(02-05-2015 06:23 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:41 AM)RustonCAT Wrote:  Other 5 recruiting rankings
1. (55) Boise St. MWC
2. San Jose st. MWC
3. BYU
4 S. Florida AAC
5. Cincinnati AAC
6. San Diego st. MWC
7. UCF AAC
8. Memphis AAC
*After this spot it's practically even*
9. Marshall CUSA
10. Western Michigan MAC
11. Temple AAC
12 FAU CUSA
13. LaTech CUSA
14. SMU AAC
15. Toledo MAC
16 Miami(OH) MAC
17 Louisiana Lafeyette Sun belt
18 Fresno state MWC
19 Arkansas state Sun belt
20. Northern Illinois MAC(85 overall)

MWC 4/20
AAC 6/20
CUSA 3/20
MAC 4/20
SBC 2/20
Clear winners AAC and MWC. Yes MAC has 4 also but MWC has 3 of the top 6 including 1 and 2.

CUSA MAC and SBC are so close together it's just easier to say ties. I personally believe Memphis, south Alabama should be ranked higher. S. Alabama took in a lot of UAB kids. UAB had some developed players. Not one is rated! And still only 3 spots behind NIU.. Memphis like s. Miss and Arkansas state always seem to recruit players just under the sec level and like normal scout, rival and 247 rarely find time or the effort to rate them.

Which recruiting service is that? Rivals and Scout give the following rankings for tallest midget:

Rivals:
1. (57th overall) Cincinnati
2. USF
3. San Jose State
4. UCF
5. Boise
6. BYU
(lowest P5 team here - it's Pitt)
7. SDSU
8. Marshall
9. Temple
10. FAU

Scout:
1. (46th overall) Boise
2. (59th overall) Cincinnati
3. BYU
4. SDSU
5. San Jose State
6. Toledo
7. USF
8. Miami
9. NIU
(lowest P5 team here - it's Colorado)
10. UCF

I used 247. They seem to scout more players than scout and Rivas combined.

But in all honesty stars don't mean anything!

If you have to fight to hang onto kids great. If your not then maybe you and any recruiting service has over evaluated them!

When mizzou, Illinois, Louisville and Mississippi state are recruiting some of your kids. And they rate as a 2 star somebody is wrong and I'm going to assume theses HC's know a little more than a scout or rival evaluator.

The rankings are useless, they go by what coaches think rather than vice versa. That should tell you something.

(02-05-2015 06:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The rankings are useless, they go by what coaches think rather than vice versa. That should tell you something.

Exactly my thoughts A-states signee Justin Clifton had mizzou and Louisville offer him night before signing day..he's a 2 star! Our class didn't have as much "flash" like the last few years but we got what we needed to fix our issues on Defense.

(02-05-2015 02:06 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I take a middle ground. If a G5 team signed some players who also received a few P5 offers, then a higher ranking may reflect that they may be getting slightly better raw talent relative to their peers. However, no amount of talent coming out of high school (at least for G5 caliber players) can make up for bad in-game coaching and horrible player development. Case in point, Miami under Don Treadwell. His three classes finished in the Top 3 of the MAC according to most recruiting services, those recruits led us to a winless season in 2013.

The HC ability to maximize its existing talent is the number 1 factor in success. Raw talent in bunches can change the dynamic. Look at what happened at Rutgers when they started recruiting like a proper power conference school. They started putting guys into the NFL and being good for 6-8 wins every year.

What the numbers this year say to me is that going forward its possible for a MAC school to get a Top 50 class and perform nationally. A MAC school could potentially be the best program in the sixth best football conference. Its possible for a lot of the MAC schools to build build a national brand now and Miami is one of them. The ESPN TV deal puts this conference in the same league with the AAC and MWC ahead of CUSA/SBC.

What I think is telling is where the G5 schools above the Mason-Dixon lined ranked with their recruiting classes. It shows Temple and UConn have really no advantage going down south to get a recruit. Cincinnati still does with Tuberville but once he moves on and the chances of making a power conference grow more distant who knows.

54. Cincinnati
59. Western Michigan
68. Toledo
73. Miami
75. Northern Illinois
78. Central Michigan
81. Ohio
83. Ball State
92. Bowling Green
93. Temple
98. Eastern Michigan
109. Army
113. Buffalo
117. Connecticut
121. Akron
122. Massachusetts
124. Kent State

Temple, UConn and Army got out recruited by most of the MAC. UMass did a horrible job with its recruiting class. All 4 schools would probably be better off in the MAC football only and in the basketball conference they enjoy like the Big East or A10.

