The Big Ten has an impressive 2 teams in the Final Four and I do believe many of you owe us Big Ten fans an apology. We get so much **** for football and basketball, yet we have the CFP champions and 2 other schools are in the Final Four. Yep, the Big Ten sucks.
(03-30-2015 11:31 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ]The Big Ten has an impressive 2 teams in the Final Four and I do believe many of you owe us Big Ten fans an apology. We get so much **** for football and basketball, yet we have the CFP champions and 2 other schools are in the Final Four. Yep, the Big Ten sucks.
But baseball and hockey do suck.
Big Ten has had a really good year. The Maryland move looks really good. Also nice that the league has divisions that actually makes sense now......
(so what's the odds this thread gets locked at some point? I'd say at least 50/50!)
(03-30-2015 11:33 AM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2015 11:31 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ]The Big Ten has an impressive 2 teams in the Final Four and I do believe many of you owe us Big Ten fans an apology. We get so much **** for football and basketball, yet we have the CFP champions and 2 other schools are in the Final Four. Yep, the Big Ten sucks.
But baseball and hockey do suck.
Baseball is always gonna suck, playing a sport where you are down south for the first half of the season, as a fan of North Dakota you should know how the winter in the north is. Hockey well, I have no excuses for, outside of Penn State its been a disgrace.
Congrats to the Big 10 on a good sports year.
Props for their commericial they run on TV: "14 Teams... 40% more of what you like".
It's been a great year for the B1G.
(03-30-2015 11:44 AM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]It's been a great year for the B1G.
yes, and comes at the absolute best time possible with TV negotiations starting up at any time for the tv deal that ends in 2 years. Makes you wonder if the Big Ten may start it early quite frankly.
Let's not get carried away. The Big Ten was still solid enough this year, but it was a major down year in basketball.
Mark Titus sums it up well:
"14. It’s still teams — not conferences — winning these games.
Everyone who’s pretending that Wisconsin and Michigan State making the Final Four means the Big Ten was one of the best conferences in college basketball this season needs to step away from the Internet. The Big Ten was decent, but it was nowhere close to as good as it’s been in recent years. Getting two schools in the Final Four doesn’t change that. All it means is that those two teams haven’t lost in the NCAA tournament. As an Ohio State alum, I’m not going to pretend my team was slightly less crappy because three of its 11 losses came against Final Four teams. The same goes for the turd of a season Illinois squirted out, the season Michigan fans can’t forget fast enough, Minnesota’s disappointment, and Nebraska’s embarrassment.
Are we really going to let eight games that were played by two teams over the course of 10 days erase the rest of the Big Ten season? Are we really going to forget how Mike Tirico sounded like he had an ulcer flaring up whenever he called Big Ten games that didn’t involve Wisconsin? Just because the Big Ten has one good team and another team coached by Izzo doesn’t mean the league didn’t suck as much as we thought it did before the NCAA tournament."
By the league's understandable lofty standards for bball, this was still a bad year no matter how you slice it. The fact that UConn won the nat'l championship last year doesn't all of a sudden make the AAC a good league, and the same is true in this case.
Although I'll definitely agree the B1G in general gets way too much crap.
2 of the other Big Ten teams won tourney games(Iowa and Maryland). Had the exact same number of units this year vs last year.
And the bottom line- like it or not, college basketball is determined in large part what you do in March. Big Ten got ripped before when they struggled in the tourney, so have got to give them props this year when they did well in March.
(03-30-2015 11:53 AM)stxrunner Wrote: [ -> ]Let's not get carried away. The Big Ten was still solid enough this year, but it was a major down year in basketball.
Mark Titus sums it up well:
"14. It’s still teams — not conferences — winning these games.
Everyone who’s pretending that Wisconsin and Michigan State making the Final Four means the Big Ten was one of the best conferences in college basketball this season needs to step away from the Internet. The Big Ten was decent, but it was nowhere close to as good as it’s been in recent years. Getting two schools in the Final Four doesn’t change that. All it means is that those two teams haven’t lost in the NCAA tournament. As an Ohio State alum, I’m not going to pretend my team was slightly less crappy because three of its 11 losses came against Final Four teams. The same goes for the turd of a season Illinois squirted out, the season Michigan fans can’t forget fast enough, Minnesota’s disappointment, and Nebraska’s embarrassment.
Are we really going to let eight games that were played by two teams over the course of 10 days erase the rest of the Big Ten season? Are we really going to forget how Mike Tirico sounded like he had an ulcer flaring up whenever he called Big Ten games that didn’t involve Wisconsin? Just because the Big Ten has one good team and another team coached by Izzo doesn’t mean the league didn’t suck as much as we thought it did before the NCAA tournament."
By the league's understandable lofty standards for bball, this was still a bad year no matter how you slice it. The fact that UConn won the nat'l championship last year doesn't all of a sudden make the AAC a good league, and the same is true in this case.
Although I'll definitely agree the B1G in general gets way too much crap.
