(01-08-2015 11:25 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:19 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:38 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Win big or go home.

Nice to see you back Bugsy. Your "we are a top 15 program" no excuses, win big solution is Bobby Hurley. What a visionary.

LMAO.

You're right, my bad.

We should stick with a third assistant who's best attribute WAS recruiting, but now he cannot even do that anymore.

All we have to do is make more shots than the other teams anyway.

SMGDH

Your solution for a top 15 program where ANY coach can "win big" is to hire a coach with one year of experience at Buffalo. You would be happy with this. Then you will expect him to "win big or go home," no excuses.

Seems that you have delusions of grandeur and an inferiority complex at the same time. Makes perfect sense. Pretty funny stuff Bugsy.

The alternative is to stick with what we have. I would argue that we already know what we have in JP. At least with a new hire we might regain some hope that he could turn things around.

(01-08-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:07 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 09:54 AM)83msu Wrote:  How true. Fans seem to forget that Josh is ethical, involved in the community, cares about this program deeply, cares about the players and wants them to be good men. He has given players a chance that no one else would. Johnson/Dixon and the ones that imploded at Ole Miss and Tn. He must and should discipline players who break rules. And it doesn't need to be discussed publicly. He beat L'ville twice last year. He has graduated players in record numbers making it a priority.

Am I concerned about the program? Yes. Its been my joy and heartbreak since 1970. But this piling on and venom hurts everything about Tiger BB. Its so easy to condemn behind social media. And I am unclear on the "he makes 2.6 million." Would you turn it down if it were you? Blame the admin for that one..not Pastner.

When we don't overpay we end up with Tic Price, and fighting over superstars like Steve Robinson and Ricardo Patton.

And when we DO overpay, we end up with JP.

We tried overpaying mediocre coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd, and they turned us down. Sean Miller, Pitino, and Mike Anderson laughed at us. We almost overpaid Scott Drew; who hasn't sniffed another offer in 12 years.

Guys like you are funny.

I would really like to know how you or anyone on this board or for that matter anyone outside the powers that be have all this knowledge of who was offered and what was said by these Coaches we supposedly offered.. I heard that we offered Floyd and Maybe Hamilton but is that true other than here-say? Because really I have no idea!! If it came from the Media, well I believe what they say half the time is worth a grain of salt.. Really I'm just asking because I really don't know.. Did RC or Administration announce people they offered or talked too because If not who really knows!! I do agree that hiring someone then was probably difficult but I don't think it would be now!!


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(01-08-2015 11:23 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:17 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:07 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  And when we DO overpay, we end up with JP.

We tried overpaying mediocre coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd, and they turned us down. Sean Miller, Pitino, and Mike Anderson laughed at us. We almost overpaid Scott Drew; who hasn't sniffed another offer in 12 years.

Guys like you are funny.

RC is no longer here. It is also no longer 2009.

I guess RC has taken turns running the show at Missouri, Arkansas, Marquette, Purdue, LSU, Texas A&M, Kentucky, Xavier, St. Johns, NC State, etc.

What does any of this have to do with our basketball team being dysfunctional?

I'm sure none of Leonard Hamilton's teams have been dysfunctional whilst they were getting out of the first round once in the last 13 years.

(01-08-2015 11:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:23 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:17 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  We tried overpaying mediocre coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd, and they turned us down. Sean Miller, Pitino, and Mike Anderson laughed at us. We almost overpaid Scott Drew; who hasn't sniffed another offer in 12 years.

Guys like you are funny.

RC is no longer here. It is also no longer 2009.

I guess RC has taken turns running the show at Missouri, Arkansas, Marquette, Purdue, LSU, Texas A&M, Kentucky, Xavier, St. Johns, NC State, etc.

What does any of this have to do with our basketball team being dysfunctional?

I'm sure none of Leonard Hamilton's teams have been dysfunctional whilst they were getting out of the first round once in the last 13 years.

Has zero to do with the Tiger program, zero

(01-08-2015 11:32 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:07 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 09:54 AM)83msu Wrote:  How true. Fans seem to forget that Josh is ethical, involved in the community, cares about this program deeply, cares about the players and wants them to be good men. He has given players a chance that no one else would. Johnson/Dixon and the ones that imploded at Ole Miss and Tn. He must and should discipline players who break rules. And it doesn't need to be discussed publicly. He beat L'ville twice last year. He has graduated players in record numbers making it a priority.

