(03-30-2015 06:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Big 10 has 6 teams that never suck: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, Nebraska, and Michigan. But, they have 8 schools that almost always suck: Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota. We all know that occasionally one of those will sally forth, but most years they can be counted on to tank. That's why the perception isn't as sharp as it should be. But the first six could compete annually in any conference.

This may be your most ridiculous post ever. Indiana always sucks in basketball?

You must be talking football. Are you that desperate to attack The Big Ten? I think you are. This must be painful for you to see.

Nice attempt at becoming an abstract artist but that is a terrible post JR. You are trying too hard. You want to talk about "always sucking"? The SEC is full of basketball programs that almost always suck and this is basketball season. Try again.

(03-30-2015 02:52 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:52 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 12:18 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It has been one good year. This thread would have made more sense if a Big 10 team won the national championship (and I am rooting for Michigan State to win it all.)

This thread is similar to all the threads saying the SEC is done after two average bowl seasons.

Everyone points to the Big Ten being top heavy, I believe 13 out of the 14 teams had above .500 records before conference games, every conference has disparity and bottom feeders. The Big Ten just tends to see more of the comments and insults, specifically from the AAC and ACC crowds. I'm sick of it as is every Big Ten fan on this board. Even in dominate years we get called overrated and other nonsense. Making the final four, whether a 1 seed or 7 seed or 16 seed is an accomplishment and Wisconsin and Sparty both beat good teams from other major conferences to get where they are. We dont get the respect we deserve and the members here are bullied for following a Big Ten team (H1 challenges the status quo and stands up for the whole league even when he has no one on his side).

I am not arguing against the Big 10 success. I am just saying one year doesn't drastically change anything. Prior to this year, the Big 10 didn't have a whole lot of championship success recently. Again, one year doesn't change anything.

Let me guess, you want to argue that the ACC has been astoundingly better than The Big Ten?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACC%E2%80%9..._Challenge

From 2009 to 2014 The Big Ten has either tied the series or beaten The ACC. This season The Big Ten beat The ACC 8-6.

So much for your argument that The Big Ten sucked this year. Championship success? People need to get their arguments straight. Are we talking about a conference having the best team in the country as what defines being good as a conference or are we talking about a conference that is strong across the board being the defining factor?

In terms of The Big Ten vs The ACC, the Big Ten is the better conference lately across the board and the results don't lie, people do when they don't accept the results.

Maybe The Big Ten doesn't even end up with a team in the Championship game but they put two teams in The Final Four, more than anyone else. This wasn't a bad year for The Big Ten. They won the Big Ten vs ACC challenge, maintaining their status in the challenge and now they have a shot at having an all Big Ten Championship game. That is not representative of a conference that sucks.

Next!

Since 1980, the Big East (before it imploded) and ACC were always the best teams in March Madness. No one else was even close. And the Big 10 has had the worst winning percentage in March of any major conference.

But this year they look good. Very impressive.

(03-30-2015 07:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Since 1980, the Big East (before it imploded) and ACC were always the best teams in March Madness. No one else was even close. And the Big 10 has had the worst winning percentage in March of any major conference.

But this year they look good. Very impressive.

Way to live in the past. Those years only matter to those whom stick their head in the sand in order to "live in the past". That's a little geological joke for you.

The Big Ten hasn't been beaten by The ACC for six years in their challenge. The Big East? It doesn't even exist anymore as an entity remotely comparable to what it was during the years that you are referencing.

(03-30-2015 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Since 1980, the Big East (before it imploded) and ACC were always the best teams in March Madness. No one else was even close. And the Big 10 has had the worst winning percentage in March of any major conference.

But this year they look good. Very impressive.

Way to live in the past. Those years only matter to those whom stick their head in the sand in order to "live in the past". That's a little geological joke for you.

The Big Ten hasn't been beaten by The ACC for six years in their challenge. The Big East? It doesn't even exist anymore as an entity remotely comparable to what it was during the years that you are referencing.

