(04-03-2015 07:19 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 01:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn does well for being G5.

Imagine what we could do with the advantages that the P5 programs have.

I think UConn's success in both men's and women's basketball transcends conference affiliation. P5 will truly only have meaning in terms of football for UConn. Somehow they need to leverage their success in basketball to get a spot when expansion comes around again, which I am confident they will.

Cheers,
Neil

I wish I shared your confidence.

(04-03-2015 07:16 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 06:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 10:04 AM)Maize Wrote:  The ACC has 4 of the Top 10:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-your-c...1427903905

So? The Big Ten has 7 of the top 15.

Structurally, the ACC is not built to come out on top in these types of valuations in either football or basketball, but at least they are competitive in the basketball valuations.

The B1G is the best of the conferences when combining the two money generating sports and therefore the most attractive in terms of these valuations.

Cheers,
Neil

The ACC has been and is currently working to remedy that situation though.

You are correct though about The Big Ten. I hope that doesn't come off the wrong way. I am not saying it egotistically, its just stating a fact. Actually it's just agreeing with a statement of fact from you.

Football is still the major power and more proof to that is actually in this report. Look where Penn State, Nebraska and Rutgers are. Yes, Maryland is in the top 15 but they the proof is in the other three. Basketball is where our, The Big Ten, history truly lies with. Football became a bigger deal though and thus The Big Ten has slowly shifted in that direction.

Having a conference with a lifespan of over a century certainly helps. I don't know why most folks get so angry about the reality of the situation, it's nice to see someone who doesn't mind admitting it. To the rest of us, none of this really matters. It's just entertaining to talk about.

Seriously though, the ACC will eventually achieve parity. It's basketball schools are seeing the writing on the wall in the same way that The Big Ten did. You will see, events are yet to happen. Big ones.

Yes! Purdue came in at #14.

(04-03-2015 10:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND at #104 won the ACC Tournament championship, went 32-6, made it to the Elite 8 and battled Kentucky to the wire.

I wonder what Mike Brey could do if ND gave one damn about its basketball program?

You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

(04-03-2015 03:20 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Some schools benefit from no professional competition. UConn has the Boston Celtics and NY Knicks within driving distance. That's a competitive market. And we still do well.

They may be within driving distance but they aren't a few minutes away like the Astros, Texans, Rockets and Dynamo. UConn has the whole state to itself, especially sine the Whalers left almost two decades ago.

(04-03-2015 07:19 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 01:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn does well for being G5.

Imagine what we could do with the advantages that the P5 programs have.

I think UConn's success in both men's and women's basketball transcends conference affiliation. P5 will truly only have meaning in terms of football for UConn. Somehow they need to leverage their success in basketball to get a spot when expansion comes around again, which I am confident they will.

Cheers,
Neil

UConn is a large state flagship that for many years was a full fledged major. And as you noted, it means less in basketball.

(04-04-2015 03:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 10:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND at #104 won the ACC Tournament championship, went 32-6, made it to the Elite 8 and battled Kentucky to the wire.

I wonder what Mike Brey could do if ND gave one damn about its basketball program?

You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

Georgia has no excuse...they should be a Top 25 Basketball Program.

(04-04-2015 03:28 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 10:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND at #104 won the ACC Tournament championship, went 32-6, made it to the Elite 8 and battled Kentucky to the wire.

I wonder what Mike Brey could do if ND gave one damn about its basketball program?

You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

Georgia has no excuse...they should be a Top 25 Basketball Program.

I bet they traditionally care more about Baseball than they do about Basketball.

I do think that the SEC will be seeing some major improvements in basketball in the coming years. Why? Money and desire together will be a big part of that solution.

(04-04-2015 04:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:28 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 10:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND at #104 won the ACC Tournament championship, went 32-6, made it to the Elite 8 and battled Kentucky to the wire.

I wonder what Mike Brey could do if ND gave one damn about its basketball program?

You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

Georgia has no excuse...they should be a Top 25 Basketball Program.

I bet they traditionally care more about Baseball than they do about Basketball.

I do think that the SEC will be seeing some major improvements in basketball in the coming years. Why? Money and desire together will be a big part of that solution.

True...in the SEC it is Football, Football Recruiting, Spring Football, SEC Football Media Week, Baseball and finally Basketball.

(04-04-2015 03:28 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 10:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND at #104 won the ACC Tournament championship, went 32-6, made it to the Elite 8 and battled Kentucky to the wire.

I wonder what Mike Brey could do if ND gave one damn about its basketball program?

You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

Georgia has no excuse...they should be a Top 25 Basketball Program.

There's only so many schools that can be a perennial top 25 basketball program at one time. More accurately, they should be a fringe Tournament team every other season.

(04-04-2015 05:02 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:28 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 10:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND at #104 won the ACC Tournament championship, went 32-6, made it to the Elite 8 and battled Kentucky to the wire.

I wonder what Mike Brey could do if ND gave one damn about its basketball program?

You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

Georgia has no excuse...they should be a Top 25 Basketball Program.

There's only so many schools that can be a perennial top 25 basketball program at one time. More accurately, they should be a fringe Tournament team every other season.

The main reason why I feel this way it UGa is the Flagship of that State...only 70 Miles From Atlanta...and that area produces a lot of very good Basketball players.

(04-04-2015 04:26 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:28 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 10:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND at #104 won the ACC Tournament championship, went 32-6, made it to the Elite 8 and battled Kentucky to the wire.

I wonder what Mike Brey could do if ND gave one damn about its basketball program?

You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

Georgia has no excuse...they should be a Top 25 Basketball Program.

I bet they traditionally care more about Baseball than they do about Basketball.

I do think that the SEC will be seeing some major improvements in basketball in the coming years. Why? Money and desire together will be a big part of that solution.

