(01-21-2015 10:38 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:11 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Just from geography alone, ECU should be playing a few OOC games against any of the following - UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Davidson, etc

They won't come to our place... which is what our Coach is so hung up on. Davidson might. The least we could do is cut out the D2's and get some respectable regional opponents. It's not like NC, SC and VA are lacking decent D1's. I'd rather road whore vs blue bloods than schedule the way Lebo has been scheduling. It's not like it's helping attendance.

Right --- otherwise Aresco needs to make a call to some of the conference's ADs. And if that doesn't solve it "voluntarily" a scheduling rule needs to be considered.

(01-21-2015 10:44 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:38 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:11 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Just from geography alone, ECU should be playing a few OOC games against any of the following - UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Davidson, etc

They won't come to our place... which is what our Coach is so hung up on. Davidson might. The least we could do is cut out the D2's and get some respectable regional opponents. It's not like NC, SC and VA are lacking decent D1's. I'd rather road whore vs blue bloods than schedule the way Lebo has been scheduling. It's not like it's helping attendance.

Right --- otherwise Aresco needs to make a call to some of the conference's ADs. And if that doesn't solve it "voluntarily" a scheduling rule needs to be considered.

I wish we had something like that. This is an ECU basketball culture problem more than anything else. We DO have some scheduling challenges (being rural and frankly an RPI anchor) BUT there are ways around it if we'd suck it up and deal with it (start out by road whoring more OOC).

(01-21-2015 10:52 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:44 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:38 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:11 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Just from geography alone, ECU should be playing a few OOC games against any of the following - UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Davidson, etc

They won't come to our place... which is what our Coach is so hung up on. Davidson might. The least we could do is cut out the D2's and get some respectable regional opponents. It's not like NC, SC and VA are lacking decent D1's. I'd rather road whore vs blue bloods than schedule the way Lebo has been scheduling. It's not like it's helping attendance.

Right --- otherwise Aresco needs to make a call to some of the conference's ADs. And if that doesn't solve it "voluntarily" a scheduling rule needs to be considered.

I wish we had something like that. This is an ECU basketball culture problem more than anything else. We DO have some scheduling challenges (being rural and frankly an RPI anchor) BUT there are ways around it if we'd suck it up and deal with it (start out by road whoring more OOC).

But we aren't a RPI anchor if we play some half decent OOC teams. 2 games 1-100 5 games 100-150 5 games 150-200, if we do that with our conference schedule we wouldn't be over 200.

(01-21-2015 09:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:59 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 07:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 07:10 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-20-2015 08:56 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yep. As of last week UC had 7 sub 200 RPI conference games on the schedule. That is nuts.

We went from one extreme to another when we went from the Big East to the AAC. Nice.

That same AAC...where Cinci is 5th in conf standings?

The way you describe it...the conf is so bad/so easy...Cinci should easily be in first place undefeated but they obviously are not.

Says a fan of a recidivist bottom dweller? That's rich. Get a clue, junior.

Ah, no....as I (nor is anyone else except above Cinci fan, who you obviously agree with) is knocking the conf...same conf where Cinci is in 5th place today.

I thought that was ironic...complaining about a terrible/easy conf to win, yet Cinci is right in the middle of the conf standings.

Personally, AAC last season, where multiple teams were lead by Senior Guards (just like Cinci did) was a GREAT hoop conf.

This year, some of those teams are rebuilding with younger players, while a new team like Tulsa, is taking advantage of having very experienced upper-classmen guards.

Just like most conferences, the overall quality will change from year to year...just like how some teams will be better next year and/or in 2016.

SMDH, you don't get it. Noone was bashing the conference as a whole, they were calling out (as they should) the teams who's programs seem lost in the abyss. I can tell you that EVERY UC fan wants the conference to be successful in basketball.

UC fans have high standards for basketball, and we want other programs in the conference to be playing at a high level. Right now, that is NOT happening. There are programs who aren't competing at a high level and seem disinterested in doing so. That's what is unacceptable. There is no excuse to be RPI 200+. There just isn't. If the AAC wants to be taken seriously as a basketball conference, it needs to look a whole heck of a lot more like the (current) Big East, and less like the last couple years. There are always bottom dwellars, but it makes a difference when your bottom 3 are RPIs like 210, 160, and 130 rather than 210, 280, and 290.

Go look up any major conference team RPIs. Any one of them. I'll wait.... You want to be taken seriously as a basketball conference? Stuff needs to look like that, not what we have now.

Having 7 conference games against teams RPI 200+ is completely unacceptable. Playing these games is anchoring down the top teams, its like trying to swim with bricks attached to your feet. Even when you win these games, you lose.

