(12-23-2014 08:16 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 04:51 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 07:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 07:08 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Not necessarily

There's no gurantee the SEC or ACC would want any of the Big 12 leftovers if UT/OU/KU find home elsewhere. None of the leftovers may be worth expansion to 16.

I don't understand why the concept of all or nothing is lost on so many people.

If they don't then nothing happens, period. These people are not waiting for the Big 12 GoR to end. The money is dangling right out in front of them.

Conference Tournaments are worth it. Moving to four divisions for stronger divisional rivalries is worth it. Having four major conferences instead of five is worth it to the conferences in terms of improving their negotiations with the Networks.

It is worth it to the Networks because they get greater divisional rivalries, conference tournaments and more worthy conference champions to push forward for a National Playoff.

It is almost like repeating the same list when it comes to pluses for the conferences and pluses for the Networks. When that happens, it makes it very likely that such an event happens.

Another benefit for the Networks and Conferences alike is that by moving to such a system, where committees and rankings ect are no more, the average fan can better understand the system. ESPN, Fox, NBC, whoever else...they're not trying to get the diehard college fan. They're trying to get the people that AREN'T diehards to also tune in. By simplifying the post season model, the average fan will be more likely to tune in because they'll have a better understanding of what's happening and why it's important. People will pay more attention to what they get and less attention to what they don't get. Conferences and networks alike will benefit from streamlining the post season battle for the championship due to increased viewership from the "layman".

Meanwhile He1nous, I feel really dirty for agreeing with you on this subject. Just thought you should know.

If you think you feel dirty now, I do believe in the past that I have written something pretty much identical to what you have put together in this post.

This is something that the Networks definitely want. The conferences take some heat for moving yet again away from tradition but the leaders take the heat because what this concept means to them is more money.

I'm just not sure if I can live with myself right now...

(12-23-2014 04:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 06:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 04:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 04:34 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I don't know what to tell anyone that thinks a conference that lost four members, rushed to replace them with two, has at least one of it's top programs (if not more) openly looking for exit opportunities, and is stubborn about expansion in spite of being left out of the playoffs is a stable conference. I really just don't know what to say. The writing isn't just on the wall, there's a big damn neon sign saying "IMPLOSION PENDING"...

Call me when the implosion happens. But not before.

I don't understand why this topic aggravates you. If it happens then WVU ends up in either the SEC or the ACC. Either one is a better home for WVU than the big 12 is.

The SEC would be nice. But screw the ACC.

If WVU ever ends up in the ACC, I hope it's after I'm safely dead - and the NCAA has given UNC the death penalty for decades of academic cheating.

Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame. I would think that those teams alone would trip your trigger but when you add in the likes of Florida State to help your coaches get back into Florida then you got to love that. Georgia Tech in Atlanta? Clemson?

I get it, you hate that the ACC passed you up before but if you end up there anyway then what does it matter except in an emotional way?

As a Louisville fan, I'm really glad we don't have to deal with WVU anymore...

Expect the best, prepare for the worst. I don't think you will see WVU in the ACC but the complex negotiations could potentially go in that direction. WVU matches the culture of the SEC more so than it does the ACC.

I'll be happy when the sky finally falls and much of this is put to rest.

As of right now, it's just conference fans bashing each over the head with silliness.

(12-23-2014 06:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 04:36 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 06:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 04:43 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 04:34 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I don't know what to tell anyone that thinks a conference that lost four members, rushed to replace them with two, has at least one of it's top programs (if not more) openly looking for exit opportunities, and is stubborn about expansion in spite of being left out of the playoffs is a stable conference. I really just don't know what to say. The writing isn't just on the wall, there's a big damn neon sign saying "IMPLOSION PENDING"...

Call me when the implosion happens. But not before.

I don't understand why this topic aggravates you. If it happens then WVU ends up in either the SEC or the ACC. Either one is a better home for WVU than the big 12 is.

The SEC would be nice. But screw the ACC.

If WVU ever ends up in the ACC, I hope it's after I'm safely dead - and the NCAA has given UNC the death penalty for decades of academic cheating.

Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame. I would think that those teams alone would trip your trigger but when you add in the likes of Florida State to help your coaches get back into Florida then you got to love that. Georgia Tech in Atlanta? Clemson?

I get it, you hate that the ACC passed you up before but if you end up there anyway then what does it matter except in an emotional way?

