(01-30-2015 03:27 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 03:05 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Poor analogy. What if your co-worker was threatening to destroy and kill your brother and is supporting the efforts of others to kill both him and you. You still going to kiss his arse?

(01-30-2015 03:20 PM)klake87 Wrote:  No. Iran, Taliban, ISIS can not be trusted. Iran will never stop trying to build a nuclear weapon. Once they get it, they will be similar to N. Korea. FYI, N Korea wants $10 billion otherwise they will start acting up again.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...South.html

I don't believe (and neither does the President, it seems) that Iran = N. Korea. The president has said, and I agree, that Iran is still a rational actor. Iran is a complicated country - much more so than N. Korea. Its not a traditional dictatorship. It's a country with some pretty deep divisions in their own internal politics. There are real reformers inside Iran but there are also hard liners. I share the President's view that the BEST shot we have to acheive the BEST outcome is to play the long game and slowly bring them into the fold. We still reserve the ability to take military action whether we choose a hard-line approach or continue what we're doing now. The difference, I believe is that the hardline approach only makes it more likely that this confrontation ends in war.

They are playing Obama. They are just dragging it out till they get a nuclear weapon. At that point, Our military options are greatly reduced as the threat of Nuclear war will stop any actions. The U.S. can not let them go nuclear!!!!

(01-30-2015 03:50 PM)klake87 Wrote:  They are playing Obama. They are just dragging it out till they get a nuclear weapon. At that point, Our military options are greatly reduced as the threat of Nuclear war will stop any actions. The U.S. can not let them go nuclear!!!!

So what do you recommend the president do right now?

(01-30-2015 03:50 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  If you believe that Iran is a "rational actor", that's all I need to know. No more discussion from me.

Amen to that, nothing else even needs to be said if the terrorist state of Iran is thought of to be a "rational actor". A huge disconnect from reality.

(01-30-2015 07:55 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 03:50 PM)klake87 Wrote:  They are playing Obama. They are just dragging it out till they get a nuclear weapon. At that point, Our military options are greatly reduced as the threat of Nuclear war will stop any actions. The U.S. can not let them go nuclear!!!!

So what do you recommend the president do right now?

Economically cripple the terrorist state of Iran with a boatload of unprecedented severe sanctions. Congress is trying to do the right thing.

The new talking point from the administration and now has even trickled down to top military leaders, Taliban is an "armed insurgency", are you effing kidding me. I just have no more words, no more words to describe this debacle. The Obama political machine has infiltrated into the military. God Help Us All.

(01-30-2015 08:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 07:55 PM)niuguy Wrote:  So what do you recommend the president do right now?

Economically cripple the terrorist state of Iran with a boatload of unprecedented severe sanctions. Congress is trying to do the right thing.

Ok, fair enough. Why do you think that really hard sanctions will prevent them from creating nuclear weapons?

(01-31-2015 12:34 AM)niuguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 08:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 07:55 PM)niuguy Wrote:  So what do you recommend the president do right now?

Economically cripple the terrorist state of Iran with a boatload of unprecedented severe sanctions. Congress is trying to do the right thing.

Ok, fair enough. Why do you think that really hard sanctions will prevent them from creating nuclear weapons?

It will at least maybe force Iran to finally make concessions with their nuclear program, its probably the only way to do it. This whole, let come back in 6 months to schedule another 6 month delay honestly cannot be much of a motivation for them to stop making their Israel-destroying weapon.

(01-31-2015 09:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 12:34 AM)niuguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 08:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 07:55 PM)niuguy Wrote:  So what do you recommend the president do right now?

Economically cripple the terrorist state of Iran with a boatload of unprecedented severe sanctions. Congress is trying to do the right thing.

Ok, fair enough. Why do you think that really hard sanctions will prevent them from creating nuclear weapons?

It will at least maybe force Iran to finally make concessions with their nuclear program, its probably the only way to do it. This whole, let come back in 6 months to schedule another 6 month delay honestly cannot be much of a motivation for them to stop making their Israel-destroying weapon.

The U.S., under this moron in the White House, may be too chicken-sh!t to do anything, but Israel will have the cahones to do whatever is necessary to preserve its existence.

I swear there has to be a reason to this. Obviously, I'm not surprised by a lot of your reactions, but a lot of you will jump on the pedestal and look for anything to put the president on blast. I think all that's being said is that they are not a terrorist group like al Qaeda... some different classification. And really, I think this is how the White House is trying to explain how they were able to negotiate with them without breaking the rules of the Patriot Act.

And from what ive read, a terrorist group is only a terrorist group if they have a significant global agenda. Otherwise, it's a localized group and designated an "armed insurgency", even if they do everything the same as a terrorist organization to instill fear for political change.

