The playoffs succeeded because we WOULD have had Alabama vs FSU in a meaningless title game.

That's why deciding who plays for a title based on the whims of east-coast based sports writers is silly (best) and corrupt (worst).

I find it interesting that the SEC is a whole lot less successful when presented with competitive matchups.

(01-02-2015 01:11 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  The only thing that stinks is that TCU is definitely a better team than Florida State and would give the other 3 teams a good game at minimum. Not saying they deserved to get in over FSU based on resume, but I hope it does eventually go to 8.

I think TCU would have slaughtered FSU, would have beaten Alabama by a couple of touchdowns, taken out Oregon by 5, and probably beaten tOSU as well.

(01-02-2015 01:32 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:11 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  The only thing that stinks is that TCU is definitely a better team than Florida State and would give the other 3 teams a good game at minimum. Not saying they deserved to get in over FSU based on resume, but I hope it does eventually go to 8.

I think TCU would have slaughtered FSU, would have beaten Alabama by a couple of touchdowns, taken out Oregon by 5, and probably beaten tOSU as well.

Based on what? The beatdown of Ole Miss was impressive, but 6-loss Arkansas was able to do the same thing.

(01-02-2015 01:21 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I find it interesting that the SEC is a whole lot less successful when presented with competitive matchups.

SEC Bowl Games:

2006: 6-3 (2-0 in BCS Bowls)
2007: 7-2 (2-0 in BCS Bowls)
2008: 6-2 (1-1 in BCS Bowls)
2009: 6-4 (2-0 in BCS Bowls)
2010: 5-5 (1-1 in BCS Bowls)
2011: 6-2 (1-1* in BCS Bowls)
2012: 6-3 (1-1 in BCS Bowls)
2013: 7-3 (0-2 in BCS Bowls)

49-24 in bowls for the last 8 seasons, and 10-6 in BCS Bowls isn't really the formula for being unsuccessful when presented with competitive competition. And if you want to go all the way to when the BCS started, the SEC has the second most appearances and the most wins in BCS games. Unless those aren't considered competitive match ups either.

B1G: 28 appearances; 13-15
SEC: 27 appearances; 17-10
PAC 12: 21 appearances; 13-8
BIG 12: 21 appearances; 9-12
ACC: 18 appearances; 5-13

(01-02-2015 01:53 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:32 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:11 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  The only thing that stinks is that TCU is definitely a better team than Florida State and would give the other 3 teams a good game at minimum. Not saying they deserved to get in over FSU based on resume, but I hope it does eventually go to 8.

I think TCU would have slaughtered FSU, would have beaten Alabama by a couple of touchdowns, taken out Oregon by 5, and probably beaten tOSU as well.

Based on what? The beatdown of Ole Miss was impressive, but 6-loss Arkansas was able to do the same thing.

Performance. Ole Miss wasn't even a speed bump, TCU contained all the right tools they needed to win it all. I think their biggest challenge would have been Ohio State. And I think Ohio State will win it all.

TCU got left out, but for the most part, this system is way better than what we had before

(01-02-2015 01:14 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 01:12 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Wasnt oregon ranked #2.
1 bama played 4 osu
2 oregon played 3 fsu.

Would-be BCS rankings had Alabama at number 1 and Florida State and number 2. So they would have played for the national championship.

On top of that its possible that without a playoff committee FSU would have remained number one, as they didn't lose votes in either major poll until the committee dropped them out of the top spot.

(01-02-2015 09:32 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  TCU got left out, but for the most part, this system is way better than what we had before

It's better, but still too flawed. I'll at least consider it a playoff and national championship when there are 8 teams. But even then, perceptions could keep a worthy team like Boise State out when they really should be in. The same flawed perceptions that would have made this year's NC a Tuscaloosa/FSU game.

