What an obnoxious blowhard. Wouldn't it be nice if every fan from every school in the AAC would make a pact to not watch any b-12 football games, nor purchase any products from advertisers and sponsors of the b-12. I'm just one voice, a whisper in a raging storm. Collectively, our voices can be the storm. In the meantime let's make the AAC the next "power" conference by performing in OOC games against schools that are making 25x the amount of revenue that schools within our conference receive.

1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

(12-22-2014 12:10 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

I agree with everything you said and the priorities piece is reflective of the split in the conf regarding expansion. The contract is the biggest roadblock for expansion.

(12-22-2014 12:10 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

This all makes logical sense. The Big 12 will not act until future variables (autonomy) are decided. They will need a championship game, because they are at a significant disadvantage without one.

(12-22-2014 08:42 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 12:10 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

This all makes logical sense. The Big 12 will not act until future variables (autonomy) are decided. They will need a championship game, because they are at a significant disadvantage without one.

I think your last statement hasn't been proven yet. Yes this year it proved to hurt them but had Mizzou beaten Bama in the SEC game or GT beaten FSU or Wisky beaten OSU would we be having this talk about how much it hurt the Big12 not having a championships? I doubt it.

(12-22-2014 09:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 08:42 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 12:10 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

This all makes logical sense. The Big 12 will not act until future variables (autonomy) are decided. They will need a championship game, because they are at a significant disadvantage without one.

I think your last statement hasn't been proven yet. Yes this year it proved to hurt them but had Mizzou beaten Bama in the SEC game or GT beaten FSU or Wisky beaten OSU would we be having this talk about how much it hurt the Big12 not having a championships? I doubt it.

yes, but that is entirely the point. the big 12 will always have the back seat. they will always need the "what if's" to occur to make it in.

(12-22-2014 09:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 08:42 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 12:10 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

This all makes logical sense. The Big 12 will not act until future variables (autonomy) are decided. They will need a championship game, because they are at a significant disadvantage without one.

I think your last statement hasn't been proven yet. Yes this year it proved to hurt them but had Mizzou beaten Bama in the SEC game or GT beaten FSU or Wisky beaten OSU would we be having this talk about how much it hurt the Big12 not having a championships? I doubt it.

Imho, almost every year, the p5 conferences will each have a strong candidate for the playoffs. The playoff committee has already stated the exaggerated weight of a conference championship game. Moreover, It is also adds a strong game at the end of the year which ensures the team is playing well at the time. Consequently, in many years, the championship games will be used to distinguish playoff candidates. If the Big 12 does not participate, they will be left out, unless their candidate for the playoffs is beyond reproach. I do not think this was the perfect storm or set of circumstances against the big 12. I think there will be some years when the last candidate has two losses. The Big 12 will lose in this scenario also.

(12-22-2014 09:26 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 08:42 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 12:10 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

This all makes logical sense. The Big 12 will not act until future variables (autonomy) are decided. They will need a championship game, because they are at a significant disadvantage without one.

I think your last statement hasn't been proven yet. Yes this year it proved to hurt them but had Mizzou beaten Bama in the SEC game or GT beaten FSU or Wisky beaten OSU would we be having this talk about how much it hurt the Big12 not having a championships? I doubt it.

Imho, almost every year, the p5 conferences will each have a strong candidate for the playoffs. The playoff committee has already stated the exaggerated weight of a conference championship game. Moreover, It is also adds a strong game at the end of the year which ensures the team is playing well at the time. Consequently, in many years, the championship games will be used to distinguish playoff candidates. If the Big 12 does not participate, they will be left out, unless their candidate for the playoffs is beyond reproach. I do not think this was the perfect storm or set of circumstances against the big 12. I think there will be some years when the last candidate has two losses. The Big 12 will lose in this scenario also.

Ok so let me ask you a question had GT beaten FSU in ACC game do you think FSU would have still made playoffs over Baylor or TCU?
Had Wisconsin beaten OSU do you think it would had jumped TCU or Baylor
As you can see if those two things would had happened and GT was close to doing it. We would be here arguing that having a championship game kept FSU or OSU from the playoffs.

I tend to think the Playoff will be expanded sooner then later. People say that the contract is for 12 years but it takes a simple vote by the P5 to change that... and does anybody actually think that ESPN would fight against having more content to sell?

I truly believe within 3 years well be at an 8 team playoff and because of that, I dont see the Big 12 expanding.

now long term... I think the Big 12 gets destroyed at the end of their TV contract or maybe a bit sooner. Texas eventually will make the move and so will Oklahoma... and both of them will take their little brother. Thats when AAC members get the call. Its a good decade away.

