(01-10-2015 12:45 PM)dwash Wrote:  How can anyone miss the main point of the OP lol

We all know that you should disciplined for being late to meetings or missing practice. The point is, if players were excited about coming to work which stems from being put in a position to succeed as a team or atleast as an individual player, players would be less likely to skip or be late to practice. Most players don't ditch practice and coming to play ball because they are just knuckleheads. This all stems from the problems that they are having with the organization as a whole. If the players saw any chance of the fruits of their labor being realized, they would be breaking their necks to please coach and get there on time.

Don't miss what being late to practice, backtalk, etc, really is. It's a sign that some have given up hope.

There is no hope.

(01-10-2015 12:46 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:45 PM)dwash Wrote:  How can anyone miss the main point of the OP lol

We all know that you should disciplined for being late to meetings or missing practice. The point is, if players were excited about coming to work which stems from being put in a position to succeed as a team or atleast as an individual player, players would be less likely to skip or be late to practice. Most players don't ditch practice and coming to play ball because they are just knuckleheads. This all stems from the problems that they are having with the organization as a whole. If the players saw any chance of the fruits of their labor being realized, they would be breaking their necks to please coach and get there on time.

Don't miss what being late to practice, backtalk, etc, really is. It's a sign that some have given up hope.

Spot on

Exactly right

(01-10-2015 12:59 PM)P5Tiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:46 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:45 PM)dwash Wrote:  How can anyone miss the main point of the OP lol

We all know that you should disciplined for being late to meetings or missing practice. The point is, if players were excited about coming to work which stems from being put in a position to succeed as a team or atleast as an individual player, players would be less likely to skip or be late to practice. Most players don't ditch practice and coming to play ball because they are just knuckleheads. This all stems from the problems that they are having with the organization as a whole. If the players saw any chance of the fruits of their labor being realized, they would be breaking their necks to please coach and get there on time.

Don't miss what being late to practice, backtalk, etc, really is. It's a sign that some have given up hope.

Spot on

Exactly right

I understand what you're all saying, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I still think a player has to have enough pride and self-discipline to do what is expected of them, regardless of whether they feel they've been given a fair shake or not.

(01-10-2015 01:16 PM)Hoots Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:59 PM)P5Tiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:46 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:45 PM)dwash Wrote:  How can anyone miss the main point of the OP lol

We all know that you should disciplined for being late to meetings or missing practice. The point is, if players were excited about coming to work which stems from being put in a position to succeed as a team or atleast as an individual player, players would be less likely to skip or be late to practice. Most players don't ditch practice and coming to play ball because they are just knuckleheads. This all stems from the problems that they are having with the organization as a whole. If the players saw any chance of the fruits of their labor being realized, they would be breaking their necks to please coach and get there on time.

Don't miss what being late to practice, backtalk, etc, really is. It's a sign that some have given up hope.

Spot on

Exactly right

I understand what you're all saying, and I don't necessarily disagree, but I still think a player has to have enough pride and self-discipline to do what is expected of them, regardless of whether they feel they've been given a fair shake or not.

No, it is Pastner's fault.

(01-10-2015 12:51 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:46 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:45 PM)dwash Wrote:  How can anyone miss the main point of the OP lol

We all know that you should disciplined for being late to meetings or missing practice. The point is, if players were excited about coming to work which stems from being put in a position to succeed as a team or atleast as an individual player, players would be less likely to skip or be late to practice. Most players don't ditch practice and coming to play ball because they are just knuckleheads. This all stems from the problems that they are having with the organization as a whole. If the players saw any chance of the fruits of their labor being realized, they would be breaking their necks to please coach and get there on time.

Don't miss what being late to practice, backtalk, etc, really is. It's a sign that some have given up hope.

Spot on

Then I feel sorry for you and your kids when this occurs.

No worries, amigo.

I won't ask my kids to continue to run into walls even after all the evidence says running into a wall doesn't work THEN throw my kids under the energy bus when they finally dare protest.

(01-10-2015 01:20 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:51 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:46 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:45 PM)dwash Wrote:  How can anyone miss the main point of the OP lol

We all know that you should disciplined for being late to meetings or missing practice. The point is, if players were excited about coming to work which stems from being put in a position to succeed as a team or atleast as an individual player, players would be less likely to skip or be late to practice. Most players don't ditch practice and coming to play ball because they are just knuckleheads. This all stems from the problems that they are having with the organization as a whole. If the players saw any chance of the fruits of their labor being realized, they would be breaking their necks to please coach and get there on time.

Don't miss what being late to practice, backtalk, etc, really is. It's a sign that some have given up hope.

Spot on

Then I feel sorry for you and your kids when this occurs.

No worries, amigo.

I won't ask my kids to continue to run into walls even after all the evidence says running into a wall doesn't work THEN throw my kids under the energy bus when they finally dare protest.

I'm gonna need to buy more mics

Shoulda hired BRUCE PEARL!!!!!

(01-10-2015 02:04 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Shoulda hired BRUCE PEARL!!!!!

Bruce Pearl is a dream hire.

The question is does the crime fit the punishment? Don't suspend players from ANY part of a game for minor things! Discipline them in a different way.

(01-10-2015 02:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 02:04 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Shoulda hired BRUCE PEARL!!!!!