(01-04-2015 12:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 09:32 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  TCU got left out, but for the most part, this system is way better than what we had before

It's better, but still too flawed. I'll at least consider it a playoff and national championship when there are 8 teams. But even then, perceptions could keep a worthy team like Boise State out when they really should be in. The same flawed perceptions that would have made this year's NC a Tuscaloosa/FSU game.

If it goes to 8, I'd like to see the 5 P5 champs and top ranked G5 team all get slots, along with top two at larges. That would give the #1 team possibly an easier first round game ( or an opportunity for a historic upset for the G5 team).

The logistics are tough though for an 8 team playoff, unless you ditch the bowls for those 8 teams. No way you can expect fans to travel on a weeks' notice.

Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

(01-04-2015 01:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

So 2 random teams out of the 6 get byes? The fact is that we don't know who the best 2 teams are, yet you're going to name 2 teams to get byes? Besides, I don't feel sorry for FSU having to travel time zones, every team in the north has to travel a long ways to get to their bowl games every year.

(01-04-2015 01:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

NFL has rematches every year. It's no big deal. It's going to happen, even with a 4 team playoff.

IMO the big reasons to expand are two-fold- to capture all champs and all other teams with a legit argument for being the top team. An 8 team playoff accomplishes both, and allows a spot for a G5 team, which is also a desirable outcome.

(01-04-2015 01:33 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

NFL has rematches every year. It's no big deal. It's going to happen, even with a 4 team playoff.

IMO the big reasons to expand are two-fold- to capture all champs and all other teams with a legit argument for being the top team. An 8 team playoff accomplishes both, and allows a spot for a G5 team, which is also a desirable outcome.

Conference championship games are often rematches. And, as often as not, the team that lost in the regular season wins the championship game. That doesn't seem to bother HO. But this does?

(01-04-2015 01:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

So 2 random teams out of the 6 get byes? The fact is that we don't know who the best 2 teams are, yet you're going to name 2 teams to get byes? Besides, I don't feel sorry for FSU having to travel time zones, every team in the north has to travel a long ways to get to their bowl games every year.

Random?

I'm sorry, where was the outrage at seeing Alabama and Oregon as the top two picks this year? Hardly random.

I didn't say to feel sorry about FSU travelling. I said it very likely affected the outcome. Oregon having that advantage is as akin to having a Bye and they playing someone that already played.

You may not like the idea of Byes but the Networks will. Why? Because it will keep the top two teams in the tournament longer.

(01-04-2015 01:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:33 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

NFL has rematches every year. It's no big deal. It's going to happen, even with a 4 team playoff.

IMO the big reasons to expand are two-fold- to capture all champs and all other teams with a legit argument for being the top team. An 8 team playoff accomplishes both, and allows a spot for a G5 team, which is also a desirable outcome.

Conference championship games are often rematches. And, as often as not, the team that lost in the regular season wins the championship game. That doesn't seem to bother HO. But this does?

Ohio State didn't play Wisconsin. Florida State didn't play Georgia Tech. Alabama didn't play Missouri.

Only Oregon and Arizona played previously. In that instance it built value in the match up because Oregon was the team lauded as the PAC team that could represent the PAC in the Playoff. If Arizona won, it wouldn't have been a sure thing that they make it to the Playoff so it was a chance for Oregon to make right their single wrong of the season BEFORE going to the playoff.

What we saw with Alabama and LSU is that rematches at that final stage, they don't go over well.

So once again, you whiff big. Keep on trying Bit, someday you may be able to put together something that isn't obviously more of an attack on me than it is a reasonable point. That and you can now go back underneath your bridge.

(01-04-2015 01:33 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

NFL has rematches every year. It's no big deal. It's going to happen, even with a 4 team playoff.

IMO the big reasons to expand are two-fold- to capture all champs and all other teams with a legit argument for being the top team. An 8 team playoff accomplishes both, and allows a spot for a G5 team, which is also a desirable outcome.

