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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-04-2015 09:39 PM)Afflicted Wrote: It doesn't matter to me what viewership studies say. I'm sure the demand is there. The problem I have is that it's meaningless to go to a bowl these days because everone goes to one. Programs are supposed to go through "dry spells" and sit at home if they aren't good enough. It makes it all that much more rewarding when they do get a 7th win and qualify. 6-6 teams are average and they shouldn't be in bowl games. I can't wait for the day that a bowl can't find a qualified team. It's only a matter of time.
Did you play sports?? How is it meaningless to get extra practices and an extra game to finish your season. You are speaking like your opinion matters any. Now when Rice goes back to 6-6 records, I'll be sure you want to go to bowl games. Name a college coach or a senior who would rant those extra 15-20 practices and an extra game to finish the season. The bowl games aren't for the fans, they are for the players. I'm sure UAB and MTSU would have loved to be in a bowl game this year
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-04-2015 12:13 PM)Saint Greg Wrote: (04-04-2015 11:28 AM)USMSTUD Wrote: (04-04-2015 11:09 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (04-04-2015 10:56 AM)HeadsetGuy Wrote: An angle that gets missed in all of this discussion...who wants (and needs) these bowl games?...Sports Networks need programming; especially live programming which is more lucrative to advertisers in this Tivo era...two 6-6 teams on Dec 19 will out draw 95% of any other programming on a channel that day...Fox and CBS are in chase mode of ESPN and when ASN and NBC start to fill out programming hours, there may be more games to come...the same argument could be said of pre-season MBB tourneys on TV, the CBI and CIT, spring football games televised and midnight madness coverage...if you think the days of 8-14 bowl games is better, TV$ says much different things
so you are a proponent of saturation?
ummmmmkay, that's meaningful
it's always about dollars....
dollars doesn't equate to satisfactory viewing in my world....
I have no choice, but to roll with it....
....doesn't mean I have to like it....
The only people that like all these bowl games are TV networks, coaches that get bonuses for making a bowl, and fat cats on the bowl committee getting a check.
If that were true nobody would watch the games and the TV networks wouldn't want them.
nobody is arguing the money factor
it's the satisfaction gained that is lost in all of this
there is no doubt this is due to lack of programming and more eyes on the tube
from a personal level, saturation renders interest worthless
if it wasn't for bowl pools (akin to fantasy football), interest amongst the masses would most certainly dwindle....
commercialization has ruined college football for me....
I am unwilling to buy-in to this 'all-get-ribbons' concept....
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-04-2015 10:34 AM)stinkfist Wrote: the day where everyone gets a ribbon has finally arrived...
just wow...
Remember that when a 6-6 USM accepts a bowl bid...
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-04-2015 11:28 AM)USMSTUD Wrote: (04-04-2015 11:09 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (04-04-2015 10:56 AM)HeadsetGuy Wrote: An angle that gets missed in all of this discussion...who wants (and needs) these bowl games?...Sports Networks need programming; especially live programming which is more lucrative to advertisers in this Tivo era...two 6-6 teams on Dec 19 will out draw 95% of any other programming on a channel that day...Fox and CBS are in chase mode of ESPN and when ASN and NBC start to fill out programming hours, there may be more games to come...the same argument could be said of pre-season MBB tourneys on TV, the CBI and CIT, spring football games televised and midnight madness coverage...if you think the days of 8-14 bowl games is better, TV$ says much different things
so you are a proponent of saturation?
ummmmmkay, that's meaningful
it's always about dollars....
dollars doesn't equate to satisfactory viewing in my world....
I have no choice, but to roll with it....
....doesn't mean I have to like it....
The only people that like all these bowl games are TV networks, coaches that get bonuses for making a bowl, and fat cats on the bowl committee getting a check.
I love how you leave out the players who get a free trip and another game...and the fans who travel to watch.