A computational analyst on bobcat message board was able to track 3 star recruits received in the MAC and it pointed to Ohio's class being neck and neck with WMU's for the best in the MAC.

Quote:Edit - I am rating all the recruiting classes using a simple formula, (3 pts for a P5 offer, 1 pt for a G5 offer). I consider actual offers to be more accurate than recruiting ratings. It's easy for an analyst to assign a rating number, but when a coach makes an offer, he's putting his money where his mouth is.

I am listing the number of top players (6 or more points) recruited by each team, plus the average for each team. The former measure gives you a measure of the top of the class, the latter a measure of the depth of the class. The teams are being placed in order by the average points per recruit.

This took awhile as I had to cross-reference several recruiting services to find all the offers. The number before each team is the average points per recruit. After the team name comes the number of "highly sought recruits", and how many points each got:

Results:
4.67 WMU - 6 (Goulbourne 45, French 15, Tranquil 14, Tucker 7, Bellamey 7, Spencer 6)
4.57 Ohio - 6 (D. Williams 45, Christian 16, Hagan 15, Howell 12, Ball 8, McKnight 7)
4.27 Toledo - 6 (Green 27, Landry 15, Covington 13, Harris 7, Thompkins 7, Childress 6)
4.00 Kent - 3 (McRae 41, Simmons 14, Jones 11)
3.75 BG - 4 (Sotolongo 35, Lamar 11, Horstman 11, Bozeman 6)
3.16 Buffalo - 2 (Hawkins 23, Reed 12)
2.86 Miami - 5 (Bahk 13, Leever 8, McMullen 8, Allen 6, Ross 6)
2.30 NIU - 5 (Tears 21, Hughes 11, Pugh 10, T. Smith 7, Brown 6)
2.12 U.Mass - 3 (Lindsay 17, Thomas 13, Franklin 8)
1.56 EMU - 3 (Turner 14, Snelling 12, Figueroa 7)
1.31 Akron - 1 (Jordan 12)
1.04 Ball State - 2 (Thurman, 9, Gilbert 6)
0.50 CMU - no highly sought recruits

The most highly sought after recruits:
45 Goulbourne, WMU
45 Williams, Ohio
41 McRae, Kent
37 Sotolongo, BG
27 Green, Toledo
23 Hawkins, Buffalo
21 Tears, NIU
17 Linday, UMass
16 Christian, Ohio
15 French, WMU
15 Hagan, Ohio
15 Landry, Toledo
14 Tranquil, WMU

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard...334&Page=2

Ohio and Toledo have both put the most guys into the NFL over the last decade. Those MAC West fans who think Ohio's success has to do with playing in the MAC East ignore the fact that Ohio stacks up pretty even talent wise with the top MAC teams (even those of the West) regardless of the East being an easier division.

(02-08-2015 11:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Temple, UConn and Army got out recruited by most of the MAC. UMass did a horrible job with its recruiting class. All 4 schools would probably be better off in the MAC football only and in the basketball conference they enjoy like the Big East or A10.

Hahahaha.....MACtion baby! I can't even name the teams in that crappy ass conference.

(02-09-2015 04:10 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Hahahaha.....MACtion baby! I can't even name the teams in that crappy ass conference.

Likewise.

(02-09-2015 04:28 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 04:10 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Hahahaha.....MACtion baby! I can't even name the teams in that crappy ass conference.

Likewise.

Sure

(02-09-2015 04:10 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Hahahaha.....MACtion baby! I can't even name the teams in that crappy ass conference.

This is funny because your team currently has a MAC team scheduled on it's OOC schedule. You must not be a real tiger fan.

For a crappy ass conference, your Tigers are only 1-1 against the conference in Bowl games with a total point tally of 72 points scored against those two teams while those two teams have a point total of 83 points against your "supposed" tigers during those two games.

(02-08-2015 11:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  UMass did a horrible job with its recruiting class.

Totally disagree. I don't think recruiting sites and stars really mean much, especially for the G5 schools, but we had seven 3 Star recruits. http://umass.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits

And HustleBelt ranked our recruiting class 7th in the MAC.
http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football-r...o-niu-ohio

Quote:What a difference a month makes.