Am I concerned about the program? Yes. Its been my joy and heartbreak since 1970. But this piling on and venom hurts everything about Tiger BB. Its so easy to condemn behind social media. And I am unclear on the "he makes 2.6 million." Would you turn it down if it were you? Blame the admin for that one..not Pastner.

When we don't overpay we end up with Tic Price, and fighting over superstars like Steve Robinson and Ricardo Patton.

And when we DO overpay, we end up with JP.

We tried overpaying mediocre coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd, and they turned us down. Sean Miller, Pitino, and Mike Anderson laughed at us. We almost overpaid Scott Drew; who hasn't sniffed another offer in 12 years.

Guys like you are funny.

I would really like to know how you or anyone on this board or for that matter anyone outside the powers that be have all this knowledge of who was offered and what was said by these Coaches we supposedly offered.. I heard that we offered Floyd and Maybe Hamilton but is that true other than here-say? Because really I have no idea!! If it came from the Media, well I believe what they say half the time is worth a grain of salt.. Really I'm just asking because I really don't know.. Did RC or Administration announce people they offered or talked too because If not who really knows!! I do agree that hiring someone then was probably difficult but I don't think it would be now!!


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If he is gone, we will hire a better candidate on paper than Pastner, but back then there were no other candidates, and any other candidate would have had better credentials than Pastner.

There were a bunch of names tossed out there, but in the end, you would have to think that if there were John Groce, Cuonzo Martin, Bobby Hurley, Dave Rice, Archie Miller types that showed interest; we would have hired one of them.

Just win, baby.

(01-08-2015 10:37 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:12 AM)83msu Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 09:59 AM)ndq1125 Wrote:  Sounds like a life coach who knows a liitle about basketball Josh is a good guy but a bad coach Calipari is a baf guy but a good coach.

Coaching is more than X's and O's you have to reach your player and get them to trust you no matter what and Josh hasnt done that ever

I know he a very good person and that is one reason I wanted him to succeed. It will play itself out one way or another.

Well if that unlikely event of Pastner's dismissal happens after the season, he'll get a big enough severance to live comfortably the rest of his life, he can settle in Memphis permanently, get a six figure job as a media personality with ESPN, Fox, or CBS, spend his free time working for local non-profits, and become a spokesperson for the Liberty Bowl. All that allows him to be the personality he is so wonderful at being.

And we can find us a coach who has a decent and realistic shot at the final four.

I assume you are being sarcastic? Pastner won't "settle in Memphis permanently" if he is fired or resigns. He'll get another gig making high six figures as an assistant/recruiter at a D1 program. He isn't going to just pack it in and retire. Coaches are recyclable.

(01-08-2015 11:35 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:23 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:17 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  RC is no longer here. It is also no longer 2009.

I guess RC has taken turns running the show at Missouri, Arkansas, Marquette, Purdue, LSU, Texas A&M, Kentucky, Xavier, St. Johns, NC State, etc.

What does any of this have to do with our basketball team being dysfunctional?

I'm sure none of Leonard Hamilton's teams have been dysfunctional whilst they were getting out of the first round once in the last 13 years.

Has zero to do with the Tiger program, zero

Being dysfunctional isn't really relevant either. Cal's most dysfunctional team was in 2005, and the next year he was in the Elite 8. What is relevant is whether or not Pastner can field some semblance of a team that improves by the end of this year; and can he keep everyone on board next year?

I'm not suggesting that we will be in the Elite 8; but if everyone stays (and obviously has a year of experience), and the new class comes in, we should be a much better team.

The goal should be either finding a very good replacement for Pastner at the end of this year, if that is the plan; or at least holding things together if a change is made next year. Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised, and we turn out better than everyone thinks we will be.

(01-08-2015 11:27 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:25 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:19 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:38 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Win big or go home.

Nice to see you back Bugsy. Your "we are a top 15 program" no excuses, win big solution is Bobby Hurley. What a visionary.

LMAO.

You're right, my bad.

We should stick with a third assistant who's best attribute WAS recruiting, but now he cannot even do that anymore.

All we have to do is make more shots than the other teams anyway.

SMGDH

Your solution for a top 15 program where ANY coach can "win big" is to hire a coach with one year of experience at Buffalo. You would be happy with this. Then you will expect him to "win big or go home," no excuses.

