(02-16-2015 04:32 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:30 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:14 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:01 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 01:41 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  It will take an absolute colossal f up hire on the next coach to make fans yearn for the josh pastner years.

The Experiment is over. Time to take a chance on the next guy. The majority of fans who understand basketball and what our program can achieve have seen all they need to see after 6 seasons of josh.

Those who fight for him for no apparent reason other to fight can follow him to his next job. You obviously aren't fans of the Memphis program. Just pastner fans.

Those that fight against him for no factual reason other than to fight can choose another team to cheer for. You obviously are not a fan of the Memphis program, just a Pastner hater.

What's up with all the hate language? No body hates pastner.

But if I were you and hooked my wagon to pastner I'd hate that decision too and would try to deflect as much as possible.

Carry on.

One thing is certain. It is a decision that you will not make. There is no doubt about it. I cheer for the U of M and that includes the coach. If and when a new coach is hired, I will cheer for him as well. I would suggest you do the same. Whining about it makes you a whiner or miserable if you prefer.

It's a message board there, bud...

Ok, what was your first clue?

(02-16-2015 11:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:18 AM)truest blue tiger Wrote:  That's why I say that this forum is almost unbearable now, the anti pastner crowd tries to shout down anyone that has something semi positive to say concerning Coach.

I don't know if that's accurate. I understand but I don't think it's accurate. It's the Pastner boot licker comments that bring the ire. And vice versa, to be fair, so I hear ya.
Either way, the fan base is divided worse than I can remember. Until a change is made, it's probably gonna get worse.

I honestly can think of MAYBE 2 or 3 posters who would be even in the conversation as boot lickers. Every poster is at least a little bit critical of Pastner.

Contrast to that to the dozen or so posters who NEVER have anything good to say about Pastner, complain about everything he does, never give him credit for anything, and sound virtually indistinguishable from each other.

(02-16-2015 12:16 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Larry didn't get sick until 2000 or 2001

Why are you lying? Incredible.

Attributed to having the honor of coaching Memphis in while in the softest conference in school history.

Funny how the pro Pazners leave this tidbit out each and every time....

(02-16-2015 03:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:41 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 09:06 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  I love Larry Finch and recognize what he did for Memphis, but let us know when JP has a player like 'Penny'.

He certainly has not had a player like Penny but to do nothing with players like Joe, Chris, Tarik, Adonis and Austin is pretty unacceptable. All he did with them is have all of us discussing how we would be better when those kids left. He is not a coach, time to face it and move on

He has done something. You just do not think it is enough. NCAA 4 years in a row.

"He is not a coach". Comical.

(02-16-2015 01:36 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  1986 Metro (when Finch took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Southern Miss
South Carolina

2000 C-USA (when Cal took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Marquette
DePaul
St Louis
Charlotte
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
USF

2010 C-USA (when Pastner took over)
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
ECU
UCF
SMU
Tulsa
Marshall
Rice
UTEP

It's like comparing A's to A's and B's to B's for two college students, one of whom took a second year college final exam schedule while the other took a 7th grade junior high exam schedule. I guess the latter would be far superior academically if he scored higher, right?

You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here. If that's what it takes to make someone look good, don't you realize you've lost the argument?

Pastner has generally played tougher overall schedules than Cal did, AND there is very little difference between their records during their first 5 years at Memphis.

Quote:You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here

The problem with you and posters like you, is that you are a little thick. You don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that Pastner won one more game than Cal did his first 5 years; that Cal had 9 years experience as a coach and Pastner had none, and that it really was a terrific accomplishment to get to the tournament 4 out of his first 5 years.

(02-16-2015 02:32 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:30 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:14 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:01 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 01:41 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  It will take an absolute colossal f up hire on the next coach to make fans yearn for the josh pastner years.

The Experiment is over. Time to take a chance on the next guy. The majority of fans who understand basketball and what our program can achieve have seen all they need to see after 6 seasons of josh.

Those who fight for him for no apparent reason other to fight can follow him to his next job. You obviously aren't fans of the Memphis program. Just pastner fans.