The Minutemen finished out the recruiting cycle extremely strong highlighted by the signing of OL Reche Thomas. Thomas reported offers from P5 schools such as Illinois and Purdue. At 6-foot-4 328 pounds, Thomas is capable of seeing the field early in his career at UMass. Sekai Lindsey is an explosive running back who is always a threat to score when he gets the ball. In a few years, we may talk about this recruiting class as the best recruiting class in the history of UMass football.

(02-09-2015 07:22 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 11:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  UMass did a horrible job with its recruiting class.

Totally disagree. I don't think recruiting sites and stars really mean much, especially for the G5 schools, but we had seven 3 Star recruits. http://umass.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits

And HustleBelt ranked our recruiting class 7th in the MAC.
http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football-r...o-niu-ohio

Quote:What a difference a month makes.

The Minutemen finished out the recruiting cycle extremely strong highlighted by the signing of OL Reche Thomas. Thomas reported offers from P5 schools such as Illinois and Purdue. At 6-foot-4 328 pounds, Thomas is capable of seeing the field early in his career at UMass. Sekai Lindsey is an explosive running back who is always a threat to score when he gets the ball. In a few years, we may talk about this recruiting class as the best recruiting class in the history of UMass football.

Your recruiting class could be ranked 13th in the MAC and end up being the best. Not much difference between the MAC teams IMO. If you have a good QB in the MAC that really goes a long way.

^ This totally. Ranking recruiting classes, especially in the G5 where you have to recruit under the radar guys, doesn't really make much sense or mean much.

(02-08-2015 11:42 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A computational analyst on bobcat message board was able to track 3 star recruits received in the MAC and it pointed to Ohio's class being neck and neck with WMU's for the best in the MAC.

Quote:Edit - I am rating all the recruiting classes using a simple formula, (3 pts for a P5 offer, 1 pt for a G5 offer). I consider actual offers to be more accurate than recruiting ratings. It's easy for an analyst to assign a rating number, but when a coach makes an offer, he's putting his money where his mouth is.

I am listing the number of top players (6 or more points) recruited by each team, plus the average for each team. The former measure gives you a measure of the top of the class, the latter a measure of the depth of the class. The teams are being placed in order by the average points per recruit.

This took awhile as I had to cross-reference several recruiting services to find all the offers. The number before each team is the average points per recruit. After the team name comes the number of "highly sought recruits", and how many points each got:

Results:
4.67 WMU - 6 (Goulbourne 45, French 15, Tranquil 14, Tucker 7, Bellamey 7, Spencer 6)
4.57 Ohio - 6 (D. Williams 45, Christian 16, Hagan 15, Howell 12, Ball 8, McKnight 7)
4.27 Toledo - 6 (Green 27, Landry 15, Covington 13, Harris 7, Thompkins 7, Childress 6)
4.00 Kent - 3 (McRae 41, Simmons 14, Jones 11)
3.75 BG - 4 (Sotolongo 35, Lamar 11, Horstman 11, Bozeman 6)
3.16 Buffalo - 2 (Hawkins 23, Reed 12)
2.86 Miami - 5 (Bahk 13, Leever 8, McMullen 8, Allen 6, Ross 6)
2.30 NIU - 5 (Tears 21, Hughes 11, Pugh 10, T. Smith 7, Brown 6)
2.12 U.Mass - 3 (Lindsay 17, Thomas 13, Franklin 8)
1.56 EMU - 3 (Turner 14, Snelling 12, Figueroa 7)
1.31 Akron - 1 (Jordan 12)
1.04 Ball State - 2 (Thurman, 9, Gilbert 6)
0.50 CMU - no highly sought recruits

The most highly sought after recruits:
45 Goulbourne, WMU
45 Williams, Ohio
41 McRae, Kent
37 Sotolongo, BG
27 Green, Toledo
23 Hawkins, Buffalo
21 Tears, NIU
17 Linday, UMass
16 Christian, Ohio
15 French, WMU
15 Hagan, Ohio
15 Landry, Toledo
14 Tranquil, WMU

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard...334&Page=2

Ohio and Toledo have both put the most guys into the NFL over the last decade. Those MAC West fans who think Ohio's success has to do with playing in the MAC East ignore the fact that Ohio stacks up pretty even talent wise with the top MAC teams (even those of the West) regardless of the East being an easier division.

Still delusional..........