Thats part of the reason why I posted the list. There are about 70-75 mid major schools including a few in our watered down conference who are as relevant historically as JMU MBB. This is no reflection on where I want the program to be nor does it mean that I've set the bar low I just always find it interesting that some fans act like the guy who flew first class once and now can't fly coach anymore.

Yep. Being realistic doesn't mean you accept mediocrity. It just means you see JMU MBB for what it is. Women's sports at JMU has almost always succeeded men's. I wish we had the bball tradition of VCU and ODU. We have a women's bball tradition that is among the best if not the best mid major programs over the last 30 years. Between Morman and Kenny, we have been Amazing. I can understand high expectations with that program.

(03-12-2015 10:36 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I think we all agree that we'd like to see JMU play mid majors who are on par with them from a historical perspective- teams that if we lose to them there isn't any shame and teams that if we beat its a solid win. I'm not counting teams from the A-10 which we all acknowledge is a superior conference. Here's a list of schools who have as rich or richer MBB history as JMU:

Vermont
Miami OH
Eastern Michigan
Ball State
Ohio
Toledo
Kent State
Bowling Green
Coppin State
Robert Morris
Florida Gulf Coast
Bradley
Illinois State
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Wichita State
Southern Illinois
Murray State
Austin Peay
Belmont
Northern Arizona
Weber State
Holy Cross
Lehigh
Boston University
Bucknell
American U
Chattanooga
East Tennessee State
Mercer
Long Beach State
SE Louisiana
Stephen F Austin
ODU
UAB
UTEP
Western Kentucky
Charlotte
North Dakota State
Georgia State
South Alabama
Arkansas Little Rock
BYU
Gonzaga
St Marys
Pepperdine
Loyola Marymount
Santa Clara
Pacific
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Cornell
Iona
Manhattan
Siena
New Mexico State
Valpo
Wisconsin Green Bay
Detroit
Wright State
Cleveland State

I probably missed a few. In the CAA I'd put Charleston, Drexel, Hofstra and Northeastern on par with JMU UNCW may be ahead of JMU but I think their brand is dulled alittle because there is UNC, NC State and formerly UNC Charlotte to contend with. Delaware, W&M, Towson and Elon are below JMU in terms of historical relevance.

If you could please explain to me some of your selections. FGCU? They didn't even exist 15 years ago so I not sure how they have the same history as us. Unless you are counting NDSU's D2 experience then I don't see that either. Long Beach, East Ten, South Alabama, SE Louisiana would be others I would wonder about.

I'll give you ND State- they only became D1 in 1997 but they have now made the NCAA tournament 3 times (2 times in arow)and they made the round of 32 last year. Florida Gulf Coast same thing- new program but Dunk City and sweet 16 last year.

Long Beach State is definitely on par with JMU historically- a lot of success under Tark in the 70s- some success in the 90s- Seth Greenberg, Dan Monson some NBA players like Luscious Harris and Bryon Russell.

East Tennessee on par with JMU- success in the 90s- mutliple NCAA appearance- used to draw 10,000 plus, round of 32 Keith Mr. Jennings just fired their coach Murray Bartow but NIT and NCAA appearance from 2000-2010

South Alabama is close- more NCAA and NIT appearances than JMU but don't have a signature win. Some good coaches Cliff Ellis and Bill Musselman, Arena seats 11,000 +

Sorry confused Southeast Louisiana State with Lousiana Lafayette- the Rajun Cajuns. They may have a brand in part because of their nickname and also they are notorious for two NCAA sanctions so we can remove them.

In researching this a little I noticed that the Sun Belt has some really big arenas- I wonder what types of crowds they get.

(03-13-2015 06:14 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  In researching this a little I noticed that the Sun Belt has some really big arenas- I wonder what types of crowds they get.

This is easy to uncover. Just go to the box score of the games and they always have the attendance listed. Every school has the box score on their athletic site usually with the schedule. The one thing you have to be careful with are not choosing games to look at where the kids were gone home for some sort of break i.e. Christmas.