Not so much living in the past as just putting everything in perspective. The Big East was the best basketball conference from the mid-1980's until it broke up in 2013. But I guess you're right, that's history.

I think the Big 10 is doing really well in basketball now. They filled the void when the Big East broke up. Big 10 football has improved recently, too. And hockey is starting up.

If I was a Big 10 fan, I'd be really happy about the future.

(03-30-2015 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 02:52 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:52 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 12:18 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It has been one good year. This thread would have made more sense if a Big 10 team won the national championship (and I am rooting for Michigan State to win it all.)

This thread is similar to all the threads saying the SEC is done after two average bowl seasons.

Everyone points to the Big Ten being top heavy, I believe 13 out of the 14 teams had above .500 records before conference games, every conference has disparity and bottom feeders. The Big Ten just tends to see more of the comments and insults, specifically from the AAC and ACC crowds. I'm sick of it as is every Big Ten fan on this board. Even in dominate years we get called overrated and other nonsense. Making the final four, whether a 1 seed or 7 seed or 16 seed is an accomplishment and Wisconsin and Sparty both beat good teams from other major conferences to get where they are. We dont get the respect we deserve and the members here are bullied for following a Big Ten team (H1 challenges the status quo and stands up for the whole league even when he has no one on his side).

I am not arguing against the Big 10 success. I am just saying one year doesn't drastically change anything. Prior to this year, the Big 10 didn't have a whole lot of championship success recently. Again, one year doesn't change anything.

Let me guess, you want to argue that the ACC has been astoundingly better than The Big Ten?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACC%E2%80%9..._Challenge

From 2009 to 2014 The Big Ten has either tied the series or beaten The ACC. This season The Big Ten beat The ACC 8-6.

So much for your argument that The Big Ten sucked this year. Championship success? People need to get their arguments straight. Are we talking about a conference having the best team in the country as what defines being good as a conference or are we talking about a conference that is strong across the board being the defining factor?

In terms of The Big Ten vs The ACC, the Big Ten is the better conference lately across the board and the results don't lie, people do when they don't accept the results.

Maybe The Big Ten doesn't even end up with a team in the Championship game but they put two teams in The Final Four, more than anyone else. This wasn't a bad year for The Big Ten. They won the Big Ten vs ACC challenge, maintaining their status in the challenge and now they have a shot at having an all Big Ten Championship game. That is not representative of a conference that sucks.

Next!

HI,

You know me well, I am not an ACC fan boy.

Nowhere in my points did I state that the Big 10 sucked this year. I just said a true fact that the BIG 10 hasn't had much championship success before this year. That doesn't mean they are a weak conference.

The BIG 10 has definitely stepped up this year. All I'm saying is that one year shouldn't be taken by either as a seismic shift.

Hopefully, Michigan State wins it all.

(03-30-2015 09:15 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Since 1980, the Big East (before it imploded) and ACC were always the best teams in March Madness. No one else was even close. And the Big 10 has had the worst winning percentage in March of any major conference.

But this year they look good. Very impressive.

Way to live in the past. Those years only matter to those whom stick their head in the sand in order to "live in the past". That's a little geological joke for you.

The Big Ten hasn't been beaten by The ACC for six years in their challenge. The Big East? It doesn't even exist anymore as an entity remotely comparable to what it was during the years that you are referencing.

Not so much living in the past as just putting everything in perspective. The Big East was the best basketball conference from the mid-1980's until it broke up in 2013. But I guess you're right, that's history.

I think the Big 10 is doing really well in basketball now. They filled the void when the Big East broke up. Big 10 football has improved recently, too. And hockey is starting up.

If I was a Big 10 fan, I'd be really happy about the future.

Look, I am not a "Big Ten fan". I simply appreciate and respect them as an entity and the power wielded by the organization.

For the fans, 2015 is great. For someone like me, it's really just the beginning.

Much of what pushed The Big East was the overwhelming amount of talent coming out of NYC high schools in basketball. There is still a lot but it is not so staggering in comparison to what the rest of the country is producing.