For people that have to set these situations up in advance, all they have is math and percentages. It is a very small chance of rematch with the four team, especially when compared to the possibility of it happening with an eight team playoff that absolutely will bring multiple teams from the same conference.

You cant possibly begin to put together a sensible argument for why the chance of it happening being similar. It isn't and the marketing folks for the Networks that are putting out all the massive money will have their say in this. The Schools will listen because they want to maximize the dollars in coordination with having the least amount of change possible.

No it didn't. We can't have this hybrid system. Either have the old bowl system or move to a broader playoff system.

(01-04-2015 01:50 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  No it didn't. We can't have this hybrid system. Either have the old bowl system or move to a broader playoff system.

What we had this year was light years better than the old system. In the old system it would have been Alabama vs Florida State. I bet you would like that though, wouldn't you?

A championship game of both losers simply because they are both from the South and MUST be the better teams right?

(01-04-2015 01:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

So 2 random teams out of the 6 get byes? The fact is that we don't know who the best 2 teams are, yet you're going to name 2 teams to get byes? Besides, I don't feel sorry for FSU having to travel time zones, every team in the north has to travel a long ways to get to their bowl games every year.

Random?

I'm sorry, where was the outrage at seeing Alabama and Oregon as the top two picks this year? Hardly random.

I didn't say to feel sorry about FSU travelling. I said it very likely affected the outcome. Oregon having that advantage is as akin to having a Bye and they playing someone that already played.

You may not like the idea of Byes but the Networks will. Why? Because it will keep the top two teams in the tournament longer.

So an Alabama team that wasn't as good as Ohio State would have received a bye, while Ohio State would have had to play, risking more injuries. And all of it based on the incorrect assumption that Alabama was better. They're already playing a lot of the bowls practically in the backyards of some of these teams. Now you're going to provide them a bye week too.

(01-04-2015 01:52 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:42 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Eight teams is going to give us rematches from the regular season. Terrible idea.

Six teams gives you what you want if realignment hasn't worked itself out yet. The five teams from the majors and then one more spot for an Independent, a G5 team or if neither of those work out then you have a stand out second team from one of the majors.

Also, six means you have two less bowls to have to fill with repeat fans. The top two teams have something to seriously work for in regards to being the top two teams, the BYE. As we saw this year with four, being in the top two helps you out with location but Ohio State still got the win. The BYE is an even bigger deal than location is.

That being said, I do think the time zone difference was a big deal for FSU to have to add to their preparations that Oregon didn't have to worry about.

So 2 random teams out of the 6 get byes? The fact is that we don't know who the best 2 teams are, yet you're going to name 2 teams to get byes? Besides, I don't feel sorry for FSU having to travel time zones, every team in the north has to travel a long ways to get to their bowl games every year.

Random?

I'm sorry, where was the outrage at seeing Alabama and Oregon as the top two picks this year? Hardly random.

I didn't say to feel sorry about FSU travelling. I said it very likely affected the outcome. Oregon having that advantage is as akin to having a Bye and they playing someone that already played.

You may not like the idea of Byes but the Networks will. Why? Because it will keep the top two teams in the tournament longer.

So an Alabama team that wasn't as good as Ohio State would have received a bye, while Ohio State would have had to play, risking more injuries. And all of it based on the incorrect assumption that Alabama was better. They're already playing a lot of the bowls practically in the backyards of some of these teams. Now you're going to provide them a bye week too.

Nope, this season is in the history books and we have all learned a valuable lesson from it. A lesson that was very necessary before we start inserting Bye's into the National Playoff. You are right about the need for being responsible with them.

That is what comes with Growth though. You build upon the past and move beyond it. I never once thought this year that the SEC West was truly all that much better. I was very open about that and even said that I thought the PAC South would have beaten the SEC West in a direct challenge.

So pardon me for having thoughts of a system that would absolutely work when folks get their perceptions proper and stop being a flock led by the ESPN shepherd.