Seems that you have delusions of grandeur and an inferiority complex at the same time. Makes perfect sense. Pretty funny stuff Bugsy.

Actually, I'd give Hurley 6 years.

I'd bet we'd be closer to the Sweet 16 than the CBI/CIT.

NEXT

I'm glad that you settled the delusions of grandeur/low self esteem question. Mr. "win big or go home" thinks that a 2nd year coach at Buffalo is worthy of leading our program. Funny.

(01-08-2015 11:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:32 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:07 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  When we don't overpay we end up with Tic Price, and fighting over superstars like Steve Robinson and Ricardo Patton.

And when we DO overpay, we end up with JP.

We tried overpaying mediocre coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd, and they turned us down. Sean Miller, Pitino, and Mike Anderson laughed at us. We almost overpaid Scott Drew; who hasn't sniffed another offer in 12 years.

Guys like you are funny.

I would really like to know how you or anyone on this board or for that matter anyone outside the powers that be have all this knowledge of who was offered and what was said by these Coaches we supposedly offered.. I heard that we offered Floyd and Maybe Hamilton but is that true other than here-say? Because really I have no idea!! If it came from the Media, well I believe what they say half the time is worth a grain of salt.. Really I'm just asking because I really don't know.. Did RC or Administration announce people they offered or talked too because If not who really knows!! I do agree that hiring someone then was probably difficult but I don't think it would be now!!


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If he is gone, we will hire a better candidate on paper than Pastner, but back then there were no other candidates, and any other candidate would have had better credentials than Pastner.

There were a bunch of names tossed out there, but in the end, you would have to think that if there were John Groce, Cuonzo Martin, Bobby Hurley, Dave Rice, Archie Miller types that showed interest; we would have hired one of them.

You are making the assumption that RC did his research. That is a risky proposition at best.

Not sure about the argument about if we make a bad hire if we part ways with Pastner.

You keep Pastner if:
A. You think this year is an aberration and you feel he can build on the previous success.
B. You can't afford to pay him to leave.

You release Pastner if:
A. You feel this year sets the future trend based on previous sample size being 'best case'.

Period. Can't let fear of making a subpar hire stop you from trying to improve your situation.

I can listen to those that think Pastner can get it done here (there is evidence to back that up). I can't take seriously those that think we should keep him out of fear we can't 'hire up'. Whatever you think of Pastner, he was a third assistant following a legend at a program facing severe NCAA sanctions. None of those constraints will be in place if a coaching search occurs now.

Argue keeping/releasing Pastner on his merits (not impossible to do BTW), not on some misplaced inferiority complex that we can't hire a competent replacement if it comes to that.

(01-08-2015 11:47 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:27 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:25 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:19 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Nice to see you back Bugsy. Your "we are a top 15 program" no excuses, win big solution is Bobby Hurley. What a visionary.

LMAO.

You're right, my bad.

We should stick with a third assistant who's best attribute WAS recruiting, but now he cannot even do that anymore.

All we have to do is make more shots than the other teams anyway.

SMGDH

Your solution for a top 15 program where ANY coach can "win big" is to hire a coach with one year of experience at Buffalo. You would be happy with this. Then you will expect him to "win big or go home," no excuses.

Seems that you have delusions of grandeur and an inferiority complex at the same time. Makes perfect sense. Pretty funny stuff Bugsy.

Actually, I'd give Hurley 6 years.

I'd bet we'd be closer to the Sweet 16 than the CBI/CIT.

NEXT

I'm glad that you settled the delusions of grandeur/low self esteem question. Mr. "win big or go home" thinks that a 2nd year coach at Buffalo is worthy of leading our program. Funny.

That's one more year in the books than our current coach had as a HC when hired...

(01-08-2015 11:51 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Not sure about the argument about if we make a bad hire if we part ways with Pastner.

You keep Pastner if:
A. You think this year is an aberration and you feel he can build on the previous success.
B. You can't afford to pay him to leave.

You release Pastner if:
A. You feel this year sets the future trend based on previous sample size being 'best case'.

Period. Can't let fear of making a subpar hire stop you from trying to improve your situation.

I can listen to those that think Pastner can get it done here (there is evidence to back that up). I can't take seriously those that think we should keep him out of fear we can't 'hire up'. Whatever you think of Pastner, he was a third assistant following a legend at a program facing severe NCAA sanctions. None of those constraints will be in place if a coaching search occurs now.

