Not sure why we are talking in a historical sense but Philly area alone can claim:

Wilt Chamberlain
Koby Bryant
Gene Banks ('77 Parade magazine national co-player of the year - played for Duke)
Tom Gola (Born in Philly, NBA HOF)

Add Sam Bowie from Lebanon (near Harrisburg) and you have quite a prestige group from Pennsylvania.

(03-05-2015 10:32 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:22 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:09 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  There are plenty of programs stepping up.

The hiring of Herman, Montgomery, and Morris, is about as bold of a statement as there is.

Likewise, the hiring of Brown, Sampson, and Haith on the basketball side.

Unfortunately, we are in YEAR ONE, with three new teams. And, it'll take some time for the league as a whole to get up to speed with the HIRES that are being made.

You just have to be patient. It's unrealistic to expect a conference in YEAR 2 to be firing on all cylinders. Hell, look how tough it was for the defending NCAA Champion Huskies to get back to speed this year; and they're a blueblood program.

I'm tired of hearing all this bull**** from people that aren't really keeping tabs on the hiring/recruiting that is taking place across the board. Seriously, do you own homework Marv.

Maybe you should try doing some homework. Making a stupid statement about an all time Houston Cougars basketball ball team being able to beat an all time State of North Carolina basketball team; but either not knowing or failing to realize that a couple of Houston all time great players lost to a North Carolina State team in the national championship game that didn't have one player that would have even been on the all time North Carolina list. Btw, try looking up some of the players that came out of North Carolina. That list didn't even have North Carolina. Guys like Walter Davis, Sleepy Floyd, Danny Manning, Rodney Rogers or Blue Edwards on it.

Back to the subject at hand; all that ECU needs is a decent post defender and rebounder to step up to the next level.

Houston has 3 of the TOP 50 NBA Players of all-time (in the WORLD, not just ******* North Carolina). Hakeem, Clyde, and Elvin Hayes.

That's 3 out of 5 in your starting line-up right there. Add Don Chaney and Otis Birdsong to your backcourt.

Fill out your bench with a myriad of great supporting players that have played for UH, and I don't think you could say you're going to dominate Houston.

You obviously don't know the game well-enough to be taking offense.

I am old enough to have seen all of those Houston guys play. They were all very, very good. Elvin Hayes was a complete stud, but before you keep making foolish statements; go back and look at the list of guys that the poster put on his list. I loved Elvin Hayes, Hakeem and Clyde, but those guys would not handle guys on the North Carolina list. Look at the names again and then go and look up the history of those players:

C-Brad Daugherty
PF-James Worthy
SF-Dominique Wilkins
SG-Michael Jordan
PG-Chris Paul

G-Stef Curry
G/F-Pete Maravich (the only one you can argue wasn't NC grown but played his HS ball here)
G/F-Walter Davis
G/F-David Thompson
C-Walt Bellamy
G-Sam Jones (10 rings)
F-Bob Mcadoo

David Thompson from NC State is probably in the top 3 on that list. "Sky Walker" Thompson is one of the best players in the history of college and pro basketball. Hell guys like Cornbread Maxwell, Jerry Stackhouse. Blue Edwards and Phil Ford didn't even make the North Carolina list.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-728021-post-118...id11836021

(03-05-2015 12:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:30 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  I have never seen such a stark separation between the top and bottom halves of a conference like we have in the AAC - in both football and basketball - and it kills us in the rankings.

I don't want to see everyone with the same record, but the bottom teams have to improve if this conference is ever to be taken seriously - there's just too clear a difference.

Be careful what you ask for. If ECU pulls the upset of Temple, the AAC could be down to only two NCAA Tourney teams. Currently Lunardi has 3 AAC teams projected but if Temple loses to ECU, that will more than likely knock Temple out.

I feel for Aresco, this really was the worst time for the AAC to have a down year in both football and basketball.

The other conference welfare Queens would be the most upset if that happens.

As to the 2nd paragraph, why?

(03-05-2015 10:44 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:22 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  but either not knowing or failing to realize that a couple of Houston all time great players lost to a North Carolina State team in the national championship game that didn't have one player that would have even been on the all time North Carolina list.

IDIOT.

If those teams played 10 times, NC State would win one... and they got their one.

