(04-05-2015 11:55 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  [quote='SApuro' pid='11957367' dateline='1428293763']A 6-6 South Carolina team is likely getting 3-4 OOC wins. A FCS, G5, and lower tier P5 at a minimum. So in reality they are going 3-5 or 2-6 in conference play with one of those wins most likely being Vandy.

Peel the onion back a little bit and there isn't much sexy about an 11th place SEC team other than name recognition.

Sure there is. They've got a crap load more fans to buy tickets. One of these days you'll learn that what happens on the football field has VERY little to do with P5 separation. Until G5 programs can put 50K into stadiums at a minimum the separation will ALWAYS be there regarding bowls.

(04-04-2015 09:26 PM)lmckay92 Wrote:  I would love to punch Chuck Landon. Who gives a **** if there are too many bowls? The entire system is a crock of ****. At least Conference USA won't have anyone staying home while 5-7 big conference schools go.

Chuck Landon is a moron. How this guy can keep his job is beyond my understanding.

(04-06-2015 11:23 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 11:55 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  [quote='SApuro' pid='11957367' dateline='1428293763']A 6-6 South Carolina team is likely getting 3-4 OOC wins. A FCS, G5, and lower tier P5 at a minimum. So in reality they are going 3-5 or 2-6 in conference play with one of those wins most likely being Vandy.

Peel the onion back a little bit and there isn't much sexy about an 11th place SEC team other than name recognition.

Sure there is. They've got a crap load more fans to buy tickets. One of these days you'll learn that what happens on the football field has VERY little to do with P5 separation. Until G5 programs can put 50K into stadiums at a minimum the separation will ALWAYS be there regarding bowls.

you guys are so much closer....yeah, ummmmkay

what's mind-numbing is you live in denial....

...and I love "crap load"

(04-06-2015 12:06 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 11:23 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 11:16 PM)SApuro Wrote:  A 6-6 South Carolina team is likely getting 3-4 OOC wins. A FCS, G5, and lower tier P5 at a minimum. So in reality they are going 3-5 or 2-6 in conference play with one of those wins most likely being Vandy.

Peel the onion back a little bit and there isn't much sexy about an 11th place SEC team other than name recognition.

Sure there is. They've got a crap load more fans to buy tickets. One of these days you'll learn that what happens on the football field has VERY little to do with P5 separation. Until G5 programs can put 50K into stadiums at a minimum the separation will ALWAYS be there regarding bowls.

you guys are so much closer....yeah, ummmmkay

what's mind-numbing is you live in denial....

...and I love "crap load"

Me in denial? I'm talking about every fan of a G5 school, ECU included. There's a lot of folks in denial about why the P5 has a monopoly on the "good bowls". It's because they have more fans to buy tickets. It's not a charity but you're smart enough to know that.

(04-05-2015 03:49 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 03:33 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 03:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 02:28 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 06:45 AM)Herd_fever Wrote:  Did you play sports?? How is it meaningless to get extra practices and an extra game to finish your season. You are speaking like your opinion matters any. Now when Rice goes back to 6-6 records, I'll be sure you want to go to bowl games. Name a college coach or a senior who would rant those extra 15-20 practices and an extra game to finish the season. The bowl games aren't for the fans, they are for the players. I'm sure UAB and MTSU would have loved to be in a bowl game this year

Yes, I did play sports, and no, my opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's here. I don't dispute that it's helpful to improving a program and that it means a lot to the players. I just feel that a 6-6 team doesn't deserve a bowl, even if it's Rice. A 6-6 record is not a winning record, and teams with that record should sit home. If you don't agree with my opinion, don't read my post.

and if you don't agree with 6-6 teams going to bowls...don't attend...but don't try to take away from the enjoyment for the players, coaches, and fans that do attend, and do care.

I bet Temple and MTSU wouldn't have turned up their nose at Little Rock (LR bowl) or Orlando (cure bowl)

It's just my opinion, like everyone else's. Quit being so sensitive.

