are underpaid here, but I dont see how you can expect too much as you work 9 months out of the year. However not all of us bull **** during the summer like jonesing says. A lot of us work another job on top of having basketball and football every day for workouts/camps/scrimmages etc. Sure I love doing what I do and thats a reason I wanted to get into coaching

Where are these 9 to 5 jobs? 7 to 3? Figuring an hour for lunch that's not even a 40 hour work week.

LOL, thinking Teacher go home at 3 when school lets out and that they get an hour Lunch. Or that they don't do work at home. Oh, yeah and those after school activities for students, athletic events they work. Some have no clue how hard teachers actually work or how many hours they put into it.

(04-12-2015 04:55 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:41 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  For those that have a college degree or masters, just how stressful can your job actually be? Outside of manual labor or maybe running your own business they all have their ups and downs I would think. And the hours for teachers are no different than any other job. For instance many of my friends work a typical 9-5, and while technically teachers can leave at 3 we have to be at work at 7 at my school.

Teachers are underpaid here, but I dont see how you can expect too much as you work 9 months out of the year. However not all of us bull **** during the summer like jonesing says. A lot of us work another job on top of having basketball and football every day for workouts/camps/scrimmages etc. Sure I love doing what I do and thats a reason I wanted to get into coaching

Where are these 9 to 5 jobs? 7 to 3? Figuring an hour for lunch that's not even a 40 hour work week.

LOL, thinking Teacher go home at 3 when school lets out and that they get an hour Lunch. Or that they don't do work at home. Oh, yeah and those after school activities for students, athletic events they work. Some have no clue how hard teachers actually work or how many hours they put into it.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/annotate...acts-2011/

6 hours required a day with a 40 minute lunch break per this Ohio contract. They have planning periods where there are not students too or PE etc I'm sure.

190 days days of work a year is typical.

If they teach the same classes as most presumably would they would have lesson plans and know the material well. Math and others would probably have scantrons. I could be a very easy job and is for many people.

Average teacher salary is like 44k nationwide. That's like 40 bucks and hour. Hard to feel to bad for them, pension and all that too and only have to work for 30 years to retire.

40 bucks and hour with no risk like business owners take on and all the retirement and benefits guranteed, minimal education really unlike a lawyer or doctor would dump 10's of thousands more in education debt just to get those jobs. Nice gig IMO.

(04-12-2015 05:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 04:55 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:41 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  For those that have a college degree or masters, just how stressful can your job actually be? Outside of manual labor or maybe running your own business they all have their ups and downs I would think. And the hours for teachers are no different than any other job. For instance many of my friends work a typical 9-5, and while technically teachers can leave at 3 we have to be at work at 7 at my school.

Teachers are underpaid here, but I dont see how you can expect too much as you work 9 months out of the year. However not all of us bull **** during the summer like jonesing says. A lot of us work another job on top of having basketball and football every day for workouts/camps/scrimmages etc. Sure I love doing what I do and thats a reason I wanted to get into coaching

Where are these 9 to 5 jobs? 7 to 3? Figuring an hour for lunch that's not even a 40 hour work week.

LOL, thinking Teacher go home at 3 when school lets out and that they get an hour Lunch. Or that they don't do work at home. Oh, yeah and those after school activities for students, athletic events they work. Some have no clue how hard teachers actually work or how many hours they put into it.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/annotate...acts-2011/

6 hours required a day with a 40 minute lunch break per this Ohio contract.

190 days days of work a year is typical.

If they teach the same classes as most presumably would they would have lesson plans and know the material well. Math and others would probably have scantrons. I could be a very easy job and is for many people.

Average teacher salary is like 44k nationwide. That's like 40 bucks and hour. Hard to feel to bad for them, pension and all that too and only have to work for 30 years to retire.

Don't try to use stats, . They don't teach the same classes, back to back. Same subjects, but, no not the same class. Then you have to grade the work, ever try reading 30 different hand writings, multiply that times 4 classes or 7 in some school's classes. Average national salary? Ohio is not NC, and FYI, NC ranks 48 out of 50 in teacher pay. Hell, teacher pay in NC tops out average at 45k just 1k above the national average.