As money becomes a bigger part of the big picture, The Big Ten gains more and more leverage. In the mean time a guy like Delany makes a big public spectacle about how they might "drop from the NCAA" and go Division III or whatever, that isn't a statement about what The Big Ten might actually do. It is a statement about how powerful they are. He isn't saying what they are going to do, he is simply saying "We COULD do this and we would be just fine because we are that damn powerful. Now this is what we want."

As money becomes all powerful in college athletics, that absolutely favors The Big Ten.

(03-30-2015 09:23 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 02:52 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:52 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 12:18 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  It has been one good year. This thread would have made more sense if a Big 10 team won the national championship (and I am rooting for Michigan State to win it all.)

This thread is similar to all the threads saying the SEC is done after two average bowl seasons.

Everyone points to the Big Ten being top heavy, I believe 13 out of the 14 teams had above .500 records before conference games, every conference has disparity and bottom feeders. The Big Ten just tends to see more of the comments and insults, specifically from the AAC and ACC crowds. I'm sick of it as is every Big Ten fan on this board. Even in dominate years we get called overrated and other nonsense. Making the final four, whether a 1 seed or 7 seed or 16 seed is an accomplishment and Wisconsin and Sparty both beat good teams from other major conferences to get where they are. We dont get the respect we deserve and the members here are bullied for following a Big Ten team (H1 challenges the status quo and stands up for the whole league even when he has no one on his side).

I am not arguing against the Big 10 success. I am just saying one year doesn't drastically change anything. Prior to this year, the Big 10 didn't have a whole lot of championship success recently. Again, one year doesn't change anything.

Let me guess, you want to argue that the ACC has been astoundingly better than The Big Ten?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACC%E2%80%9..._Challenge

From 2009 to 2014 The Big Ten has either tied the series or beaten The ACC. This season The Big Ten beat The ACC 8-6.

So much for your argument that The Big Ten sucked this year. Championship success? People need to get their arguments straight. Are we talking about a conference having the best team in the country as what defines being good as a conference or are we talking about a conference that is strong across the board being the defining factor?

In terms of The Big Ten vs The ACC, the Big Ten is the better conference lately across the board and the results don't lie, people do when they don't accept the results.

Maybe The Big Ten doesn't even end up with a team in the Championship game but they put two teams in The Final Four, more than anyone else. This wasn't a bad year for The Big Ten. They won the Big Ten vs ACC challenge, maintaining their status in the challenge and now they have a shot at having an all Big Ten Championship game. That is not representative of a conference that sucks.

Next!

HI,

You know me well, I am not an ACC fan boy.

Nowhere in my points did I state that the Big 10 sucked this year. I just said a true fact that the BIG 10 hasn't had much championship success before this year. That doesn't mean they are a weak conference.

The BIG 10 has definitely stepped up this year. All I'm saying is that one year shouldn't be taken by either as a seismic shift.

Hopefully, Michigan State wins it all.

I am not an ACC fan boy either and yet I have claimed all year that they were the better basketball conference. Why did I say that? Well it certainly wasn't due to the fact that the ACC beat the Big Ten. They didn't, they lost.

What causes me to make such a statement is that while the overall strength of a conference is very important, thus the Big Ten vs ACC challenge points I make, it isn't as important as what the conference is able to create at the pinnacle. The top teams become strong by facing strong competition. When you have that, you see parity and that can be misperceived as weakness when in reality it is strength. Folks can propagandize that in either direction. I put forth as evidence of this, The SEC West division of football this past season.

As proof of the strength of The Big Ten in basketball this year, I put forward the Spartans of Michigan State. They weren't expected to be this good but Tom Izzo knows how to use that Big Ten strength to build a strong Tournament team. I don't even know how he does it but his record as a lower seed team shows that HE knows how to do what he does. The Big Ten schedule gives him the ability to do that.