JMUNation - thanks for trying to be a voice of reason on a forum that is running people away in droves lately.

Have we lost some, no doubt about it. However, we are picking up 2 or 3 posters for every one who leaves. Frankly, a message board is no fun without a little controversy and bickering. Message boards die when all think a like. Right now there is but one who needs to go, fake purpIehazed, when you have to pretend to be another poster, then I don't need you around and don't want you around.

(03-13-2015 08:19 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Have we lost some, no doubt about it. However, we are picking up 2 or 3 posters for every one who leaves. Frankly, a message board is no fun without a little controversy and bickering. Message boards die when all think a like. Right now there is but one who needs to go, fake purpIehazed, when you have to pretend to be another poster, then I don't need you around and don't want you around.

But where the heck is our "good buddy" Terry Holland?

(03-13-2015 08:19 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Have we lost some, no doubt about it. However, we are picking up 2 or 3 posters for every one who leaves. Frankly, a message board is no fun without a little controversy and bickering. Message boards die when all think a like. Right now there is but one who needs to go, fake purpIehazed, when you have to pretend to be another poster, then I don't need you around and don't want you around.

I don't know who the fake PurpIeHazed is, but I agree, he should leave.

Also, BleedingPurple, you're delusional if you think new members come and want to read your crap. All the new posters do is argue against you. Then all the other JMU haters come to defend you and they stop talking, probably stop reading the board, because really people would rather ignore your constant negative talk than keep dealing with it.

NOBODY is coming to the board to vent their anger fresh. All the usual suspects are long time posters who for some reason think posting on a message board will affect change. And it does, but the the change it affects is on the message board only.

I've had MULTIPLE (at least 8) conversations in real life with people who don't read the boards anymore, specifically because it's become a negative poster breeding ground. All you are doing is scaring away quality posters. Great job.

ALSO FIRE JEFFREY BOURNE I HATE THAT MAN.

(03-13-2015 08:29 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 08:19 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Have we lost some, no doubt about it. However, we are picking up 2 or 3 posters for every one who leaves. Frankly, a message board is no fun without a little controversy and bickering. Message boards die when all think a like. Right now there is but one who needs to go, fake purpIehazed, when you have to pretend to be another poster, then I don't need you around and don't want you around.

But where the heck is our "good buddy" Terry Holland?

Yes, we need some Terry Holland insight.

(03-13-2015 06:14 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I'll give you ND State- they only became D1 in 1997 but they have now made the NCAA tournament 3 times (2 times in arow)and they made the round of 32 last year. Florida Gulf Coast same thing- new program but Dunk City and sweet 16 last year.

Long Beach State is definitely on par with JMU historically- a lot of success under Tark in the 70s- some success in the 90s- Seth Greenberg, Dan Monson some NBA players like Luscious Harris and Bryon Russell.

East Tennessee on par with JMU- success in the 90s- mutliple NCAA appearance- used to draw 10,000 plus, round of 32 Keith Mr. Jennings just fired their coach Murray Bartow but NIT and NCAA appearance from 2000-2010

South Alabama is close- more NCAA and NIT appearances than JMU but don't have a signature win. Some good coaches Cliff Ellis and Bill Musselman, Arena seats 11,000 +

Sorry confused Southeast Louisiana State with Lousiana Lafayette- the Rajun Cajuns. They may have a brand in part because of their nickname and also they are notorious for two NCAA sanctions so we can remove them.

In researching this a little I noticed that the Sun Belt has some really big arenas- I wonder what types of crowds they get.

I'll agree they have the name/attention now but they don't have the history.

I forgot about Coach Tark being at Long Beach and had no clue about Greenburg. Thanks for the info though, I am still rather young so most of my knowledge (pre-late 90's) comes from research and it's hard to research and read about everything. Seems said when you hear some of these lower name schools (at least in my mind) that have the same history or greater then us.