(04-12-2015 05:26 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Don't try to use stats, . They don't teach the same classes, back to back. Same subjects, but, no not the same class.

That they teach at the same times year after year. Give me a break. Most of these bastards probably are so bored with the crap it's a joke and would love to get a different class.

Quote:Then you have to grade the work, ever try reading 30 different hand writings, multiply that times 4 classes or 7 in some school's classes.

Planning period? Math teachers? Multiple choice test? I'm sure I never had any of those in high school and the stupid english teacher that makes you write these long essays deserves any time consuming crap to have to grade them and going into that field and assigning them. Boy those heath and PE teachers sure seemed to be working hard all the time.

Quote:Average national salary? Ohio is not NC, and FYI, NC ranks 48 out of 50 in teacher pay. Hell, teacher pay in NC tops out average at 45k just 1k above the national average.

Depends on where you are at. Some counties appear to get paid the nation average even the median income in rural counties is like 34k. Still good money for there.

Everyone shed a tear for the poor teachers while you work an extra 3 months and 2 hours a day.

(04-12-2015 04:55 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:41 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  For those that have a college degree or masters, just how stressful can your job actually be? Outside of manual labor or maybe running your own business they all have their ups and downs I would think. And the hours for teachers are no different than any other job. For instance many of my friends work a typical 9-5, and while technically teachers can leave at 3 we have to be at work at 7 at my school.

Teachers are underpaid here, but I dont see how you can expect too much as you work 9 months out of the year. However not all of us bull **** during the summer like jonesing says. A lot of us work another job on top of having basketball and football every day for workouts/camps/scrimmages etc. Sure I love doing what I do and thats a reason I wanted to get into coaching

Where are these 9 to 5 jobs? 7 to 3? Figuring an hour for lunch that's not even a 40 hour work week.

LOL, thinking Teacher go home at 3 when school lets out and that they get an hour Lunch. Or that they don't do work at home. Oh, yeah and those after school activities for students, athletic events they work. Some have no clue how hard teachers actually work or how many hours they put into it.

That's what the teacher just said he did. Take it up with him.

(04-12-2015 05:26 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 05:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-12-2015 04:55 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:41 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  For those that have a college degree or masters, just how stressful can your job actually be? Outside of manual labor or maybe running your own business they all have their ups and downs I would think. And the hours for teachers are no different than any other job. For instance many of my friends work a typical 9-5, and while technically teachers can leave at 3 we have to be at work at 7 at my school.

Teachers are underpaid here, but I dont see how you can expect too much as you work 9 months out of the year. However not all of us bull **** during the summer like jonesing says. A lot of us work another job on top of having basketball and football every day for workouts/camps/scrimmages etc. Sure I love doing what I do and thats a reason I wanted to get into coaching

Where are these 9 to 5 jobs? 7 to 3? Figuring an hour for lunch that's not even a 40 hour work week.

LOL, thinking Teacher go home at 3 when school lets out and that they get an hour Lunch. Or that they don't do work at home. Oh, yeah and those after school activities for students, athletic events they work. Some have no clue how hard teachers actually work or how many hours they put into it.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/annotate...acts-2011/

6 hours required a day with a 40 minute lunch break per this Ohio contract.

190 days days of work a year is typical.

If they teach the same classes as most presumably would they would have lesson plans and know the material well. Math and others would probably have scantrons. I could be a very easy job and is for many people.

Average teacher salary is like 44k nationwide. That's like 40 bucks and hour. Hard to feel to bad for them, pension and all that too and only have to work for 30 years to retire.

Don't try to use stats, . They don't teach the same classes, back to back. Same subjects, but, no not the same class. Then you have to grade the work, ever try reading 30 different hand writings, multiply that times 4 classes or 7 in some school's classes. Average national salary? Ohio is not NC, and FYI, NC ranks 48 out of 50 in teacher pay. Hell, teacher pay in NC tops out average at 45k just 1k above the national average.

