(02-04-2015 01:42 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 12:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh...the humanity of it all!

What you're not saying, however, is that you'll have to keep up with your mileage day in and day out. What percent of your average daily driver do you think will do that? What happens when you mess up?

Read the article...

Quote:ODOT, through Sanef, will offer a device that tracks mileage, but does not include a GPS. With this system, the user pays for all miles driven, whether they in-state or out-of -state. Users can opt to forgo the mileage trackers and pay a high flat rate.

(02-04-2015 05:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 01:42 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 12:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh...the humanity of it all!

What you're not saying, however, is that you'll have to keep up with your mileage day in and day out. What percent of your average daily driver do you think will do that? What happens when you mess up?

Read the article...

Quote:ODOT, through Sanef, will offer a device that tracks mileage, but does not include a GPS. With this system, the user pays for all miles driven, whether they in-state or out-of -state. Users can opt to forgo the mileage trackers and pay a high flat rate.

My bad. I wonder how much the mileage trackers cost.

Oregon gas excise: $0.30/gallon

Their "alternative": $0.015/mile

Soooooooooo if your vehicle does better than 20 miles to the gallon (even some FULL SIZE pickups can beat that) you're better off as-is. What is the f'n point? Why not just have a tag tax on all electric vehicles?

BTW, in SC Nikki Haley has proposed cutting the SC Income Tax from 7% to 5% over 10 years, but increasing the gas tax $0.10/gallon (currently among the nation's lowest at $0.16/gallon) with all the revenue going directly to road projects.

(02-04-2015 04:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 01:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 01:07 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If I make the "forgo the gas tax" choice, how does that work? Do I get a government issued debit card that gets me $/gallon at the pump minus the gas tax? Seems like an illogical waste of money to set up and administer this system. It would save me money if it was done by an odometer check, but I am sure as heck not submitting to government GPS tracking.

then you pass and pay the per/gal gas tax....

i like consumption taxation.....it's the only logical one in my book...

they will figure out the how....

The article explains that you can still participate and not add the GPS.

Quote:ODOT, through Sanef, will offer a device that tracks mileage, but does not include a GPS. With this system, the user pays for all miles driven, whether they in-state or out-of -state. Users can opt to forgo the mileage trackers and pay a high flat rate.

You just might end up paying more should you drive out of state.

For now, while they 'prove the concept.' You really think the friendly, innocent gubment will not eventually require it? Just give it 10 years or so. Orwell was right on that part of his story.

And I'm okay with driving vehicles that conserve energy and pollute less, to me that is being a true conservative, but I drive a 20-year old honda that gets better mileage than most brand-new Priuses, let alone the average vehicle on the road today. It is clean, new paint job, and I keep it well-maintained. It's paid for, the tires are cheaper, my car pollutes less, insurance is next to nothing and it has zero computers, GPSes or tracking anything. Less stuff to break, also. I have learned how to repair it myself, have access to lots of used parts, which are cheap and will for years and years.

Just charge the enviro vehicles an annual fee with tag renewal, along with charging bigger behemoth vehicles more for their increased wear and tear on the roads.

No one "needs" to know every mile you drive. No one. This country is becoming so communist it makes me sick.

It doesn't seem like that big of a deal. It's just a different way to fleece folks.

(02-04-2015 02:54 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 01:48 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  I am NOT saying I support this. However, this is a way to get some road-related usage tax from the guys that drive the Volts and Leafs.

My state has a gas tax, plus a sales tax on gas. Most states don't have the sales tax. My state is a craphole.

Or they could just surcharge those vehicles by themselves with their annual tag fee. Simpler, cheaper to implement, and far less intrusive.

I'd also rather they surcharge vehicles based on weight as the heavier ones wear down the roads more than the lighter ones. A mile driven by a Honda does not do as much road wear damage as a mile driven by a giant truck based SUV driven solo by a 5'2" suburban housewife.

I'd rather just keep the gas taxes the way they are and do those two things to pay for the increased wear/capture usage fees from enviro vehicles.

It's the continued creep of Big Brother everywhere that bothers me the most.

that's what missippy does.....but our property taxes are scary low...

why the two are related is still an enigma in my book (one is state, the other local)

this is really an interesting topic at all levels of revenue (local, state, fed)

this is one of those few times I wish a politician would recognize the value and run on a platform of livable and unilateral agreement....IMO, this one can be resolved....

again, it all falls under the premise of accepting a consumption tax as the methodology....

just one simpleton's op-ed....