With that said though, that Wisconsin team is the better team and is the better team to be put up against Kentucky. If Michigan State ends up winning the championship against Wisconsin, then they should thank Wisconsin because Wisky by far stacks up better against Kentucky than MSU. MSU does stack up well against Duke.

The perfect storm could arise or it could end up as a dud. If it does, there isn't any shame in losing to that Kentucky team and that Duke team. This is truly a fun tournament for Big Ten fans.

(03-30-2015 09:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:15 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Since 1980, the Big East (before it imploded) and ACC were always the best teams in March Madness. No one else was even close. And the Big 10 has had the worst winning percentage in March of any major conference.

But this year they look good. Very impressive.

Way to live in the past. Those years only matter to those whom stick their head in the sand in order to "live in the past". That's a little geological joke for you.

The Big Ten hasn't been beaten by The ACC for six years in their challenge. The Big East? It doesn't even exist anymore as an entity remotely comparable to what it was during the years that you are referencing.

Not so much living in the past as just putting everything in perspective. The Big East was the best basketball conference from the mid-1980's until it broke up in 2013. But I guess you're right, that's history.

I think the Big 10 is doing really well in basketball now. They filled the void when the Big East broke up. Big 10 football has improved recently, too. And hockey is starting up.

If I was a Big 10 fan, I'd be really happy about the future.

Look, I am not a "Big Ten fan". I simply appreciate and respect them as an entity and the power wielded by the organization.

For the fans, 2015 is great. For someone like me, it's really just the beginning.

Much of what pushed The Big East was the overwhelming amount of talent coming out of NYC high schools in basketball. There is still a lot but it is not so staggering in comparison to what the rest of the country is producing.

As money becomes a bigger part of the big picture, The Big Ten gains more and more leverage. In the mean time a guy like Delany makes a big public spectacle about how they might "drop from the NCAA" and go Division III or whatever, that isn't a statement about what The Big Ten might actually do. It is a statement about how powerful they are. He isn't saying what they are going to do, he is simply saying "We COULD do this and we would be just fine because we are that damn powerful. Now this is what we want."

As money becomes all powerful in college athletics, that absolutely favors The Big Ten.

Ok.

I'm not real big on the business aspect of college sports. I understand the Big 10 and SEC are extremely powerful. That doesn't knock my socks off; I don't care.

But as a casual sports fan, I can appreciate what the Big 10 has done recently. They've upgraded football and basketball. The performance on the field and on the court now matches (for the first time) what the perception has been for generations.

And since I hate Kentucky and Duke, I'm hoping Wisconsin or Michigan State can win the championship.

(03-30-2015 09:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:15 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Since 1980, the Big East (before it imploded) and ACC were always the best teams in March Madness. No one else was even close. And the Big 10 has had the worst winning percentage in March of any major conference.

But this year they look good. Very impressive.

Way to live in the past. Those years only matter to those whom stick their head in the sand in order to "live in the past". That's a little geological joke for you.

The Big Ten hasn't been beaten by The ACC for six years in their challenge. The Big East? It doesn't even exist anymore as an entity remotely comparable to what it was during the years that you are referencing.

Not so much living in the past as just putting everything in perspective. The Big East was the best basketball conference from the mid-1980's until it broke up in 2013. But I guess you're right, that's history.

I think the Big 10 is doing really well in basketball now. They filled the void when the Big East broke up. Big 10 football has improved recently, too. And hockey is starting up.

If I was a Big 10 fan, I'd be really happy about the future.

Look, I am not a "Big Ten fan". I simply appreciate and respect them as an entity and the power wielded by the organization.

For the fans, 2015 is great. For someone like me, it's really just the beginning.

Much of what pushed The Big East was the overwhelming amount of talent coming out of NYC high schools in basketball. There is still a lot but it is not so staggering in comparison to what the rest of the country is producing.

As money becomes a bigger part of the big picture, The Big Ten gains more and more leverage. In the mean time a guy like Delany makes a big public spectacle about how they might "drop from the NCAA" and go Division III or whatever, that isn't a statement about what The Big Ten might actually do. It is a statement about how powerful they are. He isn't saying what they are going to do, he is simply saying "We COULD do this and we would be just fine because we are that damn powerful. Now this is what we want."

