Villanova was one of the 3 schools that voted against Penn State back in the 1980's.
This is what the Big East would have looked like with Penn State:

Boston College
Connecticut
Georgetown
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Saint John's
Seton Hall
Syracuse
Villanova
West Virginia

I like and respect Nova....I also like Jay Wright

Temple fans like and respect them as Uconn fans like and respect BC.

(01-04-2015 07:01 PM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Villanova was one of the 3 schools that voted against Penn State back in the 1980's.
This is what the Big East would have looked like with Penn State:

Boston College
Connecticut
Georgetown
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Saint John's
Seton Hall
Syracuse
Villanova
West Virginia

Penn State would of left anyway with the big 10 offering them.

(01-04-2015 07:35 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:01 PM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Villanova was one of the 3 schools that voted against Penn State back in the 1980's.
This is what the Big East would have looked like with Penn State:

Boston College
Connecticut
Georgetown
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Saint John's
Seton Hall
Syracuse
Villanova
West Virginia

Penn State would of left anyway with the big 10 offering them.

I really wish Penn State was invited and stayed in the Big East. It would've been solid in basketball and football by adding just a few missing pieces, such as Louisville and perhaps a Florida school or two. There would have been no reason to go to the B!G if the money was not too far off.

This proposal has ZERO chance of becoming a reality. Radnor Township is an upscale, mostly snooty, mainline town. Most of the current(and former) commission members are Penn and other Ivy school grads. They view Villanova as largely tax exempt pain in the ass. Its a drain on a suburban police force keeping the spoiled brats in line. The township of Radnor won a major battle when the current gym (ski lodge) was built. The school wanted 10k seats. The town said no more than 6k or it will never get built. They have since turned down requests to enlarge it.

(01-05-2015 09:03 AM)taximan1 Wrote:  This proposal has ZERO chance of becoming a reality. Radnor Township is an upscale, mostly snooty, mainline town. Most of the current(and former) commission members are Penn and other Ivy school grads. They view Villanova as largely tax exempt pain in the ass. Its a drain on a suburban police force keeping the spoiled brats in line. The township of Radnor won a major battle when the current gym (ski lodge) was built. The school wanted 10k seats. The town said no more than 6k or it will never get built. They have since turned down requests to enlarge it.

I hate township commissions. They tend to get in the way of projects that could help the economic progress of an area. Improved athletic facilities would increase game day revenue of the local university (which is a pretty damn good school, mind you), as well as bring additional visitors to the surrounding area.

These same types of obstructionists tried to prevent Tulane from building Yulman on its own land.

(01-03-2015 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 01:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  These are the kinds of nutjobs we have to deal with.

Click me

LOL!

So let me get this straight.

Football drives the boat. Yet their genius idea is to spend $150M to $180M on a basketball arena and play football off campus in a soccer stadium? This is their great FBS ambition? They still are not getting it.

That's what I was thinking. Didn't we read about this plan in the September, 2011, right before the Cuse/Pitt defections?

(01-03-2015 01:49 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 01:48 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 01:47 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Who is villanova? Sounds like spaceman ice cream.

I think they destroyed the Big East?

That would be Tulane.

USF by insisting on Villanova

(01-04-2015 09:31 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:35 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:01 PM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Villanova was one of the 3 schools that voted against Penn State back in the 1980's.
This is what the Big East would have looked like with Penn State:

Boston College
Connecticut
Georgetown
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Saint John's
Seton Hall
Syracuse
Villanova
West Virginia

Yes, the big East blundered historically with penn St. BUT, Penn St would have left the big east eventually to play their peers in 100, 000 plus stadiums Michigan and Ohio st and to a lesser extent Michigan St in the Big 10. There's no way those blue bloods would be denied for Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse after finally realizing the BE schools weren't similar football programs at all.

Penn State would of left anyway with the big 10 offering them.

I really wish Penn State was invited and stayed in the Big East. It would've been solid in basketball and football by adding just a few missing pieces, such as Louisville and perhaps a Florida school or two. There would have been no reason to go to the B!G if the money was not too far off.

(01-04-2015 09:31 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:35 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:01 PM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Villanova was one of the 3 schools that voted against Penn State back in the 1980's.
This is what the Big East would have looked like with Penn State:

Boston College
Connecticut
Georgetown
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Providence
Rutgers
Saint John's
Seton Hall
Syracuse
Villanova
West Virginia

Penn State would of left anyway with the big 10 offering them.

I really wish Penn State was invited and stayed in the Big East. It would've been solid in basketball and football by adding just a few missing pieces, such as Louisville and perhaps a Florida school or two. There would have been no reason to go to the B!G if the money was not too far off.

Penn State would've been the first school the ACC stole from the BE.

(01-05-2015 09:51 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 09:03 AM)taximan1 Wrote:  This proposal has ZERO chance of becoming a reality. Radnor Township is an upscale, mostly snooty, mainline town. Most of the current(and former) commission members are Penn and other Ivy school grads. They view Villanova as largely tax exempt pain in the ass. Its a drain on a suburban police force keeping the spoiled brats in line. The township of Radnor won a major battle when the current gym (ski lodge) was built. The school wanted 10k seats. The town said no more than 6k or it will never get built. They have since turned down requests to enlarge it.