.., all the more reason to not teach here. Seriously, why would you at that sorry salary? 4 years of university for that? Pffftt...

(04-12-2015 05:57 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:   .., all the more reason to not teach here. Seriously, why would you at that sorry salary? 4 years of university for that? Pffftt...

Yeah but it's relative. They are probably making like 30 bucks an hour at least for the time they do actually work and it's a secure job with minimal stresses and good benefits. I can see the value in it. Not sure what else they really expect. If you didn't want to snooze around the other 2 or 3 months or go on home at 4 o'clock you could probably find another 2nd job. Like you said a landscaping business is seasonal and would fit right in to the summer just as an example if you wanted to pick up extra money.

There are plenty of lazy PE teachers Jonesing that just coast by but that can probably be said with any profession. Finding a job can be stressful, but who here really loses sleep over their job that is good paying?


IMO teachers may be a little underpaid, but again we only teach 9 months out of the year. Coaches are the ones who are really underpaid and get paid less than minimum wage if you count up all the hours we work. This probably has a negative affect on high school football in the state of NC which has a negative affect on college football in NC, as its hard to attract and retain quality coaches because of the pay. There is probably more pressure on coaches in places like SC and GA than NC, but the pay is also higher for coaches.

I cant really think of too many stressful jobs as it is unless your trying to run your own business. Those that may be more stressful/less job security than teaching will make a whole lot more money. Teachers ***** too much about the pay, but people give teachers too much **** for doing nothing and getting summers off.


Id rather coach football and basketball for a few hours in the summer and then head out and fish the river during the hours I have off. Some would rather make more money but have to sit inside an office all day. To each their own.


Depending on the county/school there is pressure to win though. There are plenty of coaches who get run out so lets act like its a stress free B.S. job. Some coaches treat it that way, but the results show. Tell Jim Bob down in havelock that his job is BS and stress free and laid back and is easy. (However anyones job could look easy with havelocks athletes lol)

Blunder, why do people become cops, or join the military. They too are crappy jobs when you at and also for little pay. Why do they do it? They want to teach, they feel passionate about ot, they feel there is need. They feel they can make a difference. Same with cops, military service mem and women, amd fire fighters. And someone has to.

(04-10-2015 01:41 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  For those that have a college degree or masters, just how stressful can your job actually be? Outside of manual labor or maybe running your own business they all have their ups and downs I would think. And the hours for teachers are no different than any other job. For instance many of my friends work a typical 9-5, and while technically teachers can leave at 3 we have to be at work at 7 at my school.

Teachers are underpaid here, but I dont see how you can expect too much as you work 9 months out of the year. However not all of us bull **** during the summer like jonesing says. A lot of us work another job on top of having basketball and football every day for workouts/camps/scrimmages etc. Sure I love doing what I do and thats a reason I wanted to get into coaching

I work a second job in the summer at the beach for $8.00 an hour. This job starts before school gets out and goes until mid August. I coached high school football in NC for 20 years. I got $470 for coaching JV football my first year and I made $1800 as an assistant varsity coach the last year I coached. I put in a lot of hours for that coaching money. Right now I only coach indoor track. I get paid almost as much for that in 1/3 of the time.

(04-13-2015 10:49 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Blunder, why do people become cops, or join the military. They too are crappy jobs when you at and also for little pay. Why do they do it? They want to teach, they feel passionate about ot, they feel there is need. They feel they can make a difference. Same with cops, military service mem and women, amd fire fighters. And someone has to.

I don't have a problem with any of that. I think it's great when people want to make a difference. I've done stuff on the side for charity that I hope is making a difference.

The problem I have is when people make these career choices knowing the salary and then ***** about it after the fact. Another thing that always seems to get ignored is the fact that most of these public sector jobs have better benefits that offset some of their low salary. I think being a teacher is a fantastic job for a 2nd family income, especially for a mother with school aged children.

Bottom line for me is that life is all about personal choices. I mean, if teachers have it so bad in NC, just go somewhere else.