Bruce Pearl is a dream hire.

Are you talking about the 8-6 Bruce Pearl at Auburn with victories over Milwaukee, Texas Southern, North Alabama, UL Lafayette and loses to Tulsa, Coastal Carolina, and Vandy.

(01-10-2015 12:45 PM)dwash Wrote:  How can anyone miss the main point of the OP lol

We all know that you should disciplined for being late to meetings or missing practice. The point is, if players were excited about coming to work which stems from being put in a position to succeed as a team or atleast as an individual player, players would be less likely to skip or be late to practice. Most players don't ditch practice and coming to play ball because they are just knuckleheads. This all stems from the problems that they are having with the organization as a whole. If the players saw any chance of the fruits of their labor being realized, they would be breaking their necks to please coach and get there on time.

Don't miss what being late to practice, backtalk, etc, really is. It's a sign that some have given up hope.

Exactly, my point

I think many of you were missing my point. The majority of the time I would believe the players follow the rules. They've been following these rules since the summer. Some for years as in Shaq.

At some point, it's like where's the reward? And no I'm not saying you should be rewarded for doing the right thing.

But in the basketball sense, if I do all the right things, everything JP asks and I don't see the results. At some point, u might say who cares if I'm late to the meeting. It won't matter in the end. I'm not saying it's right.
I'm saying JP has to do more than enforce the rules, lead them to a victory on the court.

(01-10-2015 05:00 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 02:05 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 02:04 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Shoulda hired BRUCE PEARL!!!!!

Bruce Pearl is a dream hire.

Are you talking about the 8-6 Bruce Pearl at Auburn with victories over Milwaukee, Texas Southern, North Alabama, UL Lafayette and loses to Tulsa, Coastal Carolina, and Vandy.

I didn't realize this was his 6th year at auburn. Good catch.

(01-10-2015 12:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:54 AM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  Most of the suspensions have been for showing up late to practice and missing meetings. He should be applauded for holding them accountable

IF a player misses or is late for practices and meetings and breaks rules repeatedly, then he has to suspend them. Part of coaching is convincing your players not to break rules.

He may need to punish them, but that doesn't have to come in the form of suspensions,

(01-10-2015 01:51 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 01:40 AM)Dale Wrote:  When I first began teaching/coaching an old veteran told me, if the consequence does not alter the behavior, then one must alter the consequence. I believe that is what has happened here.

What consequence did he suggest?
Corporal punishment is a no-no these days. You can't fine them because the kids are technically amateurs.
The only thing you have left is suspension. After that, expulsion.

Dale is the biggest Pastner supporter on this board.

It is called leadership.

Someone posted it a few days ago, if you are a leader people will WANT to adhere to your standards , if you are not a leader you must use threat of punishment to get people to do what you want.

Which one is happening here?

(01-10-2015 12:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:54 AM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  Most of the suspensions have been for showing up late to practice and missing meetings. He should be applauded for holding them accountable

IF a player misses or is late for practices and meetings and breaks rules repeatedly, then he has to suspend them. Part of coaching is convincing your players not to break rules.

Correct.

(01-10-2015 06:40 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:54 AM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  Most of the suspensions have been for showing up late to practice and missing meetings. He should be applauded for holding them accountable

IF a player misses or is late for practices and meetings and breaks rules repeatedly, then he has to suspend them. Part of coaching is convincing your players not to break rules.

Correct.

He's got the suspending part down, absolutely. It's the other parts of coaching that he just can't do.

(01-10-2015 06:40 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-10-2015 12:54 AM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  Most of the suspensions have been for showing up late to practice and missing meetings. He should be applauded for holding them accountable

IF a player misses or is late for practices and meetings and breaks rules repeatedly, then he has to suspend them. Part of coaching is convincing your players not to break rules.

Correct.

Is the suspension correcting the action?
One could say no judging the number of suspensions by different players. One by a top player in his 3rd year under theses rules.

If Pastner is such the disciplinarian, why doesn't it translate to the court. Because discipline is the last word I'd use to describe this team or any team under Pastner.

(01-10-2015 07:09 PM)memphissince86 Wrote:  If Pastner is such the disciplinarian, why doesn't it translate to the court. Because discipline is the last word I'd use to describe this team or any team under Pastner.

Ouch.

(01-10-2015 12:36 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  Is it too much to ask a kid who's getting a free education to show up for class? Is it too much to ask a basketball player on scholarship to show up on time for team activities? Is it too much to ask a student athlete on scholarship to respect his coaches and not post snarky comments on Facebook or other social media sites. Doing the latter shows enormous immaturity and a lack of respect for the school, the program and the individual himself. I doubt that the rules Pastner imposes are much different than at Kentucky, Kansas, Duke or at any other major program. Can you imagine Coach K at Duke telling an athlete he can show up for a team meeting any time he likes, it's OK to go to class if you like or post any kind of insulting message about the program or the coach?

The difference is that coach k, self, and calipari are respectable coaches. I don't know a single person in the city of memphis who respects pastner's coaching ability so why the hell would the players respect him? It's clear to fans watching the game that pastner can't coach. I'm sure it's abundantly clear to the players in the huddle that he can't coach.