There you go, thinking again. I keep telling you it's a dangerous habit that only leads you into trouble. I've always detested the ACC. The fact that the ACC has wanted nothing to do with WVU since it was founded has nothing to do with it.

WVU does NOT need to play in Florida to recruit Florida. WVU's last few recruiting classes have proven that. The current recruiting class has 11 Florida kids, as well as kids from Georgia and North Carolina. That tells me that WVU does not need the ACC to recruit ACC country. The Big XII is sufficiently attractive to recruits who want to play exciting football against some of the best teams in the nation.

It is not about recruiting Florida, it is about recruiting Florida better. Everyone recruits Florida.

According to ESPiN, WVU has FOUR 4 star Florida recruits, and SEVEN 3 star recruits. Has anybody in the B1G ever done as well?

BTW, WVU is still in the running for TWO more 4 star Florida recruits. Not too shabby for someone who is having trouble recruiting Florida.

Why are you wanting to compare to the Big Ten? Compare to Louisville. Louisville is not just recruiting Florida but they are recruiting the entire Deep South. They have four signings from Florida and they have something like 30 recruits from Florida showing interest.

So? Who has the higher ranked recruiting class?

#24 WVU, #35 Louisville (ESPiN) http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sport...ion=upsell
#18 WVU, #31 Louisville (scout) http://westvirginia.scout.com/a.z?s=159&...14&yr=2015
#22 WVU, #26 Louisville (rivals) https://rivals.yahoo.com/westvirginia/fo...lOeRMeu5B4
#22 WVU, #31 Louisville (247sports) http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footbal...amRankings

Average - #21.5 WVU, #30.667 Louisville

BTW, UofL has 2 more recruits committed than WVU, and they're still behind the Mountaineers in every recruiting ranking. So the comparison with the Cards fails, dude.

(12-23-2014 08:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Why are you wanting to compare to the Big Ten? Compare to Louisville. Louisville is not just recruiting Florida but they are recruiting the entire Deep South. They have four signings from Florida and they have something like 30 recruits from Florida showing interest.

Well if you want to compare wvu to ul, both scout and rivals have the wvu class has being better as of now, but I can't think of a more useless thing then to compare recruiting classes before signing day.

Bit is right, wvu has recruited as well on paper in Florida the last two years has it ever has. I would guess that Louisville and many other schools can say the same. Miami's fall into the black hole and Al Golden's inability to pull them out thus far has helped a lot of schools.

That's great that UL is recruiting well in the Deep South but West Virginia traditional recruiting grounds are very different then that of the Cardinals. WVU draws kids from Pa, Ohio,DC/Baltimore and Florida. Sprinkle in a kid or two from wv and jersey and there's usually your class. West Virginia has never tried or frankly needed to try to put the time and money into recruiting Mississippi or Alabama on a large scale

Jackson

(12-23-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Expect the best, prepare for the worst. I don't think you will see WVU in the ACC but the complex negotiations could potentially go in that direction. WVU matches the culture of the SEC more so than it does the ACC.

Agreed. With every stage of expansion, the ACC has become a lot more urban with several private schools. One thing that being in the Big 12 has shown me is that WVU has more in common with Iowa St. and Texas Tech then with Boston College and Miami. WVU would fit like a glove in the SEC

Jackson

(12-23-2014 08:47 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Expect the best, prepare for the worst. I don't think you will see WVU in the ACC but the complex negotiations could potentially go in that direction. WVU matches the culture of the SEC more so than it does the ACC.

Agreed. With every stage of expansion, the ACC has become a lot more urban with several private schools. One thing that being in the Big 12 has shown me is that WVU has more in common with Iowa St. and Texas Tech then with Boston College and Miami. WVU would fit like a glove in the SEC

Jackson

I don't disagree with that. Outside of OU and Texas, Iowa St and Texas Tech have a very loyal following.

Wait...why are we comparing against Louisville, again?

Both have recently moved from the Big East into a Major Conference. WVU moved to a Texas based conference while Louisville has moved into a conference with part of it's footprint being in the Southeast, including Florida.

I just felt there was enough similarity for it to be a more scientific comparison.

(12-23-2014 08:47 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Expect the best, prepare for the worst. I don't think you will see WVU in the ACC but the complex negotiations could potentially go in that direction. WVU matches the culture of the SEC more so than it does the ACC.