I hate township commissions. They tend to get in the way of projects that could help the economic progress of an area. Improved athletic facilities would increase game day revenue of the local university (which is a pretty damn good school, mind you), as well as bring additional visitors to the surrounding area.

This is exactly what Radnor and its residents are trying to prevent. They don't want the extra noise, traffic, police costs, etc... And they really don't want that expense at Villanova's profit.

Not saying I agree with them, but you just made their point.

(01-05-2015 11:54 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 09:51 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 09:03 AM)taximan1 Wrote:  This proposal has ZERO chance of becoming a reality. Radnor Township is an upscale, mostly snooty, mainline town. Most of the current(and former) commission members are Penn and other Ivy school grads. They view Villanova as largely tax exempt pain in the ass. Its a drain on a suburban police force keeping the spoiled brats in line. The township of Radnor won a major battle when the current gym (ski lodge) was built. The school wanted 10k seats. The town said no more than 6k or it will never get built. They have since turned down requests to enlarge it.

I hate township commissions. They tend to get in the way of projects that could help the economic progress of an area. Improved athletic facilities would increase game day revenue of the local university (which is a pretty damn good school, mind you), as well as bring additional visitors to the surrounding area.

This is exactly what Radnor and its residents are trying to prevent. They don't want the extra noise, traffic, police costs, etc... And they really don't want that expense at Villanova's profit.

Not saying I agree with them, but you just made their point.

Yep. Radnor isn't hurting for business. Extraordinary wealth within that community.

The same types of people that laughed at the thought of Tulane building an OCS are now laughing at the thought of Villanova doing the same.

I'm going to stand alongside Villanova on this issue, and I hope they can see their dreams come true as well.

(01-05-2015 08:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The same types of people that laughed at the thought of Tulane building an OCS are now laughing at the thought of Villanova doing the same.

I'm going to stand alongside Villanova on this issue, and I hope they can see their dreams come true as well.

I don't see the Tulane and Villanova situations as being equivalent. The better parallel is Tulane and Temple on almost every point.

Villanova HAS an on-campus FB stadium. That, in and of itself, was not the issue. The OOC has a capacity of 11k and was fairly recently remodeled. In fact, there is sufficient space on the current stadium grounds to expand the stadium to 30k...but here's the rub...Radnor will not grant Villanova the permit to do so. The 11k stadium is sufficient for FCS level games, it would not be in any way sufficient for (old) BE level games. Hence the need to find an off-campus venue...IF...Villanova was seeking to make the jump to BE level. That is no longer an issue, seeing as how the BE has gotten thoroughly away from the FB side of things and there is no other FBS conference to move into.

How this impacts the BB side of the equation is whether Radnor would let Villanova build a 15+k BB stadium given that they would not let Villanova expand their FB stadium. Many of the same issues apply...increase in traffic, noise, police, etc... maybe even more so given that in FB you are talking 6 or 7 home games while with BB you are talking 15 or so home games over a season. And that wouldn't be counting other uses of the arena like concerts.

Tulane's situation...on a whole host of fronts besides the public-private issue...is much closer to Temple, who currently has no OOC (Tulane stadium and Temple Stadium both having been ripped down at an earlier time), both campuses existing in tight, urban footprints, and both FB programs playing in an overly-large Pro stadium.

Actually, Villanova must have made some inroads politically, because they just got authorization to build a dorm and theater along Lancaster Ave, despite very vocal and organized community opposition. They tried this about 6 years ago and dropped it when there was also strong opposition. Somehow they got it through this time by promising a couple of trivial things like an overhead walkway over Lancaster and restrictions concerning noise from the dorm. (yeah I'd like to see them enforce that). But the relationship between the school and residents is as icy as ever. The last thing the residents want is more traffic for anything, be it school related or even local businesses. I think Villanova would have a very difficult time getting any concessions for added football capacity. Plus the chances of them making any football inroads is extremely small. Philly is a pro town, and the limited interest in college already has Temple, Penn and Penn St. competing for attention. Villanova would likely be lost in the shuffle. Unless they have reason to believe the ACC would come calling, which I find impossible to believe, I seriously doubt they'd be looking to sink a lot of money into football, even if Radnor were willing to let them.

The distance between Temple and Villanova is 18 miles and 27 minutes. Build a stadium between the schools and share the cost of the project. Temple could apply for state funds to help finance the project. Let Nova move up and rejoin the AAC or the MAC and play each other annually too. A nice 35-40k no frills stadium would work for both schools.

(01-08-2015 11:43 PM)panite Wrote:  The distance between Temple and Villanova is 18 miles and 27 minutes. Build a stadium between the schools and share the cost of the project. Temple could apply for state funds to help finance the project. Let Nova move up and rejoin the AAC or the MAC and play each other annually too. A nice 35-40k no frills stadium would work for both schools.

That's a brilliant idea except for the part that Villanova and Temple do not have a collaborative rivalry in which they play off of each other to make each other stronger.