(01-31-2015 02:46 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  I swear there has to be a reason to this. Obviously, I'm not surprised by a lot of your reactions, but a lot of you will jump on the pedestal and look for anything to put the president on blast. I think all that's being said is that they are not a terrorist group like al Qaeda... some different classification. And really, I think this is how the White House is trying to explain how they were able to negotiate with them without breaking the rules of the Patriot Act.

And from what ive read, a terrorist group is only a terrorist group if they have a significant global agenda. Otherwise, it's a localized group and designated an "armed insurgency", even if they do everything the same as a terrorist organization to instill fear for political change.

The actual definition of what constitutes a terrorist organization is MUCH MUCH less stringent than you indicate. The Taliban is a terrorist organization, no one in their right mind doubts that. The White House will not admit it, just so they can continue to release the worst of their terrorists as "negotiations". And Dog Fan, I don't even think you can call it as him being "chicken S***" anymore, the man has an agenda and he is carrying it out. It is an anti-Israel agenda and I think some can argue now an anti-American agenda. There will be many books written about this President and many sections in history textbooks, and once history tells the truth of this man the headlines of these books and textbooks will be something to the effect of "How did someone with this background and ill-intentions make it to the White House, a post-mortem". America should study how this man was elected, how someone so ill-qualified with such ulterior motives could have won a presidential election. It is absolutely terrifying.

MD your argument isn't even internally consistent. If you don't believe Iran is a rational actor, then sanctions aren't going to work because they won't do a cost benefit analysis. That's what being rational means. And most experts feel Iran IS a rational actor, from the head of the Israeli Defense Forces to former heads of the Mossad to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey to the the CIA head now to the CIA head under Bush (see the 2007 NIE estimate). Make no mistake, Netanyahu and his jock sniffers on Fox are in the minority. But if you believe their thinking that Iran behaves irrationally despite the lack of evidence, the only solution is to start a war. And that's what they want (paid for by American blood and treasure), and that's why they're trying to blow up negotiations by tightening the screws on sanctions. It gives Iran an excuse to walk away from the table, ramp up their enrichment and point the finger at us for being the culprit.

The Taliban is a government in exile. Who cares if they engage in terrorism in their country if they don't want to blow up New York. All they want to do is rule their country half a world away from ours with nothing to offer the world market than opium so I say let them. We'd be a lot better off if Bush never overthrew Saddam and the Taliban, and we would have a lot less to worry about from Islamic extremists if we weren't arming Israel with the weapons they use to slaughter defenseless Palestinians and build settlements on their land. The neocons in this country have screwed us all, and Obama is struggling to limit the damage. Let's hope he succeeds. President McCain would probably have us involved in wars in Iran, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq and who knows where else by now judging by his rhetoric.

As for not surviving the next two years, yeah, I've had enough of this 1920s economic growth and depression era energy prices, the deficit being cut by 2/3, 8 million more people getting health insurance, imposing regulations on Wall Street after they crashed the economy and not starting crazy wars on false pretenses that last a decade. I don't know how we've made it this far quite honestly.

Max Power, Unemployment gonna start rising. The Oil industry (where the job grow was) is starting to contract. Obama is letting our enemies win. WE are cutting production (and jobs) not Saudis. OUR economy will be hurt.

Lower gas prices are also putting dollars in the pocket of every American family, so it's a form of stimulus that will grow our economy. Whether that replaces the lost energy sector jobs, maybe not, but the economy on balance is still doing well. Best year for job growth since 1999.

(02-02-2015 03:46 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Lower gas prices are also putting dollars in the pocket of every American family, so it's a form of stimulus that will grow our economy. Whether that replaces the lost energy sector jobs, maybe not, but the economy on balance is still doing well. Best year for job growth since 1999.

and 2015 will be a drop in jobs. Unemployment will go back up. Also, with congress allowing the extended unemployment to lapse has forced people to get a job.

The best paying jobs have been in the Oil and Gas industry.

(02-02-2015 03:56 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 03:46 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Lower gas prices are also putting dollars in the pocket of every American family, so it's a form of stimulus that will grow our economy. Whether that replaces the lost energy sector jobs, maybe not, but the economy on balance is still doing well. Best year for job growth since 1999.

and 2015 will be a drop in jobs. Unemployment will go back up. Also, with congress allowing the extended unemployment to lapse has forced people to get a job.

The best paying jobs have been in the Oil and Gas industry.

Good lord, you can't possibly believe that. Are you seriously saying you think there will fewer jobs at the end of 2015 than at the end of 2014? That's just silly.

You're the first one on here complaining when gas prices go up and to blame Obama. Now, gas prices are down, but you're still complaining about it and still blaming Obama. Interesting!

(02-02-2015 06:41 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 03:56 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 03:46 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Lower gas prices are also putting dollars in the pocket of every American family, so it's a form of stimulus that will grow our economy. Whether that replaces the lost energy sector jobs, maybe not, but the economy on balance is still doing well. Best year for job growth since 1999.

and 2015 will be a drop in jobs. Unemployment will go back up. Also, with congress allowing the extended unemployment to lapse has forced people to get a job.