As money becomes all powerful in college athletics, that absolutely favors The Big Ten.

No wonder Delany went with Fox. They already have Division III ratings. I'm not saying the B1G is Division III I'm just saying they could be if they wanted to.

(03-30-2015 09:45 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:15 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Since 1980, the Big East (before it imploded) and ACC were always the best teams in March Madness. No one else was even close. And the Big 10 has had the worst winning percentage in March of any major conference.

But this year they look good. Very impressive.

Way to live in the past. Those years only matter to those whom stick their head in the sand in order to "live in the past". That's a little geological joke for you.

The Big Ten hasn't been beaten by The ACC for six years in their challenge. The Big East? It doesn't even exist anymore as an entity remotely comparable to what it was during the years that you are referencing.

Not so much living in the past as just putting everything in perspective. The Big East was the best basketball conference from the mid-1980's until it broke up in 2013. But I guess you're right, that's history.

I think the Big 10 is doing really well in basketball now. They filled the void when the Big East broke up. Big 10 football has improved recently, too. And hockey is starting up.

If I was a Big 10 fan, I'd be really happy about the future.

Look, I am not a "Big Ten fan". I simply appreciate and respect them as an entity and the power wielded by the organization.

For the fans, 2015 is great. For someone like me, it's really just the beginning.

Much of what pushed The Big East was the overwhelming amount of talent coming out of NYC high schools in basketball. There is still a lot but it is not so staggering in comparison to what the rest of the country is producing.

As money becomes a bigger part of the big picture, The Big Ten gains more and more leverage. In the mean time a guy like Delany makes a big public spectacle about how they might "drop from the NCAA" and go Division III or whatever, that isn't a statement about what The Big Ten might actually do. It is a statement about how powerful they are. He isn't saying what they are going to do, he is simply saying "We COULD do this and we would be just fine because we are that damn powerful. Now this is what we want."

As money becomes all powerful in college athletics, that absolutely favors The Big Ten.

Ok.

I'm not real big on the business aspect of college sports. I understand the Big 10 and SEC are extremely powerful. That doesn't knock my socks off; I don't care.

But as a casual sports fan, I can appreciate what the Big 10 has done recently. They've upgraded football and basketball. The performance on the field and on the court now matches (for the first time) what the perception has been for generations.

And since I hate Kentucky and Duke, I'm hoping Wisconsin or Michigan State can win the championship.

I can absolutely understand your perspective. I can tell you what happened within the higher ranks of The Big Ten. The Big Ten used to be rather Xenophobic. They simply didn't care how they stacked up to the rest of the nation. Winning The Big Ten mattered most. I realize many of you simply cant fully understand that kind of mentality. It isn't truly an Elitist mentality, it's simply that Sports wasn't their all encompassing motivation. It was simply a way to compete against your peers.

The landscape has changed though and ESPN was a very big part of it. Their ability to propagandize and slowly draw in the attentions of the Big Wigs has caused those Big Boosters to demand their schools to make themselves competitive with not just The Big Ten but with the entire country. When the sleeping giant begins to truly throw it's monetary weight around, then there will come a day when people will look back in disbelief that The Big Ten was ever talked about in such a disparaging manner.

What are my examples of this? My first piece of evidence is Urban Meyer. My second piece is Jim Harbaugh. The Big Ten is starting to throw it's money around.

(03-30-2015 10:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:45 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:15 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

Way to live in the past. Those years only matter to those whom stick their head in the sand in order to "live in the past". That's a little geological joke for you.

The Big Ten hasn't been beaten by The ACC for six years in their challenge. The Big East? It doesn't even exist anymore as an entity remotely comparable to what it was during the years that you are referencing.

Not so much living in the past as just putting everything in perspective. The Big East was the best basketball conference from the mid-1980's until it broke up in 2013. But I guess you're right, that's history.