(02-04-2015 06:42 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 04:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 01:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 01:07 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If I make the "forgo the gas tax" choice, how does that work? Do I get a government issued debit card that gets me $/gallon at the pump minus the gas tax? Seems like an illogical waste of money to set up and administer this system. It would save me money if it was done by an odometer check, but I am sure as heck not submitting to government GPS tracking.

then you pass and pay the per/gal gas tax....

i like consumption taxation.....it's the only logical one in my book...

they will figure out the how....

The article explains that you can still participate and not add the GPS.

Quote:ODOT, through Sanef, will offer a device that tracks mileage, but does not include a GPS. With this system, the user pays for all miles driven, whether they in-state or out-of -state. Users can opt to forgo the mileage trackers and pay a high flat rate.

You just might end up paying more should you drive out of state.

For now, while they 'prove the concept.' You really think the friendly, innocent gubment will not eventually require it? Just give it 10 years or so. Orwell was right on that part of his story.

And I'm okay with driving vehicles that conserve energy and pollute less, to me that is being a true conservative, but I drive a 20-year old honda that gets better mileage than most brand-new Priuses, let alone the average vehicle on the road today. It is clean, new paint job, and I keep it well-maintained. It's paid for, the tires are cheaper, my car pollutes less, insurance is next to nothing and it has zero computers, GPSes or tracking anything. Less stuff to break, also. I have learned how to repair it myself, have access to lots of used parts, which are cheap and will for years and years.

Just charge the enviro vehicles an annual fee with tag renewal, along with charging bigger behemoth vehicles more for their increased wear and tear on the roads.

No one "needs" to know every mile you drive. No one. This country is becoming so communist it makes me sick.

C'mon Mr. Melodramatic...settle down! Throwing around communism? Really?

Anything being done regarding a massive change to a state gas tax would be voted on by the the state representatives in the state or would be a ballot initiative for all the voters...you know...the same thing what happens every day in our representative republic.

And right now, it's a totally voluntary program.

(02-04-2015 05:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  BTW, in SC Nikki Haley has proposed cutting the SC Income Tax from 7% to 5% over 10 years, but increasing the gas tax $0.10/gallon (currently among the nation's lowest at $0.16/gallon) with all the revenue going directly to road projects.

What do you think about that?

(02-05-2015 10:24 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  BTW, in SC Nikki Haley has proposed cutting the SC Income Tax from 7% to 5% over 10 years, but increasing the gas tax $0.10/gallon (currently among the nation's lowest at $0.16/gallon) with all the revenue going directly to road projects.

What do you think about that?

I'm not GTS but it's probably not going to pass.

Not because it isn't a good idea (I like it, but would need to see some better explanation as to how they are going to make it work re: the state agencies that receive funding from the income tax and will not get any of the increased gas tax money earmarked for SCDOT) but because just like her predecessor she forgot once in office that the power in SC rests with the legislature, not the Governor, and she's waged an illogical battle of public opinion with them ever since she took office. I think she could propose issuing $100 to every SC citizen once a week while eliminating taxes altogether and it would face a hard battle to be approved.

(02-05-2015 10:24 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  BTW, in SC Nikki Haley has proposed cutting the SC Income Tax from 7% to 5% over 10 years, but increasing the gas tax $0.10/gallon (currently among the nation's lowest at $0.16/gallon) with all the revenue going directly to road projects.

What do you think about that?

I like it, if it is passed in one big woomph and made difficult to piece meal repeal. I don't want a gas take hike w/o the income tax cut. The gas tax does need to go up. Major state highways are in poor condition. Major state highways particularly servicing as the "scenic route" between suburbs and cities like in Greenville-Spartanburg, York-Rock Hill, Charleston-Goose Creek, Irmo-Columbia-Cayce, and Conway-Myrtle Beach (with the exception of the new Conway bypass) are in particularly bad shape.

(02-05-2015 08:36 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 10:24 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:33 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  BTW, in SC Nikki Haley has proposed cutting the SC Income Tax from 7% to 5% over 10 years, but increasing the gas tax $0.10/gallon (currently among the nation's lowest at $0.16/gallon) with all the revenue going directly to road projects.

What do you think about that?

I like it, if it is passed in one big woomph and made difficult to piece meal repeal. I don't want a gas take hike w/o the income tax cut. The gas tax does need to go up. Major state highways are in poor condition. Major state highways particularly servicing as the "scenic route" between suburbs and cities like in Greenville-Spartanburg, York-Rock Hill, Charleston-Goose Creek, Irmo-Columbia-Cayce, and Conway-Myrtle Beach (with the exception of the new Conway bypass) are in particularly bad shape.

We are in the same boat here.

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