Argue keeping/releasing Pastner on his merits (not impossible to do BTW), not on some misplaced inferiority complex that we can't hire a competent replacement if it comes to that.

Well stated.

(01-08-2015 10:06 AM)hopeum Wrote:  Josh is paid to win basketball games.

There are a ton of good people in this town already that have middle class incomes. Josh should make about $75,000 a year if he is ONLY going to be an ambassador for the city.

(01-08-2015 11:41 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:37 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:12 AM)83msu Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 09:59 AM)ndq1125 Wrote:  Sounds like a life coach who knows a liitle about basketball Josh is a good guy but a bad coach Calipari is a baf guy but a good coach.

Coaching is more than X's and O's you have to reach your player and get them to trust you no matter what and Josh hasnt done that ever

I know he a very good person and that is one reason I wanted him to succeed. It will play itself out one way or another.

Well if that unlikely event of Pastner's dismissal happens after the season, he'll get a big enough severance to live comfortably the rest of his life, he can settle in Memphis permanently, get a six figure job as a media personality with ESPN, Fox, or CBS, spend his free time working for local non-profits, and become a spokesperson for the Liberty Bowl. All that allows him to be the personality he is so wonderful at being.

And we can find us a coach who has a decent and realistic shot at the final four.

I assume you are being sarcastic? Pastner won't "settle in Memphis permanently" if he is fired or resigns. He'll get another gig making high six figures as an assistant/recruiter at a D1 program. He isn't going to just pack it in and retire. Coaches are recyclable.

I know. I wasn't being sarcastic as much as saying there are roles where he can do the stuff he is good at in Memphis.

But if he is relieved, he'll be an recruiting assistant at a high level program for 5-10 years and eventually getting a head coaching job at a mid-major.

(01-08-2015 12:24 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:41 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:37 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:12 AM)83msu Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 09:59 AM)ndq1125 Wrote:  Sounds like a life coach who knows a liitle about basketball Josh is a good guy but a bad coach Calipari is a baf guy but a good coach.

Coaching is more than X's and O's you have to reach your player and get them to trust you no matter what and Josh hasnt done that ever

I know he a very good person and that is one reason I wanted him to succeed. It will play itself out one way or another.

Well if that unlikely event of Pastner's dismissal happens after the season, he'll get a big enough severance to live comfortably the rest of his life, he can settle in Memphis permanently, get a six figure job as a media personality with ESPN, Fox, or CBS, spend his free time working for local non-profits, and become a spokesperson for the Liberty Bowl. All that allows him to be the personality he is so wonderful at being.

And we can find us a coach who has a decent and realistic shot at the final four.

I assume you are being sarcastic? Pastner won't "settle in Memphis permanently" if he is fired or resigns. He'll get another gig making high six figures as an assistant/recruiter at a D1 program. He isn't going to just pack it in and retire. Coaches are recyclable.

I know. I wasn't being sarcastic as much as saying there are roles where he can do the stuff he is good at in Memphis.

But if he is relieved, he'll be an recruiting assistant at a high level program for 5-10 years and eventually getting a head coaching job at a mid-major.

And likely even more successful for the experience if that happens.

(01-08-2015 12:27 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 12:24 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:41 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:37 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:12 AM)83msu Wrote:  I know he a very good person and that is one reason I wanted him to succeed. It will play itself out one way or another.

Well if that unlikely event of Pastner's dismissal happens after the season, he'll get a big enough severance to live comfortably the rest of his life, he can settle in Memphis permanently, get a six figure job as a media personality with ESPN, Fox, or CBS, spend his free time working for local non-profits, and become a spokesperson for the Liberty Bowl. All that allows him to be the personality he is so wonderful at being.

And we can find us a coach who has a decent and realistic shot at the final four.

I assume you are being sarcastic? Pastner won't "settle in Memphis permanently" if he is fired or resigns. He'll get another gig making high six figures as an assistant/recruiter at a D1 program. He isn't going to just pack it in and retire. Coaches are recyclable.

I know. I wasn't being sarcastic as much as saying there are roles where he can do the stuff he is good at in Memphis.

But if he is relieved, he'll be an recruiting assistant at a high level program for 5-10 years and eventually getting a head coaching job at a mid-major.