Hopefully, ECU/UCF/USF/Houston fans are realizing this and demanding change, either with the current guys running the program (obviously Houston/USF have new coaches) or new ones. I don't expect them to come into the league and have it all together right away. What I do expect is to not have an attitude of complacency. Unlike football, this conference CAN be major in basketball. But the %&$@ I'm seeing right now doesn't cut it.

(01-21-2015 11:06 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:52 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:44 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:38 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:11 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Just from geography alone, ECU should be playing a few OOC games against any of the following - UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake, Davidson, etc

They won't come to our place... which is what our Coach is so hung up on. Davidson might. The least we could do is cut out the D2's and get some respectable regional opponents. It's not like NC, SC and VA are lacking decent D1's. I'd rather road whore vs blue bloods than schedule the way Lebo has been scheduling. It's not like it's helping attendance.

Right --- otherwise Aresco needs to make a call to some of the conference's ADs. And if that doesn't solve it "voluntarily" a scheduling rule needs to be considered.

I wish we had something like that. This is an ECU basketball culture problem more than anything else. We DO have some scheduling challenges (being rural and frankly an RPI anchor) BUT there are ways around it if we'd suck it up and deal with it (start out by road whoring more OOC).

But we aren't a RPI anchor if we play some half decent OOC teams. 2 games 1-100 5 games 100-150 5 games 150-200, if we do that with our conference schedule we wouldn't be over 200.

Chicken or egg... winning helps you not be an RPI anchor as well. The fact is, regardless of scheduling issues we've been a joke on the court the past 2 years.

(01-21-2015 11:16 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:59 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 07:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 07:10 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  We went from one extreme to another when we went from the Big East to the AAC. Nice.

That same AAC...where Cinci is 5th in conf standings?

The way you describe it...the conf is so bad/so easy...Cinci should easily be in first place undefeated but they obviously are not.

Says a fan of a recidivist bottom dweller? That's rich. Get a clue, junior.

Ah, no....as I (nor is anyone else except above Cinci fan, who you obviously agree with) is knocking the conf...same conf where Cinci is in 5th place today.

I thought that was ironic...complaining about a terrible/easy conf to win, yet Cinci is right in the middle of the conf standings.

Personally, AAC last season, where multiple teams were lead by Senior Guards (just like Cinci did) was a GREAT hoop conf.

This year, some of those teams are rebuilding with younger players, while a new team like Tulsa, is taking advantage of having very experienced upper-classmen guards.

Just like most conferences, the overall quality will change from year to year...just like how some teams will be better next year and/or in 2016.

SMDH, you don't get it. Noone was bashing the conference as a whole, they were calling out (as they should) the teams who's programs seem lost in the abyss. I can tell you that EVERY UC fan wants the conference to be successful in basketball.

UC fans have high standards for basketball, and we want other programs in the conference to be playing at a high level. Right now, that is NOT happening. There are programs who aren't competing at a high level and seem disinterested in doing so. That's what is unacceptable. There is no excuse to be RPI 200+. There just isn't. If the AAC wants to be taken seriously as a basketball conference, it needs to look a whole heck of a lot more like the (current) Big East, and less like the last couple years. There are always bottom dwellars, but it makes a difference when your bottom 3 are RPIs like 210, 160, and 130 rather than 210, 280, and 290.

Go look up any major conference team's RPIs. Any one of them. I'll wait.... You want to be taken seriously as a basketball conference? Stuff needs to look like that, not what we have now.

Having 7 conference games against teams RPI 200+ is completely unacceptable. Playing these games is anchoring down the top teams, its like trying to swim with bricks attached to your feet. Even when you win these games, you lose.

Hopefully, ECU/UCF/USF/Houston fans are realizing this and demanding change, either with the current guys running the program (obviously Houston/USF have new coaches) or new ones. I don't expect them to come into the league and have it all together right away. What I do expect is to not have an attitude of complacency. Unlike football, this conference CAN be major in basketball. But the %&$@ I'm seeing right now doesn't cut it.

I agree with what you are saying, I hope that UCF will be able to build themselves at least into a respectable basketball contender. We wont be a power house but being able to compete for the title every couple years isn't that far away I don't think. At least for UCF the sanctions have been killing us. Right now we only have 10 guys on scholarship (9 that can play - season ending injury) and one of those guys was suspended for a few games so we were playing with 8 scholarships guys a few games this year. We are bringing in 4 talented players with potential in this class and will be back to 13 scholarship (1 transfer is sitting out this year) players next year and can hopefully keep building from there.

Ecu just needs to remove Florida a m and central Connecticut from their schedule. Those two teams combined have 2 wins, and that is hitting the 50%bucket of the Rpi. Replace them with teams that have 6 to 8 wins at this point, and your Rpi would be 100 points better.

(01-21-2015 07:10 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-20-2015 08:56 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yep. As of last week UC had 7 sub 200 RPI conference games on the schedule. That is nuts.

