So there are:

1. People with male junk who:
A) Identify as male
B) Identify as female
C) Identify as neither
D) Identify as both

2. People with female junk who:
A) Identify as male
B) Identify as female
C) Identify as neither
D) Identify as both

3. People with both male and female junk who:
A) Identify as male
B) Identify as female
C) Identify as neither
D) Identify as both

4. People with neither male nor female junk who: (I assume that this category exists)
A) Identify as male
B) Identify as female
C) Identify as neither
D) Identify as both


Which ones are transgender individuals? I realize that sounds incredibly ignorant, but it's hard to keep track (no sarcasm) I think that it would be 1.B) and 2.A), but I'm not 100%

(01-22-2015 07:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 07:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I challenge you to find one case where a Transgendered person has abused the using the restroom they present as.

What, you didn't think there'd be a few morons amongst trannies?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361...charges-if

(01-22-2015 11:51 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  These are schools, right? Where people aren't above, say, 17?

I'm sorry, but nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to undergo a gender change. It is a BIG operation with life-altering implications. Teenagers aren't mature enough to make such a decision.

I don't think you fully understand what exactly the far left has contrived when it comes to what it means to be "transgender". You don't have to have a sex change. You can be born with the sexual organs of a man, and merely "identify" yourself as a female, and vice versa.

It's whatever they "feel".

You can imagine what sane parents worry that could happen in this situation. A male bully claims (as a joke) to identify himself as a female, and goes and wrecks havoc in the girl's bathroom. Are you going to be the teacher/principal/administrator to call "him"/"her" out on it, and risk being accused of a hate crime?

(01-22-2015 07:48 PM)G-Man Wrote:  I challenge you to find one case where a sexually mixed-up person, NEEDs to be in a restroom where other people with similar sexual body parts aren't present. How would it know whether the other people were/weren't themselves also sexually mixed-up?

For instance, if a transgendered peeniss bearer, were to be in a room full of vajina possessors, how does the peeniss bearer know the vajina possessers aren't all a bunch of homosexual men who were born into women's bodies by some cruel twist of fate? Sure, they would be attracted to men's penises, but that would only be because they were actually homosexual men trapped in women's bodies.

So, seriously, Uncle Tom, WHY would it be so traumatic to the sexually confused to have to use the bathroom designed for its current set of body parts? He's be right at home with all the other lesbians born into men's bodies by mistake.

Thread winner.

(01-22-2015 08:06 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  How many trannys can a single school possibly have? Not many. So this should solve that problem.

That would be an upgrade at some schools.


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(01-23-2015 12:43 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 07:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 07:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I challenge you to find one case where a Transgendered person has abused the using the restroom they present as.

What, you didn't think there'd be a few morons amongst trannies?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361...charges-if

Even the right wing site promoting the case is unable to validate the facts in this matter.

(01-25-2015 12:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 12:43 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 07:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 07:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I challenge you to find one case where a Transgendered person has abused the using the restroom they present as.

What, you didn't think there'd be a few morons amongst trannies?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361...charges-if

Even the right wing site promoting the case is unable to validate the facts in this matter.

How about that, you and a "right wing site" have something in common. You both have been unable to validate the facts in this case. With you however, you've been unable to validate ANYTHING to support your "community". Congrats.

(01-25-2015 12:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 12:43 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 07:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 07:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I challenge you to find one case where a Transgendered person has abused the using the restroom they present as.

What, you didn't think there'd be a few morons amongst trannies?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361...charges-if

Even the right wing site promoting the case is unable to validate the facts in this matter.

The fact that this guy had no problem using the mens room should have ended his use of the ladies room. Someone evidently thinks they are special.

Again, this isn't the 'rapist man in the women's room' that the fundys have been screaming about. I'm not sure a case like that actually exists.

(01-25-2015 01:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, this isn't the 'rapist man in the women's room' that the fundys have been screaming about. I'm not sure a case like that actually exists.

If I was a principal at a school that had a student with this problem? Id find a solution that would not involve him or her having to use a rest room that would cause a controversy. I imagine almost every school has a bathroom somewhere that could be set up for this accommodation.

