what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

I doubt that it would take that long.

(03-04-2015 11:51 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

I doubt that it would take that long.

lol, you are probably right!!!!

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

Marshall played 2 games in conference play all year long that finished above .500. Western Kentucky and Rice.

(03-04-2015 12:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

Marshall played 2 games in conference play all year long that finished above .500. Western Kentucky and Rice.

They had a pretty cake schedule, no doubt. ODU played 5 conference games against teams above .500 and MT who finished at .500 so it's not like there weren't winning programs in CUSA.

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

The way that's calculated is pretty questionable. The year before, CUSA was the worst of the G5 (I never really bought that either). It seems that wins over bad teams from other conferences are more valuable than wins over P5 or close loses to good teams. When it comes to this measure, its really a lot more random than it would appear. Its more about how the schedule lays out. Its really more advantageous for your conference squads to luck into playing the worst teams in other G5 conferences than it is to have a challenging OOC. The computer models probably need some tweaking---but it is what it is. Its always going to be a crapshoot when it comes down to just a handful of OOC games.

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

The way that's calculated is pretty questionable. The year before, CUSA was the worst of the G5 (I never really bought that either).

Because you're looking at the top. In 2013 you had 6 teams in CUSA with 4 or less wins.

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

The way that's calculated is pretty questionable.

Not really. Sagarin had the AAC behind C-USA, and Massey's composite of 100+ ranking systems also has us behind C-USA.

Given the objective evidence, there is no way the CFP Committee could have ranked the AAC ahead of C-USA. C-USA was simply the better football conference last year.

(03-04-2015 12:58 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

The way that's calculated is pretty questionable. The year before, CUSA was the worst of the G5 (I never really bought that either).

Because you're looking at the top. In 2013 you had 6 teams in CUSA with 4 or less wins.

Yup. CUSA also had 8 bowl qualified teams and 3 10-game winners that year (plus another with 9 wins and one with 8 wins). They went 3-3 in bowl games. Doesn't sound like the worst conference in FBS to me.

(03-04-2015 01:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

The way that's calculated is pretty questionable.

Not really. Sagarin had the AAC behind C-USA, and Massey's composite of 100+ ranking systems also has us behind C-USA.

Given the objective evidence, there is no way the CFP Committee could have ranked the AAC ahead of C-USA. C-USA was simply the better football conference last year.

There is a reason the computer polls no longer account for 1/3 of deciding process for college playoff participants.

(03-04-2015 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:58 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

The way that's calculated is pretty questionable. The year before, CUSA was the worst of the G5 (I never really bought that either).

Because you're looking at the top. In 2013 you had 6 teams in CUSA with 4 or less wins.

Yup. CUSA also had 8 bowl qualified teams and 3 10-game winners that year (plus another with 9 wins and one with 8 wins). They went 3-3 in bowl games. Doesn't sound like the worst conference in FBS to me.

Then who would be? The Sun Belt had 7 out of 8 teams bowl eligible that year. The MAC and CUSA look pretty comparable that year but the MAC had a fatter middle and a leaner bottom. Somebody's got to be last.

I think the biggest problem with the AAC was its propensity to be schizophrenic and lack of identity. Houston started awful but then picked up. UC had a rough start. UCF struggled in the beginning. Temple was all over the place. ECU started fast but then slumped. Out of all the schools the only one that was positively consistent was Memphis. I don't define consistency as winning, but by play. Negatively consistent on the other hand, there were a few. We are struggling to find an identity between the hybrid of cusa and the BE.

The way to solve this is to have an 8 team playoff- take the top 5 conf champs from the G5, then the top ranked conf champ from the rest - meaning MW, CUSA and AAC will always have a spot if they are deserving - and 2 at large (if Boise St is #3 and Cincinatti is #7, then Cini can qualify as an at-large).