Those that fight against him for no factual reason other than to fight can choose another team to cheer for. You obviously are not a fan of the Memphis program, just a Pastner hater.

What's up with all the hate language? No body hates pastner.

But if I were you and hooked my wagon to pastner I'd hate that decision too and would try to deflect as much as possible.

Carry on.

One thing is certain. It is a decision that you will not make. There is no doubt about it. I cheer for the U of M and that includes the coach. If and when a new coach is hired, I will cheer for him as well. I would suggest you do the same. Whining about it makes you a whiner or miserable if you prefer.

If I have an opinion I'll voice it.

If you want others to think for you go right ahead.

To each his own.

What other opinion do you have exactly? You hate Pastner and that is your only opinion. Your sole purpose in life is to make every single one of your posts about how much you hate Pastner.

You created an ID so you could spend 100% of your time on a message board, bashing the coach. Pathetic.

(02-16-2015 04:47 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Attributed to having the honor of coaching Memphis in while in the softest conference in school history.

Funny how the pro Pazners leave this tidbit out each and every time....

(02-16-2015 03:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:41 PM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 09:06 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  I love Larry Finch and recognize what he did for Memphis, but let us know when JP has a player like 'Penny'.

He certainly has not had a player like Penny but to do nothing with players like Joe, Chris, Tarik, Adonis and Austin is pretty unacceptable. All he did with them is have all of us discussing how we would be better when those kids left. He is not a coach, time to face it and move on

He has done something. You just do not think it is enough. NCAA 4 years in a row.

"He is not a coach". Comical.

Amazing how some of our not so intelligent fans aren't bright enough to realize that Pastner's overall schedule has more often than not been tougher than Cal's.

(02-16-2015 03:27 PM)truest blue tiger Wrote:  How many of you stand up fans would walk away from a very well paying job, especially one that you thought that you could turn around, but more importantly, that you feel you've had success at? We the fan base can keep griping and complaining all we want, Coach is not going to walk away unless he's bought out. And honestly, which of you would walk away. That's why it's frustrating to me trying to read this forum. You can blame the as you call them, Pastner boot lickers, as being the problem. But what is wrong with those that are willing to accept that this is a horrible year, and are willing to give it another year, just because some don't agree with you, doesn't mean that they're wrong. Both sides throw out stats, but you read into it what you want to. Yes the fan base is devided, but not one fist waver, or 'boot licker' is going to change one thing. You want him gone? Pony Up the doe, otherwise he's going to be here until those that pay his salary say otherwise.

So if Tic Price would have remained our coach for let’s say 6-7 or 10+ years you would have remained a loyal supporter and attended every home game?

(02-16-2015 03:33 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 01:41 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  It will take an absolute colossal f up hire on the next coach to make fans yearn for the josh pastner years.

The Experiment is over. Time to take a chance on the next guy. The majority of fans who understand basketball and what our program can achieve have seen all they need to see after 6 seasons of josh.

Those who fight for him for no apparent reason other to fight can follow him to his next job. You obviously aren't fans of the Memphis program. Just pastner fans.

Recently banned and reemerged.

Of course.

FACTS from the "Happy Clapper" thread:

Post#87 (link)

(12-14-2014 10:32 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Pro Paz gang don't understand, or don't want to understand, that the league just so happened to be the weakest it has ever been in Memphis basketball history during the 1st five years of Josh's career.

That's not my opinion, that's what the stat websites point out.

During Finch's and Cal's years, there were consecutive years where multiple cusa conference teams made the tourney... Before cusa was raided in 05 there was a year SIX teams got in. THAT'S how tough cusa used to be...

When Josh took over, only Memphis advanced per season...

More FACTS regards to the strength of CUSA throughout history:

Fact Post#21 (link) of the "Pastner's first 5 years - let's try this again" thread:

(11-21-2014 01:21 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Sweet 16s for CUSA during the following time span:

Finch (again first two yrs of CUSA): Two teams in '95/96' and one the next season.

Cal: 4 out of 5 years CUSA had a team advance to the rnd of 16

Josh: Zero in five years.



