First sweep by Tulsa since 1970-71. To go with first home loss to SMU since '53, and first home loss to Tulane since '92.

On top of that, the announcers couldn't even believe Shaq made a silly offensive call into double coverage, then the team immediately had no clue what to do on defense and allowed an open 3. Josh must have grabbed the wrong number card to hold up. Pure coaching; enough said.

Feel like you're getting $3m worth of coaching each year? Still don't agree, Pastner-ettes? I have 2 things to put on your mind about our coach:

1. Memphis fans think Pastner isn't the right man for the job? He's taken Memphis to 4 straight NCAA tourneys and having a down year. In 2015. So what?
- Lost to Christian Bros - never happened before...ever!
- Partner's wins vs good teams are far and few between...why his team's go out early in NCAA tourney. His teams are overwhelmed by decent teams in postseason play.
- Lost to ECU was worst lost "RPI wise" since 1990.
- He gets his wins against crap teams. He is 6-24 against top 25 teams as of 2-26-14 - we don't have a chance when we play a good team and get smoked when we lose.
- After home loss against SMU, Memphis is 0-8 against Top 50 RPI this year.
- Half the players on the Memphis roster don’t belong at Memphis if Memphis is the program it purports to be. Bottom line.
- Swept by SMU.....Twice this year?
- Atmosphere is dead inside the Forum. Worst in years. FANS DONT CARE.
- First sweep by Tulsa since 1970-71. To go with first home loss to SMU since '53, and first home loss to Tulane since '92.
- Most home losses in 1 season since 2004.
- Worst avg home attendance in 15 years.

2. But wait...Memphis fans expect too much. I mean...you're Memphis. What makes you think this is an elite basketball program?
- Memphis plays in one of the best arenas in the country.
- Memphis can easily pay top dollar for the right coach. Pastner makes as much as top performers...Caliapri, Pitino, etc.
- Ranked 10th in total wins over last 25 years of ALL Division 1 basketball programs.
- Ranked in top 5 nationally in both total attendance and avg per game.

So if you say Memphis isn't an ideal job and deserves better than Pastner, your reasoning is what?

What you say is so right. I have a belly full of CJP. He can't leave quick enough for me. A good guy...yes. A good coach...hell NO!!!

Dayum

(02-28-2015 10:55 PM)M_Tiger Wrote:  First sweep by Tulsa since 1970-71. To go with first home loss to SMU since '53, and first home loss to Tulane since '92.

On top of that, the announcers couldn't even believe Shaq made a silly offensive call into double coverage, then the team immediately had no clue what to do on defense and allowed an open 3. Josh must have grabbed the wrong number card to hold up. Pure coaching; enough said.

Feel like you're getting $3m worth of coaching each year? Still don't agree, Pastner-ettes? I have 2 things to put on your mind about our coach:

1. Memphis fans think Pastner isn't the right man for the job? He's taken Memphis to 4 straight NCAA tourneys and having a down year. In 2015. So what?
- Lost to Christian Bros - never happened before...ever!
- Partner's wins vs good teams are far and few between...why his team's go out early in NCAA tourney. His teams are overwhelmed by decent teams in postseason play.
- Lost to ECU was worst lost "RPI wise" since 1990.
- He gets his wins against crap teams. He is 6-24 against top 25 teams as of 2-26-14 - we don't have a chance when we play a good team and get smoked when we lose.
- After home loss against SMU, Memphis is 0-8 against Top 50 RPI this year.
- Half the players on the Memphis roster don’t belong at Memphis if Memphis is the program it purports to be. Bottom line.
- Swept by SMU.....Twice this year?
- Atmosphere is dead inside the Forum. Worst in years. FANS DONT CARE.
- First sweep by Tulsa since 1970-71. To go with first home loss to SMU since '53, and first home loss to Tulane since '92.

2. But wait...Memphis fans expect too much. I mean...you're Memphis. What makes you think this is an elite basketball program?
- Memphis plays in one of the best arenas in the country.
- Memphis can easily pay top dollar for the right coach. Pastner makes as much as top performers...Caliapri, Pitino, etc.
- Ranked 10th in total wins over last 25 years of ALL Division 1 basketball programs.
- Ranked in top 5 nationally in both total attendance and avg per game.

So if you say Memphis isn't an ideal job and deserves better than Pastner, your reasoning is what?

Josh's record here is a testament to the riches of homegrown talent in our backyard....That's why Memphis is a top tier program.....This is the best job outside of the bluebloods....If a coach can come in and have a nice blend of outside talent coupled with Memphis area players....we would domin8 Bball landscape.....