There aren't many conferences that would say they had a down year in basketball when 8 of their 14 members were either invited to the Dance or just on the wrong side of the bubble. Spin it however you will, that's not a bad year.
It has been one good year. This thread would have made more sense if a Big 10 team won the national championship (and I am rooting for Michigan State to win it all.)
This thread is similar to all the threads saying the SEC is done after two average bowl seasons.
(03-30-2015 12:18 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ]It has been one good year. This thread would have made more sense if a Big 10 team won the national championship (and I am rooting for Michigan State to win it all.)
This thread is similar to all the threads saying the SEC is done after two average bowl seasons.
Everyone points to the Big Ten being top heavy, I believe 13 out of the 14 teams had above .500 records before conference games, every conference has disparity and bottom feeders. The Big Ten just tends to see more of the comments and insults, specifically from the AAC and ACC crowds. I'm sick of it as is every Big Ten fan on this board. Even in dominate years we get called overrated and other nonsense. Making the final four, whether a 1 seed or 7 seed or 16 seed is an accomplishment and Wisconsin and Sparty both beat good teams from other major conferences to get where they are. We dont get the respect we deserve and the members here are bullied for following a Big Ten team (H1 challenges the status quo and stands up for the whole league even when he has no one on his side).
I think in basketball every team in the Big 10 was above .500. Rutgers even.
but this is no big deal...
Big 12- all 10 above .500
ACC all 15 above .500
BE- only DePaul sub .500
SEC- only Missouri sub .500
P12- all 12 at or above .500
So of the 75 teams in those 6 conferences, only DePaul and Missouri sub .500(both at 6-7).
even with the AAC, only USF was sub .500 OOC at 6-7. A10 had 11/14 at or above .500. WCC 9/10 above .500. MVC 7/10 above .500. So of the top 10 conferences- spanning 120 teams, only 10 teams were below .500 entering conference play.
(03-30-2015 01:52 PM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2015 12:18 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ]It has been one good year. This thread would have made more sense if a Big 10 team won the national championship (and I am rooting for Michigan State to win it all.)
This thread is similar to all the threads saying the SEC is done after two average bowl seasons.
Everyone points to the Big Ten being top heavy, I believe 13 out of the 14 teams had above .500 records before conference games, every conference has disparity and bottom feeders. The Big Ten just tends to see more of the comments and insults, specifically from the AAC and ACC crowds. I'm sick of it as is every Big Ten fan on this board. Even in dominate years we get called overrated and other nonsense. Making the final four, whether a 1 seed or 7 seed or 16 seed is an accomplishment and Wisconsin and Sparty both beat good teams from other major conferences to get where they are. We dont get the respect we deserve and the members here are bullied for following a Big Ten team .(H1 challenges the status quo and stands up for the whole league even when he has no one on his side)
H1 doesn't get flack because he stands up for the Big Ten. He gets it because he has chosen to adopt the online persona of an obnoxious a-hole who launches personal attacks against anyone who doesn't buy his intentionally provocative, over the top posts. The fact that he roots for the Big Ten is just coincidental.
(03-30-2015 11:31 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ]The Big Ten sucks.
FIFY
(03-30-2015 01:52 PM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2015 12:18 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ]It has been one good year. This thread would have made more sense if a Big 10 team won the national championship (and I am rooting for Michigan State to win it all.)
This thread is similar to all the threads saying the SEC is done after two average bowl seasons.
Everyone points to the Big Ten being top heavy, I believe 13 out of the 14 teams had above .500 records before conference games, every conference has disparity and bottom feeders. The Big Ten just tends to see more of the comments and insults, specifically from the AAC and ACC crowds. I'm sick of it as is every Big Ten fan on this board. Even in dominate years we get called overrated and other nonsense. Making the final four, whether a 1 seed or 7 seed or 16 seed is an accomplishment and Wisconsin and Sparty both beat good teams from other major conferences to get where they are. We dont get the respect we deserve and the members here are bullied for following a Big Ten team (H1 challenges the status quo and stands up for the whole league even when he has no one on his side).
I am not arguing against the Big 10 success. I am just saying one year doesn't drastically change anything. Prior to this year, the Big 10 didn't have a whole lot of championship success recently. Again, one year doesn't change anything.
(03-30-2015 11:31 AM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ]The Big Ten has an impressive 2 teams in the Final Four and I do believe many of you owe us Big Ten fans an apology. We get so much **** for football and basketball, yet we have the CFP champions and 2 other schools are in the Final Four. Yep, the Big Ten sucks.
It's been a great year for the B1G, no question. And with TV deals being re-upped soon, it couldn't have come at a better time.
(03-30-2015 11:53 AM)stxrunner Wrote: [ -> ]Let's not get carried away. The Big Ten was still solid enough this year, but it was a major down year in basketball.
Mark Titus sums it up well:
"14. It’s still teams — not conferences — winning these games.