Agreed. With every stage of expansion, the ACC has become a lot more urban with several private schools. One thing that being in the Big 12 has shown me is that WVU has more in common with Iowa St. and Texas Tech then with Boston College and Miami. WVU would fit like a glove in the SEC

Jackson

West Virginia and East Carolina would make great 15th and 16th teams for the SEC.

(12-24-2014 09:54 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 08:47 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Expect the best, prepare for the worst. I don't think you will see WVU in the ACC but the complex negotiations could potentially go in that direction. WVU matches the culture of the SEC more so than it does the ACC.

Agreed. With every stage of expansion, the ACC has become a lot more urban with several private schools. One thing that being in the Big 12 has shown me is that WVU has more in common with Iowa St. and Texas Tech then with Boston College and Miami. WVU would fit like a glove in the SEC

Jackson

West Virginia and East Carolina would make great 15th and 16th teams for the SEC.

Neither is going to happen

(12-24-2014 11:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 09:54 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 08:47 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Expect the best, prepare for the worst. I don't think you will see WVU in the ACC but the complex negotiations could potentially go in that direction. WVU matches the culture of the SEC more so than it does the ACC.

Agreed. With every stage of expansion, the ACC has become a lot more urban with several private schools. One thing that being in the Big 12 has shown me is that WVU has more in common with Iowa St. and Texas Tech then with Boston College and Miami. WVU would fit like a glove in the SEC

Jackson

West Virginia and East Carolina would make great 15th and 16th teams for the SEC.

Neither is going to happen

6 Power Conferences. 8 Team playoff......Conference Champ and 2 At-Large... This year would have been Alabama, Oregon, Florida State, Ohio State, Baylor, Boise State, TCU, and Mississippi State.

Also four team playoff for conference championship would pretty much make a 32 team playoff.

(12-23-2014 08:37 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 08:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Why are you wanting to compare to the Big Ten? Compare to Louisville. Louisville is not just recruiting Florida but they are recruiting the entire Deep South. They have four signings from Florida and they have something like 30 recruits from Florida showing interest.

Well if you want to compare wvu to ul, both scout and rivals have the wvu class has being better as of now, but I can't think of a more useless thing then to compare recruiting classes before signing day.

Bit is right, wvu has recruited as well on paper in Florida the last two years has it ever has. I would guess that Louisville and many other schools can say the same. Miami's fall into the black hole and Al Golden's inability to pull them out thus far has helped a lot of schools.

That's great that UL is recruiting well in the Deep South but West Virginia traditional recruiting grounds are very different then that of the Cardinals. WVU draws kids from Pa, Ohio,DC/Baltimore and Florida. Sprinkle in a kid or two from wv and jersey and there's usually your class. West Virginia has never tried or frankly needed to try to put the time and money into recruiting Mississippi or Alabama on a large scale

Jackson

Seems to me wvu has recruited the Mobile ala area pretty hard in recent years.

(12-24-2014 11:46 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 08:37 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 08:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Why are you wanting to compare to the Big Ten? Compare to Louisville. Louisville is not just recruiting Florida but they are recruiting the entire Deep South. They have four signings from Florida and they have something like 30 recruits from Florida showing interest.

Well if you want to compare wvu to ul, both scout and rivals have the wvu class has being better as of now, but I can't think of a more useless thing then to compare recruiting classes before signing day.

Bit is right, wvu has recruited as well on paper in Florida the last two years has it ever has. I would guess that Louisville and many other schools can say the same. Miami's fall into the black hole and Al Golden's inability to pull them out thus far has helped a lot of schools.

That's great that UL is recruiting well in the Deep South but West Virginia traditional recruiting grounds are very different then that of the Cardinals. WVU draws kids from Pa, Ohio,DC/Baltimore and Florida. Sprinkle in a kid or two from wv and jersey and there's usually your class. West Virginia has never tried or frankly needed to try to put the time and money into recruiting Mississippi or Alabama on a large scale

Jackson

Seems to me wvu has recruited the Mobile ala area pretty hard in recent years.

WVU has never recruited Alabama very hard, even though we have gotten a few recruits from there occasionally. If we can get a talented kid from AL, we will pursue him. But it's not a focus for the Mountaineers. Jackson has already stated the main areas of focus for WVU (OH, PA, MD, NJ, and Florida). Recruits we get from any other states are merely icing on the cake.