(03-13-2015 06:14 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  In researching this a little I noticed that the Sun Belt has some really big arenas- I wonder what types of crowds they get.

This year, ULL drew about 4k, UTA just over 2k, and everyone else drew under 2k IIRC. So both JMU and WM would be 2nd in attendance of they were in the Belt

Speaking of the CIT, looks like the CBS Sports Network is showcasing the tournament this year.

http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament...esults.php

(03-13-2015 06:14 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  In researching this a little I noticed that the Sun Belt has some really big arenas- I wonder what types of crowds they get.

As someone who attended sun belt games the past 2 season (arkansas state), crowds were not existent and lost in their arenas. They have decent arenas, but dont even remotely fill them and it sucks any potential atmosphere right out of them. ASU's arena is a convocation center similar to that of JMU's and holds nearly 10,500. They might have had 2-3k show up on any given night but felt like about 500 people and that was against the better teams like georgia state (post caa) and western kentucky (before they moved to conference usa). Point being, size of the arena does not mean a whole lot. They do not get filled for basketball.

(03-13-2015 09:16 AM)PurpIeHazed Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 08:19 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Have we lost some, no doubt about it. However, we are picking up 2 or 3 posters for every one who leaves. Frankly, a message board is no fun without a little controversy and bickering. Message boards die when all think a like. Right now there is but one who needs to go, fake purpIehazed, when you have to pretend to be another poster, then I don't need you around and don't want you around.

I don't know who the fake PurpIeHazed is, but I agree, he should leave.

Also, BleedingPurple, you're delusional if you think new members come and want to read your crap. All the new posters do is argue against you. Then all the other JMU haters come to defend you and they stop talking, probably stop reading the board, because really people would rather ignore your constant negative talk than keep dealing with it.

NOBODY is coming to the board to vent their anger fresh. All the usual suspects are long time posters who for some reason think posting on a message board will affect change. And it does, but the the change it affects is on the message board only.

I've had MULTIPLE (at least 8) conversations in real life with people who don't read the boards anymore, specifically because it's become a negative poster breeding ground. All you are doing is scaring away quality posters. Great job.

ALSO FIRE JEFFREY BOURNE I HATE THAT MAN.

He is right fans of JMU. I have destroyed an internet athletics message board by refusing to ignore an admin that refuses to communicate with JMU alum and fans.

For the most part I stay away from threads that are not conference related. I don't attack posters, players or coaches.

You are not better Dukes than myself or Dukeman. A willingness to ignore that JMU sports, with a $36M price tag, fail to provide the university with positive branding opportunities is not virtuous.

I am aware I say the same thing over and over...a mirror image of the admin saying nothing over and over...

We deserve better

(03-12-2015 11:13 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Yep. Being realistic doesn't mean you accept mediocrity.

This

(03-12-2015 10:59 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Thats part of the reason why I posted the list. There are about 70-75 mid major schools including a few in our watered down conference who are as relevant historically as JMU MBB. This is no reflection on where I want the program to be nor does it mean that I've set the bar low I just always find it interesting that some fans act like the guy who flew first class once and now can't fly coach anymore.

I wonder how the list would look if you included JMU and them ranked them by athletic budget.

I have no problem with the JMU brand being more about academics than sports. It's my preference and it's why I went to JMU. I just think JMU spends an inordinate amount on Sports compared to the results.

JMU buys a first class seat, but is satisfied to sit in coach.

(03-13-2015 10:24 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Speaking of the CIT, looks like the CBS Sports Network is showcasing the tournament this year.

http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament...esults.php

But, they are only broadcasting the semi-finals and final game.

Also, interesting that Lefty is on the selection committee.

(03-13-2015 08:44 PM)Oldduke Wrote:  Also, interesting that Lefty is on the selection committee.

I would almost be willing to bet that if a team contacts the committee and says, "you let us play in your sandbox, and we'll host a first round game," they are included.