(03-03-2015 05:05 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:29 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:00 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 02:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 11:20 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Holy Cross staying out was a huge blunder by them. Holy Cross actually was a regional power back in the 70's. HC was a national power in the late 40's. Their academics would've been fine...BC actually has upgraded their academic profile after joining the Big East.

Note: One glaring error in the article: Cuse didn't not cast the vote to leave Pen State out...they wanted them in.

https://sportslifer.wordpress.com/2009/0...-of-hoops/

Well maybe they didn't want to continue that. Chicago was once a national power in football. So were the Ivy League schools.

That was their call...but the cost is they have a lower national profile now.

The Ivy League has a lower national profile? Athletically? Sure. Every other aspect? No. Cornell, Harvard, Yale, Penn, Princeton, Columbia, and Dartmouth aren't hurting for name recognition and/or people that think that they're good schools (other than those lost souls who don't differentiate between research spending and academics - then Dartmouth and maybe Brown are hurting).

Holy Cross isn't in the Ivy League and gave up. Worcester is a medium sized working class city that would've supported an elevated profile IMHO. Maybe they are happy...but I know one former player thinks it was a spineless decision.

I assumed that your response was commenting on this statement:
"Chicago was once a national power in football. So were the Ivy League schools"

Holy Cross also has a nice MAC size horseshoe stadium, Fitton Football Stadium. Cap 23,500.

(03-03-2015 11:32 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 12:40 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  11 pages and nobody has mentioned the MAC inviting Temple as a bad move.

As far as hurting the MAC? Not really seeing it as being that big of a deal. The MAC received money and home basketball games from a decent basketball school. They allowed for easy wins at the start and by the end were able to get to bowl games and win some. The MAC did end up inviting up UMass but even that was not really all that harmful to the MAC as it brought up a school that is not in their own area and thus later on they are probably going to end up hurting schools in non-MAC related conferences more than it hurts the MAC.

I wouldn't say it great but I am having a hard time getting a real wound from this. Maybe a paper cut do we really count that as a wound?

Temple would have been a better move had the MAC invited James Madison. JMU would have taken the bait on full membership. The CFP payout structure really provides no incentive to have more than 12 members, though.


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(03-04-2015 07:57 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 11:32 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 12:40 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  11 pages and nobody has mentioned the MAC inviting Temple as a bad move.

As far as hurting the MAC? Not really seeing it as being that big of a deal. The MAC received money and home basketball games from a decent basketball school. They allowed for easy wins at the start and by the end were able to get to bowl games and win some. The MAC did end up inviting up UMass but even that was not really all that harmful to the MAC as it brought up a school that is not in their own area and thus later on they are probably going to end up hurting schools in non-MAC related conferences more than it hurts the MAC.

I wouldn't say it great but I am having a hard time getting a real wound from this. Maybe a paper cut do we really count that as a wound?

Temple would have been a better move had the MAC invited James Madison. JMU would have taken the bait on full membership. The CFP payout structure really provides no incentive to have more than 12 members, though.


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In that case you would say that the wound was not taking JMU not that Temple was the problem. Also I don't think in that scenario you take JMU. The whole point of taking Temple was to get a school with some basketball prowess that also fit the football mold of the MAC potentially. JMU could fit the MAC in football but it does not bring the football chops that the MAC was looking for hence why they went with UMass instead down the line (I also think they wanted to see how other things played out to see if any FBS schools became available).