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
I seem to remember how, every year, someone gets left out who otherwise would KILL for an invite (last year maybe MTSU????) but -- nevertheless -- sits at home over the holidays. And the rest of us gnash our teeth and bemoan how someone got robbed (again, cue the Blue Raiders) over someone else's gain. It's not the 6-6 P5 school that is sitting at home, but one of our gang. So why not fix it...and if that means more bowls, so be it. Wouldn't it be nice that those who abide by the rules, get the reward, rather than being left out.
That could be any of us, in any given year, and I'm sure that the players will appreciate the reward of another game...almost anywhere. And our fans generally do as well.
C-USA ensures that no one loses any money on bowls, so what's the big deal? I say, let 'em play.
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 06:45 AM)Herd_fever Wrote: (04-04-2015 09:39 PM)Afflicted Wrote: It doesn't matter to me what viewership studies say. I'm sure the demand is there. The problem I have is that it's meaningless to go to a bowl these days because everone goes to one. Programs are supposed to go through "dry spells" and sit at home if they aren't good enough. It makes it all that much more rewarding when they do get a 7th win and qualify. 6-6 teams are average and they shouldn't be in bowl games. I can't wait for the day that a bowl can't find a qualified team. It's only a matter of time.
Did you play sports?? How is it meaningless to get extra practices and an extra game to finish your season. You are speaking like your opinion matters any. Now when Rice goes back to 6-6 records, I'll be sure you want to go to bowl games. Name a college coach or a senior who would rant those extra 15-20 practices and an extra game to finish the season. The bowl games aren't for the fans, they are for the players. I'm sure UAB and MTSU would have loved to be in a bowl game this year
Yes, I did play sports, and no, my opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's here. I don't dispute that it's helpful to improving a program and that it means a lot to the players. I just feel that a 6-6 team doesn't deserve a bowl, even if it's Rice. A 6-6 record is not a winning record, and teams with that record should sit home. If you don't agree with my opinion, don't read my post.
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 02:28 PM)Afflicted Wrote: (04-05-2015 06:45 AM)Herd_fever Wrote: (04-04-2015 09:39 PM)Afflicted Wrote: It doesn't matter to me what viewership studies say. I'm sure the demand is there. The problem I have is that it's meaningless to go to a bowl these days because everone goes to one. Programs are supposed to go through "dry spells" and sit at home if they aren't good enough. It makes it all that much more rewarding when they do get a 7th win and qualify. 6-6 teams are average and they shouldn't be in bowl games. I can't wait for the day that a bowl can't find a qualified team. It's only a matter of time.
Did you play sports?? How is it meaningless to get extra practices and an extra game to finish your season. You are speaking like your opinion matters any. Now when Rice goes back to 6-6 records, I'll be sure you want to go to bowl games. Name a college coach or a senior who would rant those extra 15-20 practices and an extra game to finish the season. The bowl games aren't for the fans, they are for the players. I'm sure UAB and MTSU would have loved to be in a bowl game this year
Yes, I did play sports, and no, my opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's here. I don't dispute that it's helpful to improving a program and that it means a lot to the players. I just feel that a 6-6 team doesn't deserve a bowl, even if it's Rice. A 6-6 record is not a winning record, and teams with that record should sit home. If you don't agree with my opinion, don't read my post.
and if you don't agree with 6-6 teams going to bowls...don't attend...but don't try to take away from the enjoyment for the players, coaches, and fans that do attend, and do care.
I bet Temple and MTSU wouldn't have turned up their nose at Little Rock (LR bowl) or Orlando (cure bowl)
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 03:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: (04-05-2015 02:28 PM)Afflicted Wrote: (04-05-2015 06:45 AM)Herd_fever Wrote: (04-04-2015 09:39 PM)Afflicted Wrote: It doesn't matter to me what viewership studies say. I'm sure the demand is there. The problem I have is that it's meaningless to go to a bowl these days because everone goes to one. Programs are supposed to go through "dry spells" and sit at home if they aren't good enough. It makes it all that much more rewarding when they do get a 7th win and qualify. 6-6 teams are average and they shouldn't be in bowl games. I can't wait for the day that a bowl can't find a qualified team. It's only a matter of time.