Houston would win the other 9 (and I'm being generous... it's more likely 9.9 over time).

It was a miracle, which is why it gets talked about. In no way is that a measure of those players being better than PSJ.

Idiot. They won the one time. That is all that matters.

Guy Louis didn't teach free throw shooting. Until allowed to think again then you need to stop.

(03-05-2015 12:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:44 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:22 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  but either not knowing or failing to realize that a couple of Houston all time great players lost to a North Carolina State team in the national championship game that didn't have one player that would have even been on the all time North Carolina list.

IDIOT.

If those teams played 10 times, NC State would win one... and they got their one.

Houston would win the other 9 (and I'm being generous... it's more likely 9.9 over time).

It was a miracle, which is why it gets talked about. In no way is that a measure of those players being better than PSJ.

Idiot. They won the one time. That is all that matters.

Guy Louis didn't teach free throw shooting. Until allowed to think again then you need to stop.

We're talking about all-time teams. Not one time flukes. Your post is irrelevant.

Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, but you aren't going to be seeing his name above Tyson's on any G.O.A.T. lists.

And, just because Douglass lost to Jesse Ferguson, that's doesn't mean JF>MT.

(03-05-2015 12:16 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:44 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:22 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  but either not knowing or failing to realize that a couple of Houston all time great players lost to a North Carolina State team in the national championship game that didn't have one player that would have even been on the all time North Carolina list.

IDIOT.

If those teams played 10 times, NC State would win one... and they got their one.

Houston would win the other 9 (and I'm being generous... it's more likely 9.9 over time).

It was a miracle, which is why it gets talked about. In no way is that a measure of those players being better than PSJ.

Idiot. They won the one time. That is all that matters.

Guy Louis didn't teach free throw shooting. Until allowed to think again then you need to stop.

We're talking about all-time teams. Not one time flukes. Your post is irrelevant.

The post is relevant because you are claiming that the greatest all time players in your program could handle the great all time players in the State of North Carolina's history; yet a couple of your greatest all time players couldn't even handle a bunch of kids from North State.

(03-05-2015 12:19 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:16 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:44 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:22 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  but either not knowing or failing to realize that a couple of Houston all time great players lost to a North Carolina State team in the national championship game that didn't have one player that would have even been on the all time North Carolina list.

IDIOT.

If those teams played 10 times, NC State would win one... and they got their one.

Houston would win the other 9 (and I'm being generous... it's more likely 9.9 over time).

It was a miracle, which is why it gets talked about. In no way is that a measure of those players being better than PSJ.

Idiot. They won the one time. That is all that matters.

Guy Louis didn't teach free throw shooting. Until allowed to think again then you need to stop.

We're talking about all-time teams. Not one time flukes. Your post is irrelevant.

The post is relevant because you are claiming that the greatest all time players in your program could handle the great all time players in the State of North Carolina's history; yet a couple of your greatest all time players couldn't even handle a bunch of kids from North State.

Upsets happen.

I love your logic though. I'm sure it does wonders with the mopeds as the bar is closing at 2.

(03-05-2015 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  These lists are arbitrary. Memphis needs to step it up a notch in basketball? Really? We haven't won less than 24 games a year but once in the last 15 seasons, and that one was 22 wins.

We had a bad season this year. Whoop. We're not going anywhere.

What is Memphis' record in AAC games since it joined the AAC? Your past records vs. the high school schedules you were playing then have no relevancy now.

(03-05-2015 12:30 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  These lists are arbitrary. Memphis needs to step it up a notch in basketball? Really? We haven't won less than 24 games a year but once in the last 15 seasons, and that one was 22 wins.

We had a bad season this year. Whoop. We're not going anywhere.

What is Memphis' record in AAC games since it joined the AAC? Your past records vs. the high school schedules you were playing then have no relevancy now.

Are you being serious? Memphis is known to schedule some of the toughest schedules OOC. 2 years in the AAC is a small sample size as well. We were ranked for the majority of last year. We are having a bad year because we are trying to work 8 new players into their first year of D1 ball.

Get over yourself.

(03-05-2015 12:07 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:32 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:22 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:09 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  There are plenty of programs stepping up.

The hiring of Herman, Montgomery, and Morris, is about as bold of a statement as there is.