I think the Big 10 is doing really well in basketball now. They filled the void when the Big East broke up. Big 10 football has improved recently, too. And hockey is starting up.

If I was a Big 10 fan, I'd be really happy about the future.

Look, I am not a "Big Ten fan". I simply appreciate and respect them as an entity and the power wielded by the organization.

For the fans, 2015 is great. For someone like me, it's really just the beginning.

Much of what pushed The Big East was the overwhelming amount of talent coming out of NYC high schools in basketball. There is still a lot but it is not so staggering in comparison to what the rest of the country is producing.

As money becomes a bigger part of the big picture, The Big Ten gains more and more leverage. In the mean time a guy like Delany makes a big public spectacle about how they might "drop from the NCAA" and go Division III or whatever, that isn't a statement about what The Big Ten might actually do. It is a statement about how powerful they are. He isn't saying what they are going to do, he is simply saying "We COULD do this and we would be just fine because we are that damn powerful. Now this is what we want."

As money becomes all powerful in college athletics, that absolutely favors The Big Ten.

Ok.

I'm not real big on the business aspect of college sports. I understand the Big 10 and SEC are extremely powerful. That doesn't knock my socks off; I don't care.

But as a casual sports fan, I can appreciate what the Big 10 has done recently. They've upgraded football and basketball. The performance on the field and on the court now matches (for the first time) what the perception has been for generations.

And since I hate Kentucky and Duke, I'm hoping Wisconsin or Michigan State can win the championship.

I can absolutely understand your perspective. I can tell you what happened within the higher ranks of The Big Ten. The Big Ten used to be rather Xenophobic. They simply didn't care how they stacked up to the rest of the nation. Winning The Big Ten mattered most. I realize many of you simply cant fully understand that kind of mentality. It isn't truly an Elitist mentality, it's simply that Sports wasn't their all encompassing motivation. It was simply a way to compete against your peers.

The landscape has changed though and ESPN was a very big part of it. Their ability to propagandize and slowly draw in the attentions of the Big Wigs has caused those Big Boosters to demand their schools to make themselves competitive with not just The Big Ten but with the entire country. When the sleeping giant begins to truly throw it's monetary weight around, then there will come a day when people will look back in disbelief that The Big Ten was ever talked about in such a disparaging manner.

What are my examples of this? My first piece of evidence is Urban Meyer. My second piece is Jim Harbaugh. The Big Ten is starting to throw it's money around.

Yup. And the SEC will start to do the same when they find out there are sports other than football.

The SEC certainly has that capability but right now it's only their northern school that is competing in basketball. For me though, the true sleeper is the ACC.

(03-30-2015 06:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Big 10 has 6 teams that never suck: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, Nebraska, and Michigan. But, they have 8 schools that almost always suck: Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota. We all know that occasionally one of those will sally forth, but most years they can be counted on to tank. That's why the perception isn't as sharp as it should be. But the first six could compete annually in any conference.

But will those 6 teams curtail their Walpoling activities and infiltrate your place of purveyance to negotiate the vending of some cheesy comestibles?

SEC looks like they're getting serious about basketball though. Howland, Barnes, and whoever Alabama picks up.

(03-30-2015 09:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 09:15 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:40 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 07:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Since 1980, the Big East (before it imploded) and ACC were always the best teams in March Madness. No one else was even close. And the Big 10 has had the worst winning percentage in March of any major conference.

But this year they look good. Very impressive.

Way to live in the past. Those years only matter to those whom stick their head in the sand in order to "live in the past". That's a little geological joke for you.

The Big Ten hasn't been beaten by The ACC for six years in their challenge. The Big East? It doesn't even exist anymore as an entity remotely comparable to what it was during the years that you are referencing.

Not so much living in the past as just putting everything in perspective. The Big East was the best basketball conference from the mid-1980's until it broke up in 2013. But I guess you're right, that's history.

I think the Big 10 is doing really well in basketball now. They filled the void when the Big East broke up. Big 10 football has improved recently, too. And hockey is starting up.

