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RE: Now that the B12 talk is officially dead
(12-19-2014 09:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
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(12-19-2014 09:11 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  There will be no movement as much as some would love to get chosen to go. This league could grow and increase our payout.
The only thing our schools control is growing their brand, having success on the field and in the stands. If they do that then
1. They might be plucked in the future
2. Make the AAC more valuable and increase the TV revenue

Wait till next Year

Oh listen I know we are going to have these we are leaving for the B12 threads every year, every time the B12 coughs.
But as I said the only things our schools can control is improving themselves and making themselves better draws for TV

(12-19-2014 10:12 PM)Sam Minuteman Wrote:  I'm not a fan of "merging" with other conferencing for a "super conference" because you would only play teams in the other division once every 8 years or so in football.... might as well just be in a different conference. HOWEVER if/when a team in each division goes undefeated and meet in the championship game it would make it awfully tough to leave them out of the playoff.

My question is: what has the AAC done with all the exit fee money? I'm assuming it is simply being divided up among the teams leftover from the original conference? But if the league want to try and become one of the "power" leagues why not come up with a strategic imitative to use that money to lift up the conference. Not sure what the answer is but perhaps "earmarking" money for recruiting? promotion? improved product distribution? Buying heavily promotatable games such as UCF in Ireland........ The funds come into the conference due to schools leaving and weakening the conference it seems that money should be used to strengthen the conference which would be in the best interest of those schools originally in the conference and leftover. I guess if those left behind schools simply plan on leaving then the incentive to improve the conference is gone and grabbing cash on the way out would make the most sense.

I'd earmark some of it to create a high payout bowl for our champion that could attract a decent P5 opponent.
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(12-19-2014 08:00 PM)dezagcoog Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 07:39 PM)TforTempleU Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 07:26 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
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(12-19-2014 06:53 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Agree with your agreed.

I'll agree to agree with your agreeing to his agree.

To what degree, do you agree? 05-stirthepot

A high degree

Well I just concur.

I agree with your concur.
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Most of the $$ went to the 3 left behind schools to keep their payouts up for the next few years, while TV money is so low. Some of it went to the new schools to do the same. The AAC is doing just fine building its new brand, and the individual school need the cash to build their own individual programs. I agree some cash in the Miami bowl may make sense, but doubt schools would willingly give up a 100k or so to have the extra Mil for it. I don't know if 500k extra payout would have made a big dif on a 1st year bowl game.
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Not sure if anyone heard, but Cincy and Memphis are headed to the B12.


I kid.


Every school in this conference should strive to move up, but the AAC has been a great conference for us all. I know the leftovers are pissed, but it could have been worse.
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I am glad one person on this board finally realizes that this B12 talk is nonsense. You can run the numbers till the cows come home and they all say that the Big 12 adding 2 teams makes no economic sense at all. It only dilutes their income. Until ESPN and Fox cough up extra cash, or the Big 12 changes their economic model, then it wont happen.

So it comes down to this... Why would ESPN pay more money for a product they already have? They own all the teams in the AAC, MWC and BYU. So why move any to the big 12 and pay extra for them? Its not happening.

In 2016 the Big 10 gets their new first tier contract and at that point, maybe there is room for the Big 12 to go back and negotiate, but I doubt it even then.

Now on the other hand, the AAC has stabilized and has shown to have a solid product. We have outperformed the entire G5 in basically every sport including football, basketball, baseball, and soccer. It has been mentioned several times that Aresco is already working on finding ways to increase the value of the AAC and that he has approached his TV partners about renegotiating the tv contract.

Come 2019, our TV contract is up... as is BYUs. I can see the AAC negotiating a better deal at that point, inviting BYU and possibly looking to add 3 MWC schools. Landing BYU is key. At that point we can make a play for Boise St and then offer CSU and Air Force. Thats a 16 team lineup that could get a decent contract.
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(12-20-2014 08:20 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  Not sure if anyone heard, but Cincy and Memphis are headed to the B12.


I kid.


Every school in this conference should strive to move up, but the AAC has been a great conference for us all. I know the leftovers are pissed, but it could have been worse.

The AAC is a great conference for us all
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(12-20-2014 01:21 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(12-20-2014 08:20 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  Not sure if anyone heard, but Cincy and Memphis are headed to the B12.


I kid.


Every school in this conference should strive to move up, but the AAC has been a great conference for us all. I know the leftovers are pissed, but it could have been worse.