Likewise, the hiring of Brown, Sampson, and Haith on the basketball side.

Unfortunately, we are in YEAR ONE, with three new teams. And, it'll take some time for the league as a whole to get up to speed with the HIRES that are being made.

You just have to be patient. It's unrealistic to expect a conference in YEAR 2 to be firing on all cylinders. Hell, look how tough it was for the defending NCAA Champion Huskies to get back to speed this year; and they're a blueblood program.

I'm tired of hearing all this bull**** from people that aren't really keeping tabs on the hiring/recruiting that is taking place across the board. Seriously, do you own homework Marv.

Maybe you should try doing some homework. Making a stupid statement about an all time Houston Cougars basketball ball team being able to beat an all time State of North Carolina basketball team; but either not knowing or failing to realize that a couple of Houston all time great players lost to a North Carolina State team in the national championship game that didn't have one player that would have even been on the all time North Carolina list. Btw, try looking up some of the players that came out of North Carolina. That list didn't even have North Carolina. Guys like Walter Davis, Sleepy Floyd, Danny Manning, Rodney Rogers or Blue Edwards on it.

Back to the subject at hand; all that ECU needs is a decent post defender and rebounder to step up to the next level.

Houston has 3 of the TOP 50 NBA Players of all-time (in the WORLD, not just ******* North Carolina). Hakeem, Clyde, and Elvin Hayes.

That's 3 out of 5 in your starting line-up right there. Add Don Chaney and Otis Birdsong to your backcourt.

Fill out your bench with a myriad of great supporting players that have played for UH, and I don't think you could say you're going to dominate Houston.

You obviously don't know the game well-enough to be taking offense.

I am old enough to have seen all of those Houston guys play. They were all very, very good. Elvin Hayes was a complete stud, but before you keep making foolish statements; go back and look at the list of guys that the poster put on his list. I loved Elvin Hayes, Hakeem and Clyde, but those guys would not handle guys on the North Carolina list. Look at the names again and then go and look up the history of those players:

C-Brad Daugherty
PF-James Worthy
SF-Dominique Wilkins
SG-Michael Jordan
PG-Chris Paul

G-Stef Curry
G/F-Pete Maravich (the only one you can argue wasn't NC grown but played his HS ball here)
G/F-Walter Davis
G/F-David Thompson
C-Walt Bellamy
G-Sam Jones (10 rings)
F-Bob Mcadoo

David Thompson from NC State is probably in the top 3 on that list. "Sky Walker" Thompson is one of the best players in the history of college and pro basketball. Hell guys like Cornbread Maxwell, Jerry Stackhouse. Blue Edwards and Phil Ford didn't even make the North Carolina list.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-728021-post-118...id11836021

Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell should have for his college and pro careers. Heck, he was the man used to dribble the ball up court against the press in college. Not bad for a center or power Forward.

(03-05-2015 12:30 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  These lists are arbitrary. Memphis needs to step it up a notch in basketball? Really? We haven't won less than 24 games a year but once in the last 15 seasons, and that one was 22 wins.

We had a bad season this year. Whoop. We're not going anywhere.

What is Memphis' record in AAC games since it joined the AAC? Your past records vs. the high school schedules you were playing then have no relevancy now.

I was about to post a similar reply. I do think Memphis will be fine but this isn't CUSA as much as people want to say it is. And teams like SMU got the message hence their recent resurgence. If some others could ascend like SMU this league will be just fine.

I have to agree with BigEastHomer. Using one game to discount and all time team is beyond retarded but not shocking.

How in the flying f*** did this thread become an argument about Elvin Hayes and The Dream vs. the state of North Carolina?

(03-05-2015 01:01 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How in the flying f*** did this thread become an argument about Elvin Hayes and The Dream vs. the state of North Carolina?

1st post was basically trolling anyway.

(03-05-2015 12:55 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:30 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  These lists are arbitrary. Memphis needs to step it up a notch in basketball? Really? We haven't won less than 24 games a year but once in the last 15 seasons, and that one was 22 wins.

We had a bad season this year. Whoop. We're not going anywhere.

What is Memphis' record in AAC games since it joined the AAC? Your past records vs. the high school schedules you were playing then have no relevancy now.