If you guarantee G5 champs a spot in the playoff- you instantly bring stability as the B12 has no reason to go anywhere - you probably push AAC and MW to solidify their membership a little more

(02-23-2015 07:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  We are different than the G4. I see nothing wrong with that.

In what way are you different/better than the MWC?

(03-04-2015 12:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

Marshall played 2 games in conference play all year long that finished above .500. Western Kentucky and Rice.

Played Louisiana Tech in the championship game, too. And Western Kentucky, Rice, and Louisiana Tech all won their bowl games (against the B1G, MWC, and MAC).

And I noticed how carefully you wordsmithed your response. Old Dominion, UAB, and Middle Tennessee were all 6-6. mturn017 has it correct. C-USA had consistency, and won three out of the four games played against the AAC (including UTSA over Houston, which was huge). The AAC had strength at the top, and some of the worst programs in the G5 in 2014 dragging down the average.

Yeah, our bottom half was not pretty.

(03-04-2015 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 01:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:27 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what's amazing about that Marshall idiot is his team was going to be left out of an access bowl even if they were undefeated because C-USA sucked so badly that it killed their SOS. If the AAC came inviting Marshall, it would take the Marshall admin about 15 seconds to accept.

No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

The way that's calculated is pretty questionable.

Not really. Sagarin had the AAC behind C-USA, and Massey's composite of 100+ ranking systems also has us behind C-USA.

Given the objective evidence, there is no way the CFP Committee could have ranked the AAC ahead of C-USA. C-USA was simply the better football conference last year.

There is a reason the computer polls no longer account for 1/3 of deciding process for college playoff participants.

And yet, that same CFP process uses six computer rankings - alone, with no other inputs- to determine the order of finish for the G5 conferences for the purpose of doling out the $15 million performance money.

Go figure.

(03-04-2015 06:14 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Yeah, our bottom half was not pretty.

Not only that, though. The top AAC teams were pretty soft too. The three AAC co-champs went 1-2 in bowl games, with two of them losing decisively to bad ACC teams, and the one that won needed a 53-yard field goal at the buzzer to send their game into OT before they could win. And fourth-place finisher ECU lost to a basket-case Florida team in their bowl game.

So you combine a soft top with an awful bottom, and you get ... the 3rd place G5 conference.

(03-04-2015 07:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 01:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  No, it was their OOC that killed their SOS. Top to bottom CUSA was the 2nd best G5 conference behind MWC. The AAC had some good teams but also housed 3 of the 5 worst teams in the country last year.

The way that's calculated is pretty questionable.

Not really. Sagarin had the AAC behind C-USA, and Massey's composite of 100+ ranking systems also has us behind C-USA.

Given the objective evidence, there is no way the CFP Committee could have ranked the AAC ahead of C-USA. C-USA was simply the better football conference last year.

There is a reason the computer polls no longer account for 1/3 of deciding process for college playoff participants.

And yet, that same CFP process uses six computer rankings - alone, with no other inputs- to determine the order of finish for the G5 conferences for the purpose of doling out the $15 million performance money.

Go figure.

The CFP didn't decide that. The G5 decides how they will divide their money. I assume they also determined the mechanism by which the conferences would be ranked. I just don't think the computer polls are particularly accurate. They are too heavily influenced by garbage wins with too little emphasis on SOS.

As an example, look how highly ranked Marshall was in the computers all year vs where they fit into the CFP selection committee polls. Effectively, you can probably get a good idea of G5 conference finish by just looking at how favorable each conference's OOC is prior to the season. For a conference like the AAC that is making a concerted effort to schedule tougher---its a built-in disadvantage that it will just have to deal with going forward. But as long as the computers see a 1 point win over Idaho as superior to a 1 point loss to the #1 team in the nation, I will be pretty skeptical of the resulting output. That said, a season of football is only 12 games and OOC play represents just 4 games (or less)---so, there are few data points. It not a very good system, but it probably better than anything else available. Tweaking the way the programs handle SOS would go quite a ways toward making the result a little more valid.