Look @ it this way!!!! The Lawson's are expected to save Memphis as well as Josh's tenure here....Well, those are Memphis kids.....No other program in the country has this luxury!!!! And Josh needs to seek other employment opportunities....as he is ruining a brand before our very eyes....How many more players need to defect before this phenomenon is addressed?

Our roster and our program are attractive. Add 2 mil and we can turn this around relatively quickly with the right hire.

The last 5 minutes of this game was a replay of just about every close game the Tigers have played this year.

Unorganized, disfunctional disorganization.

(02-28-2015 11:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 11:05 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 10:55 PM)M_Tiger Wrote:  First sweep by Tulsa since 1970-71. To go with first home loss to SMU since '53, and first home loss to Tulane since '92.

On top of that, the announcers couldn't even believe Shaq made a silly offensive call into double coverage, then the team immediately had no clue what to do on defense and allowed an open 3. Josh must have grabbed the wrong number card to hold up. Pure coaching; enough said.

Feel like you're getting $3m worth of coaching each year? Still don't agree, Pastner-ettes? I have 2 things to put on your mind about our coach:

1. Memphis fans think Pastner isn't the right man for the job? He's taken Memphis to 4 straight NCAA tourneys and having a down year. In 2015. So what?
- Lost to Christian Bros - never happened before...ever!
- Partner's wins vs good teams are far and few between...why his team's go out early in NCAA tourney. His teams are overwhelmed by decent teams in postseason play.
- Lost to ECU was worst lost "RPI wise" since 1990.
- He gets his wins against crap teams. He is 6-24 against top 25 teams as of 2-26-14 - we don't have a chance when we play a good team and get smoked when we lose.
- After home loss against SMU, Memphis is 0-8 against Top 50 RPI this year.
- Half the players on the Memphis roster don’t belong at Memphis if Memphis is the program it purports to be. Bottom line.
- Swept by SMU.....Twice this year?
- Atmosphere is dead inside the Forum. Worst in years. FANS DONT CARE.
- First sweep by Tulsa since 1970-71. To go with first home loss to SMU since '53, and first home loss to Tulane since '92.

2. But wait...Memphis fans expect too much. I mean...you're Memphis. What makes you think this is an elite basketball program?
- Memphis plays in one of the best arenas in the country.
- Memphis can easily pay top dollar for the right coach. Pastner makes as much as top performers...Caliapri, Pitino, etc.
- Ranked 10th in total wins over last 25 years of ALL Division 1 basketball programs.
- Ranked in top 5 nationally in both total attendance and avg per game.

So if you say Memphis isn't an ideal job and deserves better than Pastner, your reasoning is what?

Josh's record here is a testament to the riches of homegrown talent in our backyard....That's why Memphis is a top tier program.....This is the best job outside of the bluebloods....If a coach can come in and have a nice blend of outside talent coupled with Memphis area players....we would domin8 Bball landscape.....

Look @ it this way!!!! The Lawson's are expected to save Memphis as well as Josh's tenure here....Well, those are Memphis kids.....No other program in the country has this luxury!!!! And Josh needs to seek other employment opportunities....as he is ruining a brand before our very eyes....How many more players need to defect before this phenomenon is addressed?

Gotta get a PG who can play and lead.

I honestly didn't see any coaching issues from the Tulsa game. Austin going down hurt but Tulsa just had the better players.

That was the only sad thing.

(02-28-2015 10:55 PM)M_Tiger Wrote:  First sweep by Tulsa since 1970-71. To go with first home loss to SMU since '53, and first home loss to Tulane since '92.

On top of that, the announcers couldn't even believe Shaq made a silly offensive call into double coverage, then the team immediately had no clue what to do on defense and allowed an open 3. Josh must have grabbed the wrong number card to hold up. Pure coaching; enough said.

Feel like you're getting $3m worth of coaching each year? Still don't agree, Pastner-ettes? I have 2 things to put on your mind about our coach:

1. Memphis fans think Pastner isn't the right man for the job? He's taken Memphis to 4 straight NCAA tourneys and having a down year. In 2015. So what?
- Lost to Christian Bros - never happened before...ever!
- Partner's wins vs good teams are far and few between...why his team's go out early in NCAA tourney. His teams are overwhelmed by decent teams in postseason play.
- Lost to ECU was worst lost "RPI wise" since 1990.
- He gets his wins against crap teams. He is 6-24 against top 25 teams as of 2-26-14 - we don't have a chance when we play a good team and get smoked when we lose.
- After home loss against SMU, Memphis is 0-8 against Top 50 RPI this year.
- Half the players on the Memphis roster don’t belong at Memphis if Memphis is the program it purports to be. Bottom line.
- Swept by SMU.....Twice this year?
- Atmosphere is dead inside the Forum. Worst in years. FANS DONT CARE.
- First sweep by Tulsa since 1970-71. To go with first home loss to SMU since '53, and first home loss to Tulane since '92.