And likely even more successful for the experience if that happens.

Pastner would be a great coach for a programs where the aspirations are the conference title and making the NCAAs.

(01-08-2015 11:48 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:32 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:07 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  And when we DO overpay, we end up with JP.

We tried overpaying mediocre coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd, and they turned us down. Sean Miller, Pitino, and Mike Anderson laughed at us. We almost overpaid Scott Drew; who hasn't sniffed another offer in 12 years.

Guys like you are funny.

I would really like to know how you or anyone on this board or for that matter anyone outside the powers that be have all this knowledge of who was offered and what was said by these Coaches we supposedly offered.. I heard that we offered Floyd and Maybe Hamilton but is that true other than here-say? Because really I have no idea!! If it came from the Media, well I believe what they say half the time is worth a grain of salt.. Really I'm just asking because I really don't know.. Did RC or Administration announce people they offered or talked too because If not who really knows!! I do agree that hiring someone then was probably difficult but I don't think it would be now!!


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If he is gone, we will hire a better candidate on paper than Pastner, but back then there were no other candidates, and any other candidate would have had better credentials than Pastner.

There were a bunch of names tossed out there, but in the end, you would have to think that if there were John Groce, Cuonzo Martin, Bobby Hurley, Dave Rice, Archie Miller types that showed interest; we would have hired one of them.

You are making the assumption that RC did his research. That is a risky proposition at best.

RC told me personally that he had a list of 4 or five names of prospective coaches at all times for major hires. I can't remember if he kept the list in his pocket or in his desk drawer but he told me exactly where he kept it.

Having a written list for three different positions that you keep in a specific place indicates that research was done. What went wrong I have no idea, maybe the coaches on the list used RC to get a raise, maybe they changed their mind. I know Drew was ready to come until Lapides and Caulkins did him in.

(01-08-2015 12:49 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:48 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:32 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  We tried overpaying mediocre coaches like Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd, and they turned us down. Sean Miller, Pitino, and Mike Anderson laughed at us. We almost overpaid Scott Drew; who hasn't sniffed another offer in 12 years.

Guys like you are funny.

I would really like to know how you or anyone on this board or for that matter anyone outside the powers that be have all this knowledge of who was offered and what was said by these Coaches we supposedly offered.. I heard that we offered Floyd and Maybe Hamilton but is that true other than here-say? Because really I have no idea!! If it came from the Media, well I believe what they say half the time is worth a grain of salt.. Really I'm just asking because I really don't know.. Did RC or Administration announce people they offered or talked too because If not who really knows!! I do agree that hiring someone then was probably difficult but I don't think it would be now!!


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If he is gone, we will hire a better candidate on paper than Pastner, but back then there were no other candidates, and any other candidate would have had better credentials than Pastner.

There were a bunch of names tossed out there, but in the end, you would have to think that if there were John Groce, Cuonzo Martin, Bobby Hurley, Dave Rice, Archie Miller types that showed interest; we would have hired one of them.

You are making the assumption that RC did his research. That is a risky proposition at best.

RC told me personally that he had a list of 4 or five names of prospective coaches at all times for major hires. I can't remember if he kept the list in his pocket or in his desk drawer but he told me exactly where he kept it.

Having a written list for three different positions that you keep in a specific place indicates that research was done. What went wrong I have no idea, maybe the coaches on the list used RC to get a raise, maybe they changed their mind. I know Drew was ready to come until Lapides and Caulkins did him in.

Your first word is the only thing I needed to read. We have a new sheriff now. And as for the Canadians comment where would Scott Drew leave Baylor for now? Probably only about 5 schools

(01-08-2015 11:35 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:23 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 11:17 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  RC is no longer here. It is also no longer 2009.

I guess RC has taken turns running the show at Missouri, Arkansas, Marquette, Purdue, LSU, Texas A&M, Kentucky, Xavier, St. Johns, NC State, etc.

What does any of this have to do with our basketball team being dysfunctional?

I'm sure none of Leonard Hamilton's teams have been dysfunctional whilst they were getting out of the first round once in the last 13 years.

Has zero to do with the Tiger program, zero

Keith ... do you think JP can right this ship with all of its dysfunction; or do you think that he is the cause of the dysfunction ? I like a lot of people on this board value your input and opinion over most everyone else ...