Did you play sports?? How is it meaningless to get extra practices and an extra game to finish your season. You are speaking like your opinion matters any. Now when Rice goes back to 6-6 records, I'll be sure you want to go to bowl games. Name a college coach or a senior who would rant those extra 15-20 practices and an extra game to finish the season. The bowl games aren't for the fans, they are for the players. I'm sure UAB and MTSU would have loved to be in a bowl game this year
Yes, I did play sports, and no, my opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's here. I don't dispute that it's helpful to improving a program and that it means a lot to the players. I just feel that a 6-6 team doesn't deserve a bowl, even if it's Rice. A 6-6 record is not a winning record, and teams with that record should sit home. If you don't agree with my opinion, don't read my post.
and if you don't agree with 6-6 teams going to bowls...don't attend...but don't try to take away from the enjoyment for the players, coaches, and fans that do attend, and do care.
I bet Temple and MTSU wouldn't have turned up their nose at Little Rock (LR bowl) or Orlando (cure bowl)
It's just my opinion, like everyone else's. Quit being so sensitive.
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
Well your opinion is stupid especially coming from a fanbase of a school who has barely made it to bowl games in the history of the program
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 03:33 PM)Afflicted Wrote: (04-05-2015 03:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: (04-05-2015 02:28 PM)Afflicted Wrote: (04-05-2015 06:45 AM)Herd_fever Wrote: (04-04-2015 09:39 PM)Afflicted Wrote: It doesn't matter to me what viewership studies say. I'm sure the demand is there. The problem I have is that it's meaningless to go to a bowl these days because everone goes to one. Programs are supposed to go through "dry spells" and sit at home if they aren't good enough. It makes it all that much more rewarding when they do get a 7th win and qualify. 6-6 teams are average and they shouldn't be in bowl games. I can't wait for the day that a bowl can't find a qualified team. It's only a matter of time.
Did you play sports?? How is it meaningless to get extra practices and an extra game to finish your season. You are speaking like your opinion matters any. Now when Rice goes back to 6-6 records, I'll be sure you want to go to bowl games. Name a college coach or a senior who would rant those extra 15-20 practices and an extra game to finish the season. The bowl games aren't for the fans, they are for the players. I'm sure UAB and MTSU would have loved to be in a bowl game this year
Yes, I did play sports, and no, my opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's here. I don't dispute that it's helpful to improving a program and that it means a lot to the players. I just feel that a 6-6 team doesn't deserve a bowl, even if it's Rice. A 6-6 record is not a winning record, and teams with that record should sit home. If you don't agree with my opinion, don't read my post.
and if you don't agree with 6-6 teams going to bowls...don't attend...but don't try to take away from the enjoyment for the players, coaches, and fans that do attend, and do care.
I bet Temple and MTSU wouldn't have turned up their nose at Little Rock (LR bowl) or Orlando (cure bowl)
It's just my opinion, like everyone else's. Quit being so sensitive.
It has nothing to do with sensitivity, and everything to do with having to take a 5 year, unwanted break from bowl games...It makes you appreciate the bowl experience even more.
Miami was freaking sweet!
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 03:48 PM)Herd_fever Wrote: Well your opinion is stupid especially coming from a fanbase of a school who has barely made it to bowl games in the history of the program
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04-05-2015 03:50 PM |
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
1. I was talking about the Rice fan
2. Is that your first bowl game since D'Angelo Williams donned the blue and white??
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 02:28 PM)Afflicted Wrote: I just feel that a 6-6 team doesn't deserve a bowl, even if it's Rice. A 6-6 record is not a winning record, and teams with that record should sit home. If you don't agree with my opinion, don't read my post.
I agree with you in a sense. But I've also gotta add that all 6-6 records are not created equal. A 6-6 South Carolina which faces the likes of Georgia, Auburn, Florida, Clemson, A&M, Missouri, etc. is surely head & shoulders above any 6-6 G5, and usually even any 7-5 G5. By the same token, IF (and that's a big if) UTSA were to finish 6-6 this coming season, playing Arizona, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and Colorado State in our first 4 games, I think we'd deserve a bowl bid more than a 7-5 G5 that didn't really play anyone. I'm just saying we can't go by records alone, and categorically say, as you did, that a 6-6 team should sit at home.