(01-25-2015 01:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, this isn't the 'rapist man in the women's room' that the fundys have been screaming about. I'm not sure a case like that actually exists.

If I was a principal at a school that had a student with this problem? Id find a solution that would not involve him or her having to use a rest room that would cause a controversy. I imagine almost every school has a bathroom somewhere that could be set up for this accommodation.

The real problem is that the decision you are contemplating stigmatizes the child. Should the child have to go to the bathroom halfway across campus?

The easiest solution is to allow the child to use the bathroom consistent with the gender he or she is presenting as. If the child abuses the privilege, then come up with something else. If other kids are bigoted, then that shouldn't be the transgendered child's fault. Besides any other solution will invite lawsuits as it creates a special penalty for being Transgendered.

(01-25-2015 05:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, this isn't the 'rapist man in the women's room' that the fundys have been screaming about. I'm not sure a case like that actually exists.

If I was a principal at a school that had a student with this problem? Id find a solution that would not involve him or her having to use a rest room that would cause a controversy. I imagine almost every school has a bathroom somewhere that could be set up for this accommodation.

The real problem is that the decision you are contemplating stigmatizes the child. Should the child have to go to the bathroom halfway across campus?

The easiest solution is to allow the child to use the bathroom consistent with the gender he or she is presenting as. If the child abuses the privilege, then come up with something else. If other kids are bigoted, then that shouldn't be the transgendered child's fault. Besides any other solution will invite lawsuits as it creates a special penalty for being Transgendered.

It also creates special privileges for transgenders and that's also wrong. As for the kid being stigmatized, jeez, a guy peeing in the girls room won't stigmatize someone? What about the girls?

Most school kids do NOT want to be seen as different, so why broadcast that these kids are not only different, but special?

(01-25-2015 05:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, this isn't the 'rapist man in the women's room' that the fundys have been screaming about. I'm not sure a case like that actually exists.

If I was a principal at a school that had a student with this problem? Id find a solution that would not involve him or her having to use a rest room that would cause a controversy. I imagine almost every school has a bathroom somewhere that could be set up for this accommodation.

The real problem is that the decision you are contemplating stigmatizes the child. Should the child have to go to the bathroom halfway across campus?

The easiest solution is to allow the child to use the bathroom consistent with the gender he or she is presenting as. If the child abuses the privilege, then come up with something else. If other kids are bigoted, then that shouldn't be the transgendered child's fault. Besides any other solution will invite lawsuits as it creates a special penalty for being Transgendered.

Tom...Forgive my for not believing for a second that you care one iota about this child. You care about an agenda. What I proposed is "caring about the child". You could care less if he gets his ass beat and is traumatized by others as long as your agenda gets accomplished. I would not allow either of those. I would handle it in a discreet manner instead of "making a fcking federal case of it". I submit my solution is far less harmful than your agenda.

(01-25-2015 10:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 05:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 01:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, this isn't the 'rapist man in the women's room' that the fundys have been screaming about. I'm not sure a case like that actually exists.

If I was a principal at a school that had a student with this problem? Id find a solution that would not involve him or her having to use a rest room that would cause a controversy. I imagine almost every school has a bathroom somewhere that could be set up for this accommodation.

The real problem is that the decision you are contemplating stigmatizes the child. Should the child have to go to the bathroom halfway across campus?

The easiest solution is to allow the child to use the bathroom consistent with the gender he or she is presenting as. If the child abuses the privilege, then come up with something else. If other kids are bigoted, then that shouldn't be the transgendered child's fault. Besides any other solution will invite lawsuits as it creates a special penalty for being Transgendered.

Tom...Forgive my for not believing for a second that you care one iota about this child. You care about an agenda. What I proposed is "caring about the child". You could care less if he gets his ass beat and is traumatized by others as long as your agenda gets accomplished. I would not allow either of those. I would handle it in a discreet manner instead of "making a fcking federal case of it". I submit my solution is far less harmful than your agenda.

I didn't grow up Transgendered, but having a history of being the queer kid in a high school in Alabama, I think I can probably relate to the issues involved at least as well as you can. Having a special bathroom stigmatizes the child.

The only solution that even makes sense is to simply have the child use the restroom of the gender that the person is presenting as. Any other solution is simply perpetuating the problem of stigma and has no place in a public school.