2. But wait...Memphis fans expect too much. I mean...you're Memphis. What makes you think this is an elite basketball program?
- Memphis plays in one of the best arenas in the country.
- Memphis can easily pay top dollar for the right coach. Pastner makes as much as top performers...Caliapri, Pitino, etc.
- Ranked 10th in total wins over last 25 years of ALL Division 1 basketball programs.
- Ranked in top 5 nationally in both total attendance and avg per game.

So if you say Memphis isn't an ideal job and deserves better than Pastner, your reasoning is what?

You may not like Pastner as a person or as a coach but you show your ignorance by calling him a clown. Incredibly disrespectful. I love this team because they have stuck together and they don't quit. Do I want to win? You have no idea how bad. But I will not bad mouth the coach or players. It will take care of itself eventually.

(03-01-2015 09:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I honestly didn't see any coaching issues from the Tulsa game. Austin going down hurt but Tulsa just had the better players.

That was the only sad thing.

I agree. Coach Pastner did everything humanly possible to keep things together after Austin went down. It was a hard fought, tough loss to a very talented Tulsa squad. They are deserving of their record and a possible at-large bid if they don't win the AAC tourney.

(03-01-2015 09:42 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  I agree with Saluki here. Most of the time last night we actually looked pretty well-coached if you ask me.

Tulsa is the better team this year and we gave them all they could handle until another bout of bad luck hit us (Austin going down... again).

That's just been how it has broken for us this year. Not all that dissimilar to football two seasons ago... by season's end we'd shown we could play with the top teams in the conference, even ranked teams, but we just didn't know how to win and couldn't get over the hump. One thing or another kept happening... bad breaks.

Austin goes down against Temple, we barely lose after controlling most of the game. Austin goes down against Tulsa, we barely lose after controlling almost from the tip. Hang tough with SMU but Markel went down, plus foul trouble and an unfavorable whistle (not complaining) did us in. Etc etc etc. We are playing these good teams tough, but just cannot get over the hump. Bad breaks.

I was there. Agree. Pastner did not make KJ lose the ball or the in bounds pass straight to a Tulsa player..that was a 4 point turn around. And the missed walks by the refs were simply unreal!!

I watched on tv. We were physically dominating them on the boards. We were bigger, stronger, and faster. We should've won, and they aren't that good. It's all coaching and system

It is amazing how differently people see things. It really is wild.

The confirmation bias argument is silly. We're not allowed to look for evidence to support our viewpoint or we're being biased? And it's just bias that makes us think that a charge should be a block or vice versa.

Every time I watch the team we seem chaotic and unstructured. Our offense is haphazard and we have frequent mental lapses on defense. Of course we have good offensive and defensive possessions but its not the majority of the time.

Every time I watch us against the American, despite how bad our guards are we look like the more talented team. We're bigger and more skilled inside and have bigger guards. Except maybe smu we should be beating all these other teams in the American. It's all coaching. You give an average coach our talent and he's finishing 1st or 2nd. we don't have the major talent advantage we did last year, just a very modest one, and pastner can't get it done consistently unless his team is waaay better

We were 9 points up with 4 minutes left in the FIRST HALF WITH AUSTIN in the game. Finished the half up by 2.

How many times have we struggled late in the first half? How many leads have we blown this season?

Yesterday was a microcosm of the entire season.

The law of averages ? Yeah they finally caught up.

(03-01-2015 10:17 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 10:15 AM)450bench Wrote:  It is amazing how differently people see things. It really is wild.

None of us are immune.

Wikipedia Wrote:Confirmation bias, also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, or recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in political and organizational contexts.[2][Note 2]

Ill say again, it's intellectually dishonest to bring confirmation bias into this. It's meant to be applied in scientific study situations, not matters of opinion. You can't empirically prove anything about pastners coaching. Hence, everything is opinion. You open the door to dismissing anyone who supports their opinion with evidence as "confirmation bias"

Example: I don't like the movie twilight. I think the acting is bad and the story terrible. That's my opinion and my observations on why. It's not "confirmation bias." Nobody went into the pastner era wanting to dislike pastner, he's done this to himself and it's just an informed opinion at this point that he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag

Man, you Pasterettes kill me. Wasn't coaching? In OT, Shaq going in to double coverage to take an ill shot when 2 guards were wide open, only to have a confused Memphis defense give up a wide open 3 on the next possession. And those aren't my words, that came from both announcers live in the game.