The AAC is a great conference for us all

True dat
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(12-20-2014 01:46 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  
(12-20-2014 01:21 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(12-20-2014 08:20 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  Not sure if anyone heard, but Cincy and Memphis are headed to the B12.


I kid.


Every school in this conference should strive to move up, but the AAC has been a great conference for us all. I know the leftovers are pissed, but it could have been worse.

The AAC is a great conference for us all

True dat

I was just having some fun, I knew that's what you meant. :)
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(12-20-2014 08:04 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Most of the $$ went to the 3 left behind schools to keep their payouts up for the next few years, while TV money is so low. Some of it went to the new schools to do the same. The AAC is doing just fine building its new brand, and the individual school need the cash to build their own individual programs. I agree some cash in the Miami bowl may make sense, but doubt schools would willingly give up a 100k or so to have the extra Mil for it. I don't know if 500k extra payout would have made a big dif on a 1st year bowl game.

There is little point in a 500K bump. That's just a waste of money.

Here is what I would do. The CFP flowing to the G5 is about 85 million and is divided into 3 pools of money. Ones is divided evenly and will provide us with 1 million per team (maxing out at 12 million per conference) that we can count on every year--that's 59 million of the 85 million. The rest, of the CFP G5 pot comes to about 26 million. That money is distributed based on performance. It will go up and down every year. Six million goes to the conference that puts a team in the access bowl and the rest (about 20 million) is divided up into 15 shares and is distributed based upon overall conference performance (#1 gets 5 shares, #2 gets 4 shares, #3 gets 3 shares, etc...).

My suggestion would be to send all the performance based money over and above 1 share into the bowl fund. So if we get 1 share, nothing goes into the fund. If we get 4 shares, 3 shares (3.99 million) go into the fund. Over a 6 year period we could amass as little as zero or as much as 32 million. If we averaged a second place finish over the next 6 years we would amass almost 24 million in that fund. Since its money nobody can count on, anything over one share is not really going to be built into any school athletic budget.

A 20 million dollar fund would allow us to offer an opponent a 3 million dollar pay day for the Miami Bowl in 2020 when the NEW bowl cycle starts. Based on what I see currently, that should be enough to get the Miami Bowl into a P5 rotation with a #3, #4, or #5 selection from these conferences (similar to the Liberty Bowl). Bumping the payout 500K is useless. If we want a quality bowl for our champion the only way we are going to get one is to pay for it.

Having a signature bowl against a worthy opponent for our champ is a way of elevating us in stature. The power conferences all have such a post season destination. Establishing our own "Orange Bowl" is the first step toward reaching that "tweener" conference status.

Keep in mind, this 3 million dollar investment isn't necessarily lost money. Remember, we own the Miami Bowl. With a high end power conference opponent in OUR bowl, we would sell more tickets, get a better date, and receive more money for the broadcast/sponsorship rights. If things go well, we not only get most of our money back, we may, like most bowls do, actually make a significant profit on the arrangement (which would then flow back to the schools as even more income than they would have received from the original CFP payout). Once the fund is large enough to safely fund the bowl, the excess can be funneled back to the member schools.
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I'd like being in the AAC more if we had Syracuse. It was fun winning in their dome every other year.
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(12-19-2014 03:46 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 03:21 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 03:01 PM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 02:13 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Why do you think it is over?

Why do you think its not over?

I sense fear

What is it that you're scared of?

Great response, thank u.
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(12-19-2014 06:03 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 05:06 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Since the beginning I was hoping the American would become the first 16 team Mega conference.

1. Cincy
2. Memphis
3. ECU
4. UConn
5. Temple
6. Navy
7. UCF
8. USF

1. Houston
2. BYU
3. SMU
4. Tulsa
5. Air Force
6. San Diego State
7. Boise State
8. Tulane

8 conference games. 1 crossover to save on Travel costs, champ game played at neutral site.

That'd easily be a Power conference, would get a great tv deal and the champ would easily be worth an auto access slot.

I have no clue why this didn't happen... This conference would be a blast.

I didn't replace any current American members. Which is why Utah State and Colorado State aren't on here.

That's a pretty good conference, especially in football, and would probably keep most of our members happy and not daydreaming about jumping ship at the first opportunity.

My dream merger would look just a little different, only because I'd like to see this become a legitimate power league. To do that, we need both strong football and basketball.