If the school is filled with hateful bullies, then that's a problem for the school administrators (or the courts, in the case they won't act, as has been sadly the case elsewhere). Do you really think that having the school make the Transgendered student use a 'special bathroom' is going to lessen the bullying from other students? I don't.

At any rate, the bill in question is not the answer. And neither is the homophobe/transphobe sub-cretin that proposed it. The bill offers a bounty on reporting Transgendered students using the bathroom. Its obviously based on pure malice as its entire purpose is to single out Transgendered students for disparate treatment. Not all conservatives operate out of malice - but this guy - come on Fo, you know better.

(01-25-2015 10:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Having a special bathroom stigmatizes the child.

Are we really, seriously, worrying about whether some transgender kid is "stigmatized" behaving a separate bathroom? Who really gives a rat's ass? He/she is probably stigmatized by being transgender. Don't we really have more important needs to address?

(01-25-2015 11:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 10:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Having a special bathroom stigmatizes the child.

Are we really, seriously, worrying about whether some transgender kid is "stigmatized" behaving a separate bathroom? Who really gives a rat's ass? He/she is probably stigmatized by being transgender. Don't we really have more important needs to address?

Yea, it matters. If the state or the school system validates the child's differentness, then it creates an environment where it 'green lights' other people treating the child differently in other areas.

For Transgendered persons, the bathroom is a biggie. Remember, Transgendered persons feel that they are the gender they present. So demanding they use the other bathroom is psychologically damaging. How would you like to be told.."you - and only you - must use the girls room". Or demand that they go into the restroom opposite of the gender they present (which invites all kinds of problems).

I get that this one might be a hard one for some of y'all to grasp, but think for a second. Besides, many bars and restaurants are now going to separate doors/shared sink bathroom facilities nowadays.

And the problem here is that some neanderthal tea partier has tried to solve the problem by issuing a bounty on kids using the bathroom. This is obviously malevolence on his part.

And yes, the state of Kentucky has bigger needs to address than issuing bounties on Transgendered students using the restroom consistent with the gender they present as. But that's the tea party for ya.

(01-25-2015 12:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even the right wing site promoting the case is unable to validate the facts in this matter.

We'll presume -- just for ****s and giggles -- that the story is a total fabrication. If you are seriously basing the merit of your argument upon not being able to readily recall an incident of bad behavior by ANYONE who is lobbying for these changes for their own direct benefit, you are making a colossal mistake. We'll assume you like progressive politics. Do you think I can't find a tax cheating labor squeezing politician amongst the progressives? Do you think I can't find a gay drug abuser amongst evangelical preachers? Stupid hypocritical people come in all flavors, even tranny.

Transgender people are mentally ill.

This isn't a question of civil rights. If the kids are so damaged they can't function then they need to be placed in alternative schools or with the other disabled children. That's for their own good and the good of the non-disabled children.

(01-25-2015 11:16 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(01-25-2015 12:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Even the right wing site promoting the case is unable to validate the facts in this matter.

We'll presume -- just for ****s and giggles -- that the story is a total fabrication. If you are seriously basing the merit of your argument upon not being able to readily recall an incident of bad behavior by ANYONE who is lobbying for these changes for their own direct benefit, you are making a colossal mistake. We'll assume you like progressive politics. Do you think I can't find a tax cheating labor squeezing politician amongst the progressives? Do you think I can't find a gay drug abuser amongst evangelical preachers? Stupid hypocritical people come in all flavors, even tranny.

My point is that the anti-Gay/anti-Trans movement keeps using scare tactics to try and make life difficult for Transgendered persons. But even they cannot come up with any cases where what they have spent a lot of time scaring people about has really happened.

Transgendered persons have been using restrooms consistent with the gender they present for decades now, legally. The absence of any clear cases of abuse, even from those who are opposed to Transgendered persons being able to use public restrooms, is quite instructive as to the validity of their claims.

I wouldn't be surprised if a very isolated case existed. But I genuinely cannot find a single one. That is amazing. Some jurisdictions have covered Transgendered persons in public accommodations for over 3 decades. The point of my assertion is that those opposed to Transgendered persons are acting out of an irrational fear.