We went from one extreme to another when we went from the Big East to the AAC. Nice.

Welcome

Tulsa's RPI has dropped all the way down from 29 (right after the UCONN game) to 48 as of today with the only game since that point, a win at USF. I know not all of that is attributed to playing USF, but man the bottom half of this league is killing us!

(01-21-2015 11:16 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:59 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 07:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 07:10 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  We went from one extreme to another when we went from the Big East to the AAC. Nice.

That same AAC...where Cinci is 5th in conf standings?

The way you describe it...the conf is so bad/so easy...Cinci should easily be in first place undefeated but they obviously are not.

Says a fan of a recidivist bottom dweller? That's rich. Get a clue, junior.

Ah, no....as I (nor is anyone else except above Cinci fan, who you obviously agree with) is knocking the conf...same conf where Cinci is in 5th place today.

I thought that was ironic...complaining about a terrible/easy conf to win, yet Cinci is right in the middle of the conf standings.

Personally, AAC last season, where multiple teams were lead by Senior Guards (just like Cinci did) was a GREAT hoop conf.

This year, some of those teams are rebuilding with younger players, while a new team like Tulsa, is taking advantage of having very experienced upper-classmen guards.

Just like most conferences, the overall quality will change from year to year...just like how some teams will be better next year and/or in 2016.

SMDH, you don't get it. Noone was bashing the conference as a whole, they were calling out (as they should) the teams who's programs seem lost in the abyss. I can tell you that EVERY UC fan wants the conference to be successful in basketball.

UC fans have high standards for basketball, and we want other programs in the conference to be playing at a high level. Right now, that is NOT happening. There are programs who aren't competing at a high level and seem disinterested in doing so. That's what is unacceptable. There is no excuse to be RPI 200+. There just isn't. If the AAC wants to be taken seriously as a basketball conference, it needs to look a whole heck of a lot more like the (current) Big East, and less like the last couple years. There are always bottom dwellars, but it makes a difference when your bottom 3 are RPIs like 210, 160, and 130 rather than 210, 280, and 290.

Go look up any major conference team RPIs. Any one of them. I'll wait.... You want to be taken seriously as a basketball conference? Stuff needs to look like that, not what we have now.

Having 7 conference games against teams RPI 200+ is completely unacceptable. Playing these games is anchoring down the top teams, its like trying to swim with bricks attached to your feet. Even when you win these games, you lose.

Hopefully, ECU/UCF/USF/Houston fans are realizing this and demanding change, either with the current guys running the program (obviously Houston/USF have new coaches) or new ones. I don't expect them to come into the league and have it all together right away. What I do expect is to not have an attitude of complacency. Unlike football, this conference CAN be major in basketball. But the %&$@ I'm seeing right now doesn't cut it.

"unacceptable".....that term was one of my favorite targets at work; especially when it was used by someone who wanted to act like he/she had authority but had no control/authority or even recourse over the activity. So, I'll ask: What do you intend to do if the "unacceptable" behavior continues? Not really picking on you, but the term "unacceptable" when used by someone with no authority/recourse has been a pet peeve of mine for awhile.

FWIW, I think that all of our conference members want to succeed in hoops. Some have a longer list of things to fix than others. How is Cincy baseball doing? :)

(01-21-2015 03:01 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 11:16 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:59 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 07:46 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  That same AAC...where Cinci is 5th in conf standings?

The way you describe it...the conf is so bad/so easy...Cinci should easily be in first place undefeated but they obviously are not.

Says a fan of a recidivist bottom dweller? That's rich. Get a clue, junior.

Ah, no....as I (nor is anyone else except above Cinci fan, who you obviously agree with) is knocking the conf...same conf where Cinci is in 5th place today.

I thought that was ironic...complaining about a terrible/easy conf to win, yet Cinci is right in the middle of the conf standings.

Personally, AAC last season, where multiple teams were lead by Senior Guards (just like Cinci did) was a GREAT hoop conf.

This year, some of those teams are rebuilding with younger players, while a new team like Tulsa, is taking advantage of having very experienced upper-classmen guards.

Just like most conferences, the overall quality will change from year to year...just like how some teams will be better next year and/or in 2016.

SMDH, you don't get it. Noone was bashing the conference as a whole, they were calling out (as they should) the teams who's programs seem lost in the abyss. I can tell you that EVERY UC fan wants the conference to be successful in basketball.

UC fans have high standards for basketball, and we want other programs in the conference to be playing at a high level. Right now, that is NOT happening. There are programs who aren't competing at a high level and seem disinterested in doing so. That's what is unacceptable. There is no excuse to be RPI 200+. There just isn't. If the AAC wants to be taken seriously as a basketball conference, it needs to look a whole heck of a lot more like the (current) Big East, and less like the last couple years. There are always bottom dwellars, but it makes a difference when your bottom 3 are RPIs like 210, 160, and 130 rather than 210, 280, and 290.