East

Cincinnati
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Connecticut
Temple
UCF
USF

West

BYU
Boise State
San Diego State
UNLV
Houston
SMU
Tulane
New Mexico

That set up would provide "better than G5" football, a top 5 basketball league and good Olympic sports.

We would have the top 3 non-P5 football programs in BYU, Boise State and Cincinnati. We would have tradition rich basketball venues like "the Pit" in New Mexico and Gampel Pavilion in Storrs. Big time basketball programs and historically strong football schools. Old powers like Houston and new stars like UCF.

I could easily envision an ESPN contract worth 3-4x what we're making now.

When did Cinn become a top 3 non-P5?
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(12-20-2014 03:37 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I'd like being in the AAC more if we had Syracuse. It was fun winning in their dome every other year.

USF just signed a two year deal with them. THey were so bad last year that I actually have USF down for a win next year against them.
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(12-20-2014 05:15 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 06:03 PM)EvilLore Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 05:06 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  Since the beginning I was hoping the American would become the first 16 team Mega conference.

1. Cincy
2. Memphis
3. ECU
4. UConn
5. Temple
6. Navy
7. UCF
8. USF

1. Houston
2. BYU
3. SMU
4. Tulsa
5. Air Force
6. San Diego State
7. Boise State
8. Tulane

8 conference games. 1 crossover to save on Travel costs, champ game played at neutral site.

That'd easily be a Power conference, would get a great tv deal and the champ would easily be worth an auto access slot.

I have no clue why this didn't happen... This conference would be a blast.

I didn't replace any current American members. Which is why Utah State and Colorado State aren't on here.

That's a pretty good conference, especially in football, and would probably keep most of our members happy and not daydreaming about jumping ship at the first opportunity.

My dream merger would look just a little different, only because I'd like to see this become a legitimate power league. To do that, we need both strong football and basketball.

East

Cincinnati
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Connecticut
Temple
UCF
USF

West

BYU
Boise State
San Diego State
UNLV
Houston
SMU
Tulane
New Mexico

That set up would provide "better than G5" football, a top 5 basketball league and good Olympic sports.

We would have the top 3 non-P5 football programs in BYU, Boise State and Cincinnati. We would have tradition rich basketball venues like "the Pit" in New Mexico and Gampel Pavilion in Storrs. Big time basketball programs and historically strong football schools. Old powers like Houston and new stars like UCF.

I could easily envision an ESPN contract worth 3-4x what we're making now.

When did Cinn become a top 3 non-P5?

Since over the last 8 years, we have finished in the top 25 six times. Won our conference 5/7 years, and have top notch hoops to boot. What do you got?
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Baghdad Bob would love this thread.
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(12-20-2014 12:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 09:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 09:25 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 09:11 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  There will be no movement as much as some would love to get chosen to go. This league could grow and increase our payout.
The only thing our schools control is growing their brand, having success on the field and in the stands. If they do that then
1. They might be plucked in the future
2. Make the AAC more valuable and increase the TV revenue

Wait till next Year

Oh listen I know we are going to have these we are leaving for the B12 threads every year, every time the B12 coughs.
But as I said the only things our schools can control is improving themselves and making themselves better draws for TV

(12-19-2014 10:12 PM)Sam Minuteman Wrote:  I'm not a fan of "merging" with other conferencing for a "super conference" because you would only play teams in the other division once every 8 years or so in football.... might as well just be in a different conference. HOWEVER if/when a team in each division goes undefeated and meet in the championship game it would make it awfully tough to leave them out of the playoff.

My question is: what has the AAC done with all the exit fee money? I'm assuming it is simply being divided up among the teams leftover from the original conference? But if the league want to try and become one of the "power" leagues why not come up with a strategic imitative to use that money to lift up the conference. Not sure what the answer is but perhaps "earmarking" money for recruiting? promotion? improved product distribution? Buying heavily promotatable games such as UCF in Ireland........ The funds come into the conference due to schools leaving and weakening the conference it seems that money should be used to strengthen the conference which would be in the best interest of those schools originally in the conference and leftover. I guess if those left behind schools simply plan on leaving then the incentive to improve the conference is gone and grabbing cash on the way out would make the most sense.

I'd earmark some of it to create a high payout bowl for our champion that could attract a decent P5 opponent.

I think this is a graet idea! Until (or if?) we can establish ourselves as a power conference, we need to be able to play them in the biggest bowls or biggest games to prove our worth. And of course we would need to win some of these games.
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