It has nothing to do with sensitivity, and everything to do with having to take a 5 year, unwanted break from bowl games...It makes you appreciate the bowl experience even more.

Miami was freaking sweet!

What you "want" and what you deserve are two very different things. No program "wants" a 5-year break from a bowl game, but that's what poor performance deserves. And quit coming over here gloating about one big championship that your football program finally won. Congratulations. It's about time you guys did something in football, especially since your basketball is falling off.

(04-05-2015 11:55 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 11:16 PM)SApuro Wrote:  A 6-6 South Carolina team is likely getting 3-4 OOC wins. A FCS, G5, and lower tier P5 at a minimum. So in reality they are going 3-5 or 2-6 in conference play with one of those wins most likely being Vandy.

Peel the onion back a little bit and there isn't much sexy about an 11th place SEC team other than name recognition.

Well aware of that, dude. But my point is that a team like South Carolina, that's 3-5 in the SEC, would likely be 6-2 or better in most any G5. And C-USA's best would be .500 at best in the SEC.

Only name recognition? Teams that have name recognition have that name recognition because they earned it. Not Sexy? There's a reason why every time a G5 gets a transfer from a P5 (even if they're just a 2nd or 3rd string on the team), they get all giddy over it. Those teams are FAR more loaded across the board than C-USA schools are, so it's not just name recognition, but also a big talent discrepancy. $$$ rules collegiate athletics and the P5s have it. As a result, they have the best coaches, facilities, and sometimes players, that money can buy. Let's also not forget that those teams are on national TV (on major networks) every week. And as we know, as if all the other exposure isn't enough, the SEC even has their own network. Recruits are all over that! Aside from the teams on the very bottom of the P5 barrels, those programs recruit themselves.

You sound like a UT fan. Only fat cats allowed huh.

Does Boise St. have the same resources that any PAC-12 team has? Yet every year they manage to stomp a mud hole in them.

A 6-6 Kentucky team isn't more impressive to me than a 6-6 MAC team in my eyes.

(04-06-2015 08:09 PM)SApuro Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 11:55 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 11:16 PM)SApuro Wrote:  A 6-6 South Carolina team is likely getting 3-4 OOC wins. A FCS, G5, and lower tier P5 at a minimum. So in reality they are going 3-5 or 2-6 in conference play with one of those wins most likely being Vandy.

Peel the onion back a little bit and there isn't much sexy about an 11th place SEC team other than name recognition.

Well aware of that, dude. But my point is that a team like South Carolina, that's 3-5 in the SEC, would likely be 6-2 or better in most any G5. And C-USA's best would be .500 at best in the SEC.

Only name recognition? Teams that have name recognition have that name recognition because they earned it. Not Sexy? There's a reason why every time a G5 gets a transfer from a P5 (even if they're just a 2nd or 3rd string on the team), they get all giddy over it. Those teams are FAR more loaded across the board than C-USA schools are, so it's not just name recognition, but also a big talent discrepancy. $$$ rules collegiate athletics and the P5s have it. As a result, they have the best coaches, facilities, and sometimes players, that money can buy. Let's also not forget that those teams are on national TV (on major networks) every week. And as we know, as if all the other exposure isn't enough, the SEC even has their own network. Recruits are all over that! Aside from the teams on the very bottom of the P5 barrels, those programs recruit themselves.

You sound like a UT fan. Only fat cats allowed huh.

Does Boise St. have the same resources that any PAC-12 team has? Yet every year they manage to stomp a mud hole in them.

A 6-6 Kentucky team isn't more impressive to me than a 6-6 MAC team in my eyes.