I'd say this is enough to conclude CUSA during Cal's and Finch's years were nothing like Josh's years therefore any attempt to perform head up wins/losses is asinine dont you think??

(02-16-2015 04:42 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:18 AM)truest blue tiger Wrote:  That's why I say that this forum is almost unbearable now, the anti pastner crowd tries to shout down anyone that has something semi positive to say concerning Coach.

I don't know if that's accurate. I understand but I don't think it's accurate. It's the Pastner boot licker comments that bring the ire. And vice versa, to be fair, so I hear ya.
Either way, the fan base is divided worse than I can remember. Until a change is made, it's probably gonna get worse.

I honestly can think of MAYBE 2 or 3 posters who would be even in the conversation as boot lickers. Every poster is at least a little bit critical of Pastner.

Contrast to that to the dozen or so posters who NEVER have anything good to say about Pastner, complain about everything he does, never give him credit for anything, and sound virtually indistinguishable from each other.

Certainly possible, either way you look at it.

(02-16-2015 04:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:32 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:30 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:14 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:01 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  Those that fight against him for no factual reason other than to fight can choose another team to cheer for. You obviously are not a fan of the Memphis program, just a Pastner hater.

What's up with all the hate language? No body hates pastner.

But if I were you and hooked my wagon to pastner I'd hate that decision too and would try to deflect as much as possible.

Carry on.

One thing is certain. It is a decision that you will not make. There is no doubt about it. I cheer for the U of M and that includes the coach. If and when a new coach is hired, I will cheer for him as well. I would suggest you do the same. Whining about it makes you a whiner or miserable if you prefer.

If I have an opinion I'll voice it.

If you want others to think for you go right ahead.

To each his own.

What other opinion do you have exactly? You hate Pastner and that is your only opinion. Your sole purpose in life is to make every single one of your posts about how much you hate Pastner.

You created an ID so you could spend 100% of your time on a message board, bashing the coach. Pathetic.

Lol, a true hater accusing someone else of hating.

Yet more FACTS from the "Pastner's first 5 years - let's try this again":

Fact Post#18

(11-21-2014 01:10 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Exactly.

Per statsheet.com, CUSA's history of sending teams to the dance goes as follows:


Finch two years in CUSA (don't feel like researching first five in METRO conf since I'd have to do more digging): Average of 4 teams per year which extrapolates to 20 teams in five years


Cal first five years in CUSA: Average of 3.8 teams or 19 teams in five years

Josh first five: Average 1.6 teams per.
That equates to 8 teams for CUSA in those 5 yrs with Memphis accounting for five of those with the other team in the play-in rnd more than likely.

(02-16-2015 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 01:36 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  1986 Metro (when Finch took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Southern Miss
South Carolina

2000 C-USA (when Cal took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Marquette
DePaul
St Louis
Charlotte
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
USF

2010 C-USA (when Pastner took over)
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
ECU
UCF
SMU
Tulsa
Marshall
Rice
UTEP

It's like comparing A's to A's and B's to B's for two college students, one of whom took a second year college final exam schedule while the other took a 7th grade junior high exam schedule. I guess the latter would be far superior academically if he scored higher, right?

You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here. If that's what it takes to make someone look good, don't you realize you've lost the argument?

Pastner has generally played tougher overall schedules than Cal did, AND there is very little difference between their records during their first 5 years at Memphis.

Quote:You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here

The problem with you and posters like you, is that you are a little thick. You don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that Pastner won one more game than Cal did his first 5 years; that Cal had 9 years experience as a coach and Pastner had none, and that it really was a terrific accomplishment to get to the tournament 4 out of his first 5 years.

Saying pastner played harder schedules is simply a lie. Show me the kenpom or any statistical measure that backs that up.

You're just spewing nonsense as usual.

(02-16-2015 09:29 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 09:23 AM)GringoStarr Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 09:06 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  I love Larry Finch and recognize what he did for Memphis, but let us know when JP has a player like 'Penny'.

He's had multiple top five classes.

See my quote. No one in those classes can wash Penny's socks.