The best paying jobs have been in the Oil and Gas industry.

Good lord, you can't possibly believe that. Are you seriously saying you think there will fewer jobs at the end of 2015 than at the end of 2014? That's just silly.

You're the first one on here complaining when gas prices go up and to blame Obama. Now, gas prices are down, but you're still complaining about it and still blaming Obama. Interesting!

I listen to and talk with quite a few economic analysts from some very respected institutions. Nobody I've talked to so far as predicted a loss in jobs next year just slower economic growth that 2014.

(02-03-2015 03:49 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:41 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 03:56 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 03:46 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Lower gas prices are also putting dollars in the pocket of every American family, so it's a form of stimulus that will grow our economy. Whether that replaces the lost energy sector jobs, maybe not, but the economy on balance is still doing well. Best year for job growth since 1999.

and 2015 will be a drop in jobs. Unemployment will go back up. Also, with congress allowing the extended unemployment to lapse has forced people to get a job.

The best paying jobs have been in the Oil and Gas industry.

Good lord, you can't possibly believe that. Are you seriously saying you think there will fewer jobs at the end of 2015 than at the end of 2014? That's just silly.

You're the first one on here complaining when gas prices go up and to blame Obama. Now, gas prices are down, but you're still complaining about it and still blaming Obama. Interesting!

I listen to and talk with quite a few economic analysts from some very respected institutions. Nobody I've talked to so far as predicted a loss in jobs next year just slower economic growth that 2014.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/02/0...=obnetwork

You can make the number what ever you want it to be. The jobs we are losing now(oil and gas exploration) pay extremely well. So we might create more jobs at starbucks and Chipotle. Thats a real career there.

(02-05-2015 11:13 AM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 03:49 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:41 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 03:56 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 03:46 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Lower gas prices are also putting dollars in the pocket of every American family, so it's a form of stimulus that will grow our economy. Whether that replaces the lost energy sector jobs, maybe not, but the economy on balance is still doing well. Best year for job growth since 1999.

and 2015 will be a drop in jobs. Unemployment will go back up. Also, with congress allowing the extended unemployment to lapse has forced people to get a job.

The best paying jobs have been in the Oil and Gas industry.

Good lord, you can't possibly believe that. Are you seriously saying you think there will fewer jobs at the end of 2015 than at the end of 2014? That's just silly.

You're the first one on here complaining when gas prices go up and to blame Obama. Now, gas prices are down, but you're still complaining about it and still blaming Obama. Interesting!

I listen to and talk with quite a few economic analysts from some very respected institutions. Nobody I've talked to so far as predicted a loss in jobs next year just slower economic growth that 2014.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/02/0...=obnetwork

You can make the number what ever you want it to be. The jobs we are losing now(oil and gas exploration) pay extremely well. So we might create more jobs at starbucks and Chipotle. Thats a real career there.

While I agree with you that Starbucks =/= oil jobs, the point is that the US is employing more people as a whole. The number isn't a 'lie' like fox news trys to tell you in their title. It is a fact, and they are trying to put a spin on it. Fox is trying to say that the numbers are misleading... Well, if you think that, then every single point of reference you have since 1994 is misleading. The official unemployment rate, as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor, has been calculated this exact same way since then. Bottom line, More people working = less unemployment/government funding.

(02-05-2015 08:49 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 11:13 AM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 03:49 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 06:41 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 03:56 PM)klake87 Wrote:  and 2015 will be a drop in jobs. Unemployment will go back up. Also, with congress allowing the extended unemployment to lapse has forced people to get a job.

The best paying jobs have been in the Oil and Gas industry.

Good lord, you can't possibly believe that. Are you seriously saying you think there will fewer jobs at the end of 2015 than at the end of 2014? That's just silly.

You're the first one on here complaining when gas prices go up and to blame Obama. Now, gas prices are down, but you're still complaining about it and still blaming Obama. Interesting!

I listen to and talk with quite a few economic analysts from some very respected institutions. Nobody I've talked to so far as predicted a loss in jobs next year just slower economic growth that 2014.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/02/0...=obnetwork

You can make the number what ever you want it to be. The jobs we are losing now(oil and gas exploration) pay extremely well. So we might create more jobs at starbucks and Chipotle. Thats a real career there.

While I agree with you that Starbucks =/= oil jobs, the point is that the US is employing more people as a whole. The number isn't a 'lie' like fox news trys to tell you in their title. It is a fact, and they are trying to put a spin on it. Fox is trying to say that the numbers are misleading... Well, if you think that, then every single point of reference you have since 1994 is misleading. The official unemployment rate, as reported by the U.S. Department of Labor, has been calculated this exact same way since then. Bottom line, More people working = less unemployment/government funding.

'That just isn't true, many have stopped looking for work, and those numbers are not included.