You're absolutely right. Boise State does do that. Hell, I took up for Boise State on our own http://www.rowdytalk.com in a thread just over a month ago when a fellow Roadrunner actually disagreed with an ESPN article ranking Boise State's program as a Top 5 Group of Five Coaching Job. I stated on there that Boise State is 17-18 against P5 competition since 2000, which includes 4-2 against the Big 12 and 9-7 against the PAC 12. Their roughly .500 record against P5 competition proves my point though. Did I or did I not say that C-USA's strongest would be .500 at best in a conference like the SEC? I didn't pull that out of thin air. Mind you, BSU is 150-10 against sub-P5 programs in the same span. HUGE discrepancy there! lol

When even a program like Boise State can only manage to go .500 against P5 competition, that should tell you something. Yes, they do beat some big boys, and I respect them for it. But they're the exception to the rule, and you know that. You also know that there will always be outliers in sports who defy odds. What I said still holds true for the overwhelming majority of programs out there though.

As for a 6-6 Kentucky team not being more impressive than a 6-6 MAC team, a 5-7 Kentucky beat a 6-6 Ohio 20-3 last year. You don't really think Ohio would wind up with 6 wins in a season if they faced an SEC schedule, do you? Put Florida, South Carolina, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Georgia, and Tennessee on Ohio's schedule, and you'll find they'll probably be lucky to come out with 3 wins in the entire season.

Lastly, I have a very high dislike for UT, but I'm also not a homer, and always try to give you my objective opinion. That's all this is.

Much like everything else in college sports, the entire concept of what a bowl game is has changed. Yeah, it used to be a coveted reward for having a great season. Used. To. Be. Now, it's just something to fill a time slot on TV. I hate that's what it's come to, but it is what it is, and it's not all bad having the option of watching football on any given night when I'm staying with my in-laws' over Christmas and getting the chance to see a lot of schools I haven't paid any attention to during the regular season.

It's not like this happened overnight, either. The SEC, Big Ten, etc., have been contracting bids for their 7th & 8th place teams for years. The beneficiaries of more bowls at this point are the schools who would otherwise be passed over in favor of the bigger name with the bigger following. I'm not going to apologize for my conference having as many tie-ins as someone else's.

(04-06-2015 04:20 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 03:49 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 03:33 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 03:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 02:28 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Yes, I did play sports, and no, my opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's here. I don't dispute that it's helpful to improving a program and that it means a lot to the players. I just feel that a 6-6 team doesn't deserve a bowl, even if it's Rice. A 6-6 record is not a winning record, and teams with that record should sit home. If you don't agree with my opinion, don't read my post.

and if you don't agree with 6-6 teams going to bowls...don't attend...but don't try to take away from the enjoyment for the players, coaches, and fans that do attend, and do care.

I bet Temple and MTSU wouldn't have turned up their nose at Little Rock (LR bowl) or Orlando (cure bowl)

It's just my opinion, like everyone else's. Quit being so sensitive.

It has nothing to do with sensitivity, and everything to do with having to take a 5 year, unwanted break from bowl games...It makes you appreciate the bowl experience even more.

Miami was freaking sweet!

What you "want" and what you deserve are two very different things. No program "wants" a 5-year break from a bowl game, but that's what poor performance deserves. And quit coming over here gloating about one big championship that your football program finally won. Congratulations. It's about time you guys did something in football, especially since your basketball is falling off.

If a bowl game wants you, you deserve to be there...and taking an unwanted break should remind you of that (like USM is currently on)...you simply sound like an angry, negative USM fan, that isn't handling realignment, and losing very well.

Moreover, I wouldn't call one 18 win season "falling off"....besides, cavalry is on the way.

http://memphis.247sports.com/Season/2015...ll/Commits

Once again you prove why I root for U of Memphis to fall into the Mississippi River on a daily basis.

(04-07-2015 10:04 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Once again you prove why I root for U of Memphis to fall into the Mississippi River on a daily basis.

we have towels in Memphis ;-)

(04-07-2015 10:09 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 10:04 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Once again you prove why I root for U of Memphis to fall into the Mississippi River on a daily basis.

we have towels in Memphis ;-)

With the river current you will need them in Vicksburg.