If I was a Big 10 fan, I'd be really happy about the future.

Look, I am not a "Big Ten fan". I simply appreciate and respect them as an entity and the power wielded by the organization.

For the fans, 2015 is great. For someone like me, it's really just the beginning.

Much of what pushed The Big East was the overwhelming amount of talent coming out of NYC high schools in basketball. There is still a lot but it is not so staggering in comparison to what the rest of the country is producing.

As money becomes a bigger part of the big picture, The Big Ten gains more and more leverage. In the mean time a guy like Delany makes a big public spectacle about how they might "drop from the NCAA" and go Division III or whatever, that isn't a statement about what The Big Ten might actually do. It is a statement about how powerful they are. He isn't saying what they are going to do, he is simply saying "We COULD do this and we would be just fine because we are that damn powerful. Now this is what we want."

As money becomes all powerful in college athletics, that absolutely favors The Big Ten.

In my opinion Delaney would be wrong. The BIG would need at least a couple of other conferences to go along with them for it to be a serious threat.

(03-30-2015 06:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Big 10 has 6 teams that never suck: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, Nebraska, and Michigan. But, they have 8 schools that almost always suck: Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota. We all know that occasionally one of those will sally forth, but most years they can be counted on to tank. That's why the perception isn't as sharp as it should be. But the first six could compete annually in any conference.

Lol. Ok seriously, The Big Ten really only has 1 team that never sucks. Ohio State. It has 13 teams that sometimes suck and sometimes are decent. Michigan is a great example of a team that sucked this year, but is decent most years.

But I think you already knew that. Your post is interesting, however from what the common perception around the country.

If the perception now exists that the Big Ten has 6 nationally elite schools, that has changed from 5 years ago when there was only 4. Congrats to Wisconsin and Mich St. Sounds like you are now looked at as equals to Ohio St, Penn St, Mich and Neb.

I don't owe the Big Ten Jack squat. Living in Indiana I am stuck smack dab in the middle of the most boring conference in college athletics. If anything that crappy conference owes me for charging me extra for their God-awful cable channel. Delaney got a decade head start and The SEC Network already kicks The BTN's arse in quality and content. Sure the Big Ten got two teams into the Final Four, golf clap for that. Lets see if they win the thing. I still expect Duke and Kentucky to square off come next Monday.
CJ

(03-31-2015 12:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I don't owe the Big Ten Jack squat. Living in Indiana I am stuck smack dab in the middle of the most boring conference in college athletics. If anything that crappy conference owes me for charging me extra for their God-awful cable channel. Delaney got a decade head start and The SEC Network already kicks The BTN's arse in quality and content. Sure the Big Ten got two teams into the Final Four, golf clap for that. Lets see if they win the thing. I still expect Duke and Kentucky to square off come next Monday.
CJ

Someone is bitter they lost to a B1G team

(03-30-2015 07:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 06:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The Big 10 has 6 teams that never suck: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, Nebraska, and Michigan. But, they have 8 schools that almost always suck: Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota. We all know that occasionally one of those will sally forth, but most years they can be counted on to tank. That's why the perception isn't as sharp as it should be. But the first six could compete annually in any conference.

This may be your most ridiculous post ever. Indiana always sucks in basketball?

You must be talking football. Are you that desperate to attack The Big Ten? I think you are. This must be painful for you to see.

Nice attempt at becoming an abstract artist but that is a terrible post JR. You are trying too hard. You want to talk about "always sucking"? The SEC is full of basketball programs that almost always suck and this is basketball season. Try again.

No H1, what is funny is your use of Indiana as a defense. Indiana hasn't really been relevant in basketball since Bob Knight left. Granted they are one of the historical powers, but Knight left a long time ago and the polish is coming off of, and the dust is thick on, the Indiana trophies.

As to SEC basketball, outside of Kentucky, Tennessee, Florida, and sometimes L.S.U. it has always taken a back seat to the gridiron. So there is nothing new there.