I was about to post a similar reply. I do think Memphis will be fine but this isn't CUSA as much as people want to say it is. And teams like SMU got the message hence their recent resurgence. If some others could ascend like SMU this league will be just fine.

This league is competive and there is no doubt about. Memphis has been consistant good till this year. We lost a lost of veterans and it's hard to replace 5 seniors with freshmen and jucos in their first year. Memphis will be back to normal next year with experience and influx of talent from the 2015 class.

Normal for Memphis is at least a sweet 16 not those last years Calipari

(03-05-2015 12:46 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:30 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  These lists are arbitrary. Memphis needs to step it up a notch in basketball? Really? We haven't won less than 24 games a year but once in the last 15 seasons, and that one was 22 wins.

We had a bad season this year. Whoop. We're not going anywhere.

What is Memphis' record in AAC games since it joined the AAC? Your past records vs. the high school schedules you were playing then have no relevancy now.

Are you being serious? Memphis is known to schedule some of the toughest schedules OOC. 2 years in the AAC is a small sample size as well. We were ranked for the majority of last year. We are having a bad year because we are trying to work 8 new players into their first year of D1 ball.

Get over yourself.

Its the whole reason why Memphis was listed as maintain in football, he was looking at this year only and not the past decade or so. If he looked at a decade of basketball and football he'd have flipped it the other way and made football needing improvement and basketball maintaining.

(03-05-2015 01:07 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:46 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:30 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  These lists are arbitrary. Memphis needs to step it up a notch in basketball? Really? We haven't won less than 24 games a year but once in the last 15 seasons, and that one was 22 wins.

We had a bad season this year. Whoop. We're not going anywhere.

What is Memphis' record in AAC games since it joined the AAC? Your past records vs. the high school schedules you were playing then have no relevancy now.

Are you being serious? Memphis is known to schedule some of the toughest schedules OOC. 2 years in the AAC is a small sample size as well. We were ranked for the majority of last year. We are having a bad year because we are trying to work 8 new players into their first year of D1 ball.

Get over yourself.

Its the whole reason why Memphis was listed as maintain in football, he was looking at this year only and not the past decade or so. If he looked at a decade of basketball and football he'd have flipped it the other way and made football needing improvement and basketball maintaining.

It is seriously flawed from that viewpoint and just gives people reason to troll

(03-05-2015 01:09 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 01:07 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:46 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 12:30 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  These lists are arbitrary. Memphis needs to step it up a notch in basketball? Really? We haven't won less than 24 games a year but once in the last 15 seasons, and that one was 22 wins.

We had a bad season this year. Whoop. We're not going anywhere.

What is Memphis' record in AAC games since it joined the AAC? Your past records vs. the high school schedules you were playing then have no relevancy now.

Are you being serious? Memphis is known to schedule some of the toughest schedules OOC. 2 years in the AAC is a small sample size as well. We were ranked for the majority of last year. We are having a bad year because we are trying to work 8 new players into their first year of D1 ball.

Get over yourself.

Its the whole reason why Memphis was listed as maintain in football, he was looking at this year only and not the past decade or so. If he looked at a decade of basketball and football he'd have flipped it the other way and made football needing improvement and basketball maintaining.

It is seriously flawed from that viewpoint and just gives people reason to troll

I'm not agreeing with him, just pointing out what he based it on and why Memphis' football and basketball is where it was on the list.

(03-05-2015 12:57 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I have to agree with BigEastHomer. Using one game to discount and all time team is beyond retarded but not shocking.

What is shocking is that he was unaware of the game when he made his retarded point. Par for the course I guess. The game wasn't a fluke either. The last play was, but in order for NC State to even make that last play they had to be close enough to win the game against the "so called" better team. No only that but NC State played well through out that tournament; so in retrospect NC State winning was not as shocking as people make it out to be. However, what I am learning is that some of you guys are to young to remember or weren't even born yet in 1983 to be speaking on the game.

(03-05-2015 01:01 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How in the flying f*** did this thread become an argument about Elvin Hayes and The Dream vs. the state of North Carolina?

Because those ******* ******** wouldn't let a random comment go. Having three of the Top 50 players of all-time at one school is pretty ******* rare territory. (There are ONLY 50 states... and there are only 5 guys on the floor at time)