(04-13-2015 11:44 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:49 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Blunder, why do people become cops, or join the military. They too are crappy jobs when you at and also for little pay. Why do they do it? They want to teach, they feel passionate about ot, they feel there is need. They feel they can make a difference. Same with cops, military service mem and women, amd fire fighters. And someone has to.

I don't have a problem with any of that. I think it's great when people want to make a difference. I've done stuff on the side for charity that I hope is making a difference.

The problem I have is when people make these career choices knowing the salary and then ***** about it after the fact. Another thing that always seems to get ignored is the fact that most of these public sector jobs have better benefits that offset some of their low salary. I think being a teacher is a fantastic job for a 2nd family income, especially for a mother with school aged children.

Bottom line for me is that life is all about personal choices. I mean, if teachers have it so bad in NC, just go somewhere else.

You'd ****** to if you have had a raise in over 8 years.

Many have, Houston Public Schools did a job fair in Raleigh last year, just two days. They recruited some 340 teachers from NC to pick up and move. They got on average a 10,800 year raise.

Also, that doesn't help the issue NC is facing, teachers leaving only makes matters worse. And, we can't fall too much further in the national ranking in education, currently ranked 46th. Investing in education is investing in the state's future.

(04-13-2015 07:50 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 11:44 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:49 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Blunder, why do people become cops, or join the military. They too are crappy jobs when you at and also for little pay. Why do they do it? They want to teach, they feel passionate about ot, they feel there is need. They feel they can make a difference. Same with cops, military service mem and women, amd fire fighters. And someone has to.

I don't have a problem with any of that. I think it's great when people want to make a difference. I've done stuff on the side for charity that I hope is making a difference.

The problem I have is when people make these career choices knowing the salary and then ***** about it after the fact. Another thing that always seems to get ignored is the fact that most of these public sector jobs have better benefits that offset some of their low salary. I think being a teacher is a fantastic job for a 2nd family income, especially for a mother with school aged children.

Bottom line for me is that life is all about personal choices. I mean, if teachers have it so bad in NC, just go somewhere else.

You'd ****** to if you have had a raise in over 8 years.

Many have, Houston Public Schools did a job fair in Raleigh last year, just two days. They recruited some 340 teachers from NC to pick up and move. They got on average a 10,800 year raise.

Also, that doesn't help the issue NC is facing, teachers leaving only makes matters worse. And, we can't fall too much further in the national ranking in education, currently ranked 46th. Investing in education is investing in the state's future.

So now that we have covered politics, education and places to live how about basketball? We just lost our best player leaving early for the pros. Who could we pick up this late in the game. I think we really need a pure shooter to play next year. Any ideas on who Lebo will go after?

Nope. Our best player, Tyson, is still on the team. This could be a chance to balance our guard heavy rotation. Imho, we need an experienced big of we can get one eligible to play right away.

Player Efficiency Rating

1. Yanick Moreira SMU 24.3
2. Austin Nichols Memphis 24.1
3. Amida Brimah Connecticut 23.8
4. Ryan Boatright Connecticut 23.4
5. Octavius Ellis Cincinnati 23.0
6. Gary Clark Cincinnati 22.9
7. B.J. Tyson East Carolina 21.9
8. Will Cummings Temple 21.4
9. Shaquille Harrison Tulsa 21.4
10. Shaq Goodwin Memphis 21.1
11. Trahson Burrell Memphis 20.6
12. Corey Allen South Fla. 19.6
13. Nic Moore SMU 19.3
14. Jaylen Bond Temple 17.8
15. Ben Moore SMU 17.7
16. Staphon Blair UCF 17.6
17. James Woodard Tulsa 17.5
18. Danrad Knowles Houston 17.5
19. Troy Caupain Cincinnati 17.4
20. Jay Hook Tulane 17.3


Whisnant 16.4
White 15.7

what do you expect when your on page 12 of a thread about a dude who averaged 2 ppg at louisville and hasnt even said hes coming to ECU yet lol. pretty impressive this got to 12 pages really.

On whisnant leaving though it will probably hurt tysons numbers unless he really develops a consistent outside shot. Those driving lanes that were there last year may not be there this season