Go look up any major conference team RPIs. Any one of them. I'll wait.... You want to be taken seriously as a basketball conference? Stuff needs to look like that, not what we have now.

Having 7 conference games against teams RPI 200+ is completely unacceptable. Playing these games is anchoring down the top teams, its like trying to swim with bricks attached to your feet. Even when you win these games, you lose.

Hopefully, ECU/UCF/USF/Houston fans are realizing this and demanding change, either with the current guys running the program (obviously Houston/USF have new coaches) or new ones. I don't expect them to come into the league and have it all together right away. What I do expect is to not have an attitude of complacency. Unlike football, this conference CAN be major in basketball. But the %&$@ I'm seeing right now doesn't cut it.

"unacceptable".....that term was one of my favorite targets at work; especially when it was used by someone who wanted to act like he/she had authority but had no control/authority or even recourse over the activity. So, I'll ask: What do you intend to do if the "unacceptable" behavior continues? Not really picking on you, but the term "unacceptable" when used by someone with no authority/recourse has been a pet peeve of mine for awhile.

FWIW, I think that all of our conference members want to succeed in hoops. Some have a longer list of things to fix than others. How is Cincy baseball doing? :)

I guess I can see how that would be an irksome phrase, but I've always used it when I feel someone/something(?) just doesn't care enough. I use it in the sense in that a situation should be 'unacceptable' to you. If it isn't, then you truly don't care and there is no use for that kind of attitude. The fact that a few AAC basketball programs are so bad should be 'unacceptable' to them. If it's not, they don't belong in this conference.

I brought it up because it's not abundantly clear to me that all the teams in the conference want to succeed in hoops. So I'm less sure than you. ECU has one good season under Lebo, one of their only winning ones in the last 20 years, and they give him a big multi-year extension? Winning the CBI is a great step, but its just a step. Not something rewarded with a windfall. That's not aiming to compete in a power basketball conference. Houston went out and got creative with a coach, but they have a major facilities/attendance problem (chicken and the egg there) that they need to address (or are they addressing already?, i'm unsure). UCF and USF don't seem that far off the path, I can maybe excuse them for a bad year (and in UCF's case, sanctions, which are still their fault, but it's understandable).

I believe that all these teams' fans want to succeed, and I hope that no one takes it personally, because it should be interpreted as more of a challenge than a slight. As I said before, this team actually has the capability to be a power basketball league, and if their are any athletic departments in the conference that don't feel like they want to put in what it takes to succeed, they don't belong here.

Also, I'm glad you brought up the UC baseball angle, because I was thinking about that myself, looking at some of UC's poorer programs and wondering if a complacency exists there. I think with UC's facilities and holding olympic sports' coaches accountable, they are committed to improving underperforming programs. I am optimistic about what Coach Neal is doing to wake that program up from mediocrity. Time will tell.

Did we win the CBI or the CIT? I must be living in another universe because everytime its mentioned, even by pirate fans they call it the CBI, which we have never been in.

(01-21-2015 04:12 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Also, I'm glad you brought up the UC baseball angle, because I was thinking about that myself, looking at some of UC's poorer programs and wondering if a complacency exists there. I think with UC's facilities and holding olympic sports' coaches accountable, they are committed to improving underperforming programs. I am optimistic about what Coach Neal is doing to wake that program up from mediocrity. Time will tell.

I only brought up UC baseball because that was one program that you would recognize needed some work, much like some of our basketball conference members......heck my Tigers need some work this year.

We've all got work to do in some programs/areas on the field, court, diamond, at the ticket office, etc. However, I'm not familiar with any program's owner that doesn't want to win. In most cases, it's about budget priorities. I don't think that any of us can spend enough funds to win in all sports. Of all of the programs in our tier, Louisville was the only one I've ever seen that seemingly had unlimited funds to spend.

(01-21-2015 05:50 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Did we win the CBI or the CIT? I must be living in another universe because everytime its mentioned, even by pirate fans they call it the CBI, which we have never been in.

Here's a link that you can use to settle that with others......
http://www.collegeinsider.com/2013/2013-...-Recap.pdf

(01-22-2015 12:48 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 05:50 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Did we win the CBI or the CIT? I must be living in another universe because everytime its mentioned, even by pirate fans they call it the CBI, which we have never been in.

Here's a link that you can use to settle that with others......
http://www.collegeinsider.com/2013/2013-...-Recap.pdf

Tulsa won the inaugural CBI. It got Doug Wojcik a brand new car and a hefty contract he didn't really earn. That's the only banner that i wish we didn't have in our arena. Wojcik would have been out 2 years earlier.