One guy can't do it by himself. See Penny's second year when they lost Vaughn.

The point is that Pastner has had players that should have been able to get further than they did.

(02-16-2015 05:45 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 01:36 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  1986 Metro (when Finch took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Southern Miss
South Carolina

2000 C-USA (when Cal took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Marquette
DePaul
St Louis
Charlotte
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
USF

2010 C-USA (when Pastner took over)
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
ECU
UCF
SMU
Tulsa
Marshall
Rice
UTEP

It's like comparing A's to A's and B's to B's for two college students, one of whom took a second year college final exam schedule while the other took a 7th grade junior high exam schedule. I guess the latter would be far superior academically if he scored higher, right?

You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here. If that's what it takes to make someone look good, don't you realize you've lost the argument?

Pastner has generally played tougher overall schedules than Cal did, AND there is very little difference between their records during their first 5 years at Memphis.

Quote:You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here

The problem with you and posters like you, is that you are a little thick. You don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that Pastner won one more game than Cal did his first 5 years; that Cal had 9 years experience as a coach and Pastner had none, and that it really was a terrific accomplishment to get to the tournament 4 out of his first 5 years.

Saying pastner played harder schedules is simply a lie. Show me the kenpom or any statistical measure that backs that up.

You're just spewing nonsense as usual.

MARTY MCLIAR BUSTED AGAIN !!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!

(02-16-2015 05:45 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 01:36 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  1986 Metro (when Finch took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Southern Miss
South Carolina

2000 C-USA (when Cal took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Marquette
DePaul
St Louis
Charlotte
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
USF

2010 C-USA (when Pastner took over)
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
ECU
UCF
SMU
Tulsa
Marshall
Rice
UTEP

It's like comparing A's to A's and B's to B's for two college students, one of whom took a second year college final exam schedule while the other took a 7th grade junior high exam schedule. I guess the latter would be far superior academically if he scored higher, right?

You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here. If that's what it takes to make someone look good, don't you realize you've lost the argument?

Pastner has generally played tougher overall schedules than Cal did, AND there is very little difference between their records during their first 5 years at Memphis.

Quote:You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here

The problem with you and posters like you, is that you are a little thick. You don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that Pastner won one more game than Cal did his first 5 years; that Cal had 9 years experience as a coach and Pastner had none, and that it really was a terrific accomplishment to get to the tournament 4 out of his first 5 years.

Saying pastner played harder schedules is simply a lie. Show me the kenpom or any statistical measure that backs that up.

You're just spewing nonsense as usual.

There's a reason he stammers. It's because his lips work a lot faster than his brain. Pastner played in a cupcake conference his first four years and went 106-34. Now that he's in a competitive league, even a . . . well . . . even a poster like Stammers can do the math. 39-20 playing competitive teams instead of cupcakes. And that's with four more years of experience coaching.

Even if the teams Paster's teams played when we were in C-USAII were tougher than when we were in the Metro or C-USAI (and they weren't), what did he do against the tough ones? Finch and Cal both beat over twice as many ranked teams in their first six years as Pastner did. When they played tough teams, they won more times -- because they were better coaches. Pretty simple for most people, don't you think?

Pastner played in a cupcake conference for four years and got a gaudy win record (just like Cal before him) and 3 autobids, for which the Pastner Posse gives him credit for being a great coach -- an auto bid in C-USAII followed by a curb stomping in the first weekend. Wow, that's what I call great!

Then his school switched leagues, and we were no better than middle of the pack with the best team we've had since our last Sweet 16 under Cal (and that's where we are again this year with a depleted team but a weak conference.)

He had one year when he beat 5 ranked teams with a bunch of seniors and graduates, and that was noteworthy. Still finished middle of the pack, but at least they earned a spot in the tourney and beat some good teams. Hats off to that year's team. He also graduated a bunch of players, and that was noteworthy. His players haven't been arrested or accused of heinous offenses at night clubs, and, for a 21st century Memphis team, that seems noteworthy. But there isn't anything else. No comparative records of won-loss, NCAA bids, nothing. Nothing else compares favorably when you take the blinders off and stop drinking the Koolaid.