True...in the SEC it is Football, Football Recruiting, Spring Football, SEC Football Media Week, Baseball and finally Basketball.

I think this may be a myth for the SEC, simply because the SEC is not a dominate basketball league as a whole, outside of Kentucky, and sometimes Florida. The ACC average attendance for bb is 10,657. The SEC average attendance for bb is 10,353. That is a great average attendance for a league that doesn't care about bb as much as baseball.

(04-04-2015 05:12 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:26 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:28 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

Georgia has no excuse...they should be a Top 25 Basketball Program.

I bet they traditionally care more about Baseball than they do about Basketball.

I do think that the SEC will be seeing some major improvements in basketball in the coming years. Why? Money and desire together will be a big part of that solution.

True...in the SEC it is Football, Football Recruiting, Spring Football, SEC Football Media Week, Baseball and finally Basketball.

I think this may be a myth for the SEC, simply because the SEC is not a dominate basketball league as a whole, outside of Kentucky, and sometimes Florida. The ACC average attendance for bb is 10,657. The SEC average attendance for bb is 10,353. That is a great average attendance for a league that doesn't care about bb as much as baseball.

Just remember when I was Stationed in Louisiana...that how it was there...more media coverage was given IMO to Football and even Baseball over Basketball.

G5 schools in the top 115-

13 UConn (AAC)
35 South Florida (AAC)
45 Memphis (AAC)
49 San Diego State (MWC)
51 UNLV (MWC)
67 New Mexico (MWC)
72 Cincinnati (AAC)
73 SMU (AAC)
80 Central Florida (AAC)
88 Colorado State (MWC)
89 Nevada (MWC)
90 Temple (AAC)
92 UAB (CUSA)
93 Tulsa (AAC)
95 Houston (AAC)
97 Ohio (MAC)
98 Boise State (MWC)
99 Wyoming (MWC)
100 San Jose State (MWC)
101 Rice (CUSA)
103 Marshall (CUSA)
107 East Carolina (AAC)
108 Western Kentucky (CUSA)
111 Texas State (CUSA)
112 North Texas (CUSA)
115 UTEP (CUSA)

Totals
AAC- 10
MWC- 8
CUSA- 7
MAC- 1
SBC- 0

Georgia is not the only school that can be said about, there's plenty of Big State U's close to major metro areas that aren't always good.

(04-04-2015 05:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Georgia is not the only should that can be said about, there's plenty of Big State U's close to major metro areas that aren't always good.

Penn State, Georgia, Illinois, Cal and Rutgers are Prime Examples...

The list is innacurate as the rankings have little relation to brand value and national popularity.

E.g., Kentucky is the biggest national brand but is far below Louisville because of the latter's YUM center deal.

Kentucky and Duke are the biggest national TV draws.

(04-04-2015 05:12 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:26 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:28 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 03:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  You could ask that about any football school like Texas, USC or Georgia.

Georgia has no excuse...they should be a Top 25 Basketball Program.

I bet they traditionally care more about Baseball than they do about Basketball.

I do think that the SEC will be seeing some major improvements in basketball in the coming years. Why? Money and desire together will be a big part of that solution.

True...in the SEC it is Football, Football Recruiting, Spring Football, SEC Football Media Week, Baseball and finally Basketball.

I think this may be a myth for the SEC, simply because the SEC is not a dominate basketball league as a whole, outside of Kentucky, and sometimes Florida. The ACC average attendance for bb is 10,657. The SEC average attendance for bb is 10,353. That is a great average attendance for a league that doesn't care about bb as much as baseball.

It's not about attendance, it is about expectations.

(04-04-2015 05:26 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  G5 schools in the top 115-

13 UConn (AAC)
35 South Florida (AAC)
45 Memphis (AAC)
49 San Diego State (MWC)
51 UNLV (MWC)
67 New Mexico (MWC)
72 Cincinnati (AAC)
73 SMU (AAC)
80 Central Florida (AAC)
88 Colorado State (MWC)
89 Nevada (MWC)
90 Temple (AAC)
92 UAB (CUSA)
93 Tulsa (AAC)
95 Houston (AAC)
97 Ohio (MAC)
98 Boise State (MWC)
99 Wyoming (MWC)
100 San Jose State (MWC)
101 Rice (CUSA)
103 Marshall (CUSA)
107 East Carolina (AAC)
108 Western Kentucky (CUSA)
111 Texas State (CUSA)
112 North Texas (CUSA)
115 UTEP (CUSA)

Totals
AAC- 10
MWC- 8
CUSA- 7
MAC- 1
SBC- 0

I am honestly surprised at how low Memphis is which generally is top 10-20 in attendance in basketball mad city. I know it has dropped off a bit the past 2-3 years and maybe this is reflective of that. Either way I had expected Memphis to be closer to top 20 and not worth half of Dayton. Maybe a reality check for myself.

(04-04-2015 05:59 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 05:56 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Georgia is not the only should that can be said about, there's plenty of Big State U's close to major metro areas that aren't always good.

Penn State, Georgia, Illinois, Cal and Rutgers are Prime Examples...

Champaign, Illinois is not that close to Chicago and it certainly isn't anywhere near being a major metro area itself. Illinois is based in a small traditional college town.

Penn State isn't near to Pittsburgh nor to Philadelphia.

(04-04-2015 06:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The list is innacurate as the rankings have little relation to brand value and national popularity.

E.g., Kentucky is the biggest national brand but is far below Louisville because of the latter's YUM center deal.

Kentucky and Duke are the biggest national TV draws.

Tell it to the Wall Street Journal and Forbes...and it was like that even when Louisville played in the Old Freedom Hall..they say otherwise and they deal mainly in Business...