Everyone who’s pretending that Wisconsin and Michigan State making the Final Four means the Big Ten was one of the best conferences in college basketball this season needs to step away from the Internet. The Big Ten was decent, but it was nowhere close to as good as it’s been in recent years. Getting two schools in the Final Four doesn’t change that. All it means is that those two teams haven’t lost in the NCAA tournament. As an Ohio State alum, I’m not going to pretend my team was slightly less crappy because three of its 11 losses came against Final Four teams. The same goes for the turd of a season Illinois squirted out, the season Michigan fans can’t forget fast enough, Minnesota’s disappointment, and Nebraska’s embarrassment.
Are we really going to let eight games that were played by two teams over the course of 10 days erase the rest of the Big Ten season? Are we really going to forget how Mike Tirico sounded like he had an ulcer flaring up whenever he called Big Ten games that didn’t involve Wisconsin? Just because the Big Ten has one good team and another team coached by Izzo doesn’t mean the league didn’t suck as much as we thought it did before the NCAA tournament."
By the league's understandable lofty standards for bball, this was still a bad year no matter how you slice it. The fact that UConn won the nat'l championship last year doesn't all of a sudden make the AAC a good league, and the same is true in this case.
Although I'll definitely agree the B1G in general gets way too much crap.
I would also say that to a general fan- the Big Ten has absolutely had a great year. Championships matter. getting 2 teams into the final 4 matters. Not only winning the 1st football title, but also having Michigan St win their bowl game- huge. Maybe to hard core fans- they can see all the warts the Big Ten has- all the conferences do- but the big items- the big ten has delivered. And could get even better tonight- Maryland's women go for a final 4 appearance vs Tennessee.
The Big 10 has 6 teams that never suck: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State, Nebraska, and Michigan. But, they have 8 schools that almost always suck: Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota. We all know that occasionally one of those will sally forth, but most years they can be counted on to tank. That's why the perception isn't as sharp as it should be. But the first six could compete annually in any conference.
(03-30-2015 11:53 AM)stxrunner Wrote: [ -> ]Let's not get carried away. The Big Ten was still solid enough this year, but it was a major down year in basketball.
Mark Titus sums it up well:
"14. It’s still teams — not conferences — winning these games.
Everyone who’s pretending that Wisconsin and Michigan State making the Final Four means the Big Ten was one of the best conferences in college basketball this season needs to step away from the Internet. The Big Ten was decent, but it was nowhere close to as good as it’s been in recent years. Getting two schools in the Final Four doesn’t change that. All it means is that those two teams haven’t lost in the NCAA tournament. As an Ohio State alum, I’m not going to pretend my team was slightly less crappy because three of its 11 losses came against Final Four teams. The same goes for the turd of a season Illinois squirted out, the season Michigan fans can’t forget fast enough, Minnesota’s disappointment, and Nebraska’s embarrassment.
Are we really going to let eight games that were played by two teams over the course of 10 days erase the rest of the Big Ten season? Are we really going to forget how Mike Tirico sounded like he had an ulcer flaring up whenever he called Big Ten games that didn’t involve Wisconsin? Just because the Big Ten has one good team and another team coached by Izzo doesn’t mean the league didn’t suck as much as we thought it did before the NCAA tournament."
By the league's understandable lofty standards for bball, this was still a bad year no matter how you slice it. The fact that UConn won the nat'l championship last year doesn't all of a sudden make the AAC a good league, and the same is true in this case.
Although I'll definitely agree the B1G in general gets way too much crap.
This is very true. The Big Ten did have a down year in regards to perception during the season. At the end of the year though we found out that The Big Ten was just fine. When we talk about conferences and "brag" we don't brag about strength across the board. That is only what folks talk about when their conference didn't produce a champion. Conferences produce champions. Champions are built through the grind of the conference schedule.
So the fact that Wisconsin and Michigan State are doing so well is very much due to the schedule that they had to play in The Big Ten. The Big Ten didn't have a stand out hierarchy this year because teams kept beating and losing to each other. They all showed up well this year in the tournament.
The Big Ten came into the Sweet Sixteen with two teams and entered the Final Four with two teams. The ACC entered the Sweet Sixteen with five teams and now has just one team left. The ACC did not beat The Big Ten in their challenge. So even with a perceived down year for The Big Ten, it was still an impressive year and it may get a whole lot more impressive.
It wasn't a bad year, it wasn't a great year. That would change though if the conference ends up with two teams in the championship game. If that happens then any argument that this was a bad year for The Big Ten is a terrible argument to make. It's a good year.
To compare UConn winning with the possibility that we may have an all Big Ten Championship Game makes it not even comparable. Whom else in the AAC would have gotten that far? No one, sorry but in this regard your argument is falling flat on it's face Cincy. I can tell you are trying to say some nice things but you still have the habit of having to have some kind of negative twist every time you talk about The Big Ten.
Only losers try to claim the regular season trumps the Tournament. If The Big Ten ends up with two teams in the Championship Game then that absolutely defines the season for The Big Ten. If a Big Ten team wins then 2015 is the Big Ten's year and that cannot be argued.