(02-16-2015 06:18 PM)TigerStrong Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 05:45 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 01:36 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  1986 Metro (when Finch took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Southern Miss
South Carolina

2000 C-USA (when Cal took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Marquette
DePaul
St Louis
Charlotte
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
USF

2010 C-USA (when Pastner took over)
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
ECU
UCF
SMU
Tulsa
Marshall
Rice
UTEP

It's like comparing A's to A's and B's to B's for two college students, one of whom took a second year college final exam schedule while the other took a 7th grade junior high exam schedule. I guess the latter would be far superior academically if he scored higher, right?

You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here. If that's what it takes to make someone look good, don't you realize you've lost the argument?

Pastner has generally played tougher overall schedules than Cal did, AND there is very little difference between their records during their first 5 years at Memphis.

Quote:You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here

The problem with you and posters like you, is that you are a little thick. You don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that Pastner won one more game than Cal did his first 5 years; that Cal had 9 years experience as a coach and Pastner had none, and that it really was a terrific accomplishment to get to the tournament 4 out of his first 5 years.

Saying pastner played harder schedules is simply a lie. Show me the kenpom or any statistical measure that backs that up.

You're just spewing nonsense as usual.

MARTY MCLIAR BUSTED AGAIN !!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!

Who are you referring to as the liar?

Cal 5.22 rating
Pastner 4.02 rating

Where zero is the average. The higher the number above average the harder the schedule.

Cal wins as expected.

Stammers harping on pastner winning one more game now looks stupid too. Easier schedule and could only muster up one more win? What an accomplishment.

(02-16-2015 06:39 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 06:18 PM)TigerStrong Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 05:45 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 01:36 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  1986 Metro (when Finch took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Southern Miss
South Carolina

2000 C-USA (when Cal took over)
Louisville
Cincinnati
Marquette
DePaul
St Louis
Charlotte
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
USF

2010 C-USA (when Pastner took over)
Southern Miss
UAB
Tulane
Houston
ECU
UCF
SMU
Tulsa
Marshall
Rice
UTEP

It's like comparing A's to A's and B's to B's for two college students, one of whom took a second year college final exam schedule while the other took a 7th grade junior high exam schedule. I guess the latter would be far superior academically if he scored higher, right?

You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here. If that's what it takes to make someone look good, don't you realize you've lost the argument?

Pastner has generally played tougher overall schedules than Cal did, AND there is very little difference between their records during their first 5 years at Memphis.

Quote:You guys have got to give this a rest. Wins in C-USAII were held against Cal by every sportscaster and all the fanbases of every other team in the country, but they aren't against Pastner by his loyal supporters here

The problem with you and posters like you, is that you are a little thick. You don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that Pastner won one more game than Cal did his first 5 years; that Cal had 9 years experience as a coach and Pastner had none, and that it really was a terrific accomplishment to get to the tournament 4 out of his first 5 years.

Saying pastner played harder schedules is simply a lie. Show me the kenpom or any statistical measure that backs that up.

You're just spewing nonsense as usual.

MARTY MCLIAR BUSTED AGAIN !!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!

Who are you referring to as the liar?

Cal 5.22 rating
Pastner 4.02 rating

Where zero is the average. The higher the number above average the harder the schedule.

Cal wins as expected.

Stammers harping on pastner winning one more game now looks stupid too. Easier schedule and could only muster up one more win? What an accomplishment.

Typical case of someone trying to use statistics without understanding what they’re telling him.

The teams Cal faced when we were in C-USAI were much tougher than the ones Josh faced in C-USAII. The eye test convinces most people without stats, but here are the rankings (by year):

Year - SOS Rank
2015 - 101
2014 - 24
2013 - 95
2012 - 48
2011 - 88
2010 - 92
Avg - 74.67

2006 - 71
2005 - 60
2004 - 43
2003 - 63
2002 - 65
2001 - 43
Avg 57.5

We averaged 17 positions higher in SOS under Cal’s first six teams than we did under Josh’s teams.

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketb...le-by-team