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
FYI I believe 7 wins should get you bowl eligible but since the rules state 6-6 then that's the rules
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 03:51 PM)Herd_fever Wrote: 1. I was talking about the Rice fan
2. Is that your first bowl game since D'Angelo Williams donned the blue and white??
1. my apologies
2. no, DeAngelo was 2003-2005 bowl games...Tommy West was able to get Memphis into bowls in 2007 (New Orleans) and 2008 (St Pete)...Memphis lost both bowls.
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04-05-2015 04:32 PM |
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 03:48 PM)Herd_fever Wrote: Well your opinion is stupid especially coming from a fanbase of a school who has barely made it to bowl games in the history of the program
I can see now why your reputation is -13. And we at Rice know what it feels like to sit at home with deserving teams. We had back-to-back 7-4 seasons in 2000 and 2001in the WAC. No bowl games both years, so don't imply that I don't know what it feels like to get snubbed. You're a juvenile and your posts reflect it.
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
I agree with you in a sense. But I've also gotta add that all 6-6 records are not created equal. A 6-6 South Carolina which faces the likes of Georgia, Auburn, Florida, Clemson, A&M, Missouri, etc. is surely head & shoulders above any 6-6 G5, and usually even any 7-5 G5. By the same token, IF (and that's a big if) UTSA were to finish 6-6 this coming season, playing Arizona, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and Colorado State in our first 4 games, I think we'd deserve a bowl bid more than a 7-5 G5 that didn't really play anyone. I'm just saying we can't go by records alone, and categorically say, as you did, that a 6-6 team should sit at home.
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A 6-6 South Carolina team is likely getting 3-4 OOC wins. A FCS, G5, and lower tier P5 at a minimum. So in reality they are going 3-5 or 2-6 in conference play with one of those wins most likely being Vandy.
Peel the onion back a little bit and there isn't much sexy about an 11th place SEC team other than name recognition.
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 04:07 PM)Herd_fever Wrote: FYI I believe 7 wins should get you bowl eligible but since the rules state 6-6 then that's the rules
So now you agree with me
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 11:16 PM)SApuro Wrote: A 6-6 South Carolina team is likely getting 3-4 OOC wins. A FCS, G5, and lower tier P5 at a minimum. So in reality they are going 3-5 or 2-6 in conference play with one of those wins most likely being Vandy.
Peel the onion back a little bit and there isn't much sexy about an 11th place SEC team other than name recognition.
Well aware of that, dude. But my point is that a team like South Carolina, that's 3-5 in the SEC, would likely be 6-2 or better in most any G5. And C-USA's best would be .500 at best in the SEC.
Only name recognition? Teams that have name recognition have that name recognition because they earned it. Not Sexy? There's a reason why every time a G5 gets a transfer from a P5 (even if they're just a 2nd or 3rd string on the team), they get all giddy over it. Those teams are FAR more loaded across the board than C-USA schools are, so it's not just name recognition, but also a big talent discrepancy. $$$ rules collegiate athletics and the P5s have it. As a result, they have the best coaches, facilities, and sometimes players, that money can buy. Let's also not forget that those teams are on national TV (on major networks) every week. And as we know, as if all the other exposure isn't enough, the SEC even has their own network. Recruits are all over that! Aside from the teams on the very bottom of the P5 barrels, those programs recruit themselves.
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RE: CUSA to have 8 bowl games this year...
(04-05-2015 04:07 PM)Herd_fever Wrote: FYI I believe 7 wins should get you bowl eligible but since the rules state 6-6 then that's the rules
I could be wrong but I think there is a clause that 5-7 teams can go to bowl games BUT ONLY IF there are no available 6-6 or better teams. If that is the case then there will soon be closer to 45 bowl games in the near future
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