Playoffs will expand because there are 5 power leagues and only 4 spots. They all know realize that one year it will be the BigTen,ACC and even the mighty SEC would had been in trouble this year had Mizzou upset Bama.

(12-22-2014 09:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Playoffs will expand because there are 5 power leagues and only 4 spots. They all know realize that one year it will be the BigTen,ACC and even the mighty SEC would had been in trouble this year had Mizzou upset Bama.

The sick part will be that it will probably become a scenario where the champs of the P5 all get a spot and then there is 3 at large who go to the best teams... or essentially, well have the BCS again but they managed to eliminate the Big East which was an annoyance to them.

This will be a whole cycle that did nothing but eliminate a conference that they had deemed unworthy.

(12-22-2014 09:41 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Playoffs will expand because there are 5 power leagues and only 4 spots. They all know realize that one year it will be the BigTen,ACC and even the mighty SEC would had been in trouble this year had Mizzou upset Bama.

The sick part will be that it will probably become a scenario where the champs of the P5 all get a spot and then there is 3 at large who go to the best teams... or essentially, well have the BCS again but they managed to eliminate the Big East which was an annoyance to them.

This will be a whole cycle that did nothing but eliminate a conference that they had deemed unworthy.

Most likely and this is where the commish of the G5 needs to get the media behind them in one of those 8 spots given to the highest ranked G5 champ and I think that can be attained

(12-22-2014 09:29 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:26 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 08:42 AM)rosewater Wrote:  [quote='mtmedlin' pid='11572288' dateline='1419225052']
1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

This all makes logical sense. The Big 12 will not act until future variables (autonomy) are decided. They will need a championship game, because they are at a significant disadvantage without one.

I think your last statement hasn't been proven yet. Yes this year it proved to hurt them but had Mizzou beaten Bama in the SEC game or GT beaten FSU or Wisky beaten OSU would we be having this talk about how much it hurt the Big12 not having a championships? I doubt it.

Imho, almost every year, the p5 conferences will each have a strong candidate for the playoffs. The playoff committee has already stated the exaggerated weight of a conference championship game. Moreover, It is also adds a strong game at the end of the year which ensures the team is playing well at the time. Consequently, in many years, the championship games will be used to distinguish playoff candidates. If the Big 12 does not participate, they will be left out, unless their candidate for the playoffs is beyond reproach. I do not think this was the perfect storm or set of circumstances against the big 12. I think there will be some years when the last candidate has two losses. The Big 12 will lose in this scenario also.

Ok so let me ask you a question had GT beaten FSU in ACC game do you think FSU would have still made playoffs over Baylor or TCU?
Had Wisconsin beaten OSU do you think it would had jumped TCU or Baylor
As you can see if those two things would had happened and GT was close to doing it. We would be here arguing that having a championship game kept FSU or OSU from the playoffs.
[/quote

No they would not have made the playoffs. I am just saying, without a championship game, all ties go against the Big 12 and many years it will be difficult to distinguish 4th from 5th or 8th from 9th. A championship game puts the conference on equal footing.

(12-22-2014 11:08 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:29 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:26 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 08:42 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 12:10 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  1. Why would the other conference expand to 16 in order to do the whole "Power Conference" setup? They can just break away, make more money and invite the AAC as is while paying us less. If they invite us into their conferences, then they have to pay us more. I think its much more likely that they move 4 pieces they like into the AAC and bring us along on the division. That gives the new division around 80 teams and it maximizes the P5s income.

Or they semi destroy the Big 12 by taking the best parts and move some of us into a new Big 16.

2. I dont think Bowlsby is guarding his words at all. They dont want to expand. Until the waiver is denied AND the chance for an expanded playoff are killed, I dont see them making a move.

3. For those that think the Big 12 will expand in order to get a better TV contract or that they are in some way making less... um NO. The Big 12 distributed $22 million last year and that doesnt include third tier rights. WVU makes $9 million a year, Kansas makes $7 million.... Oklahoma and Texas make over $11 million. All of those teams are making more then any other schools in the P5 outside of the Big 10. ISU made the least and they even made close to $4 million off their third tier for a total of $26 million. Thats above the AAC and Pac 12 for a solid 3rd place.

We must realize through all of this that the Big 12 doesnt REALLY need to expand. They have the luxery of taking a couple years and doing it right. The last time they had to make a move since they only had 8 teams.

This all makes logical sense. The Big 12 will not act until future variables (autonomy) are decided. They will need a championship game, because they are at a significant disadvantage without one.

I think your last statement hasn't been proven yet. Yes this year it proved to hurt them but had Mizzou beaten Bama in the SEC game or GT beaten FSU or Wisky beaten OSU would we be having this talk about how much it hurt the Big12 not having a championships? I doubt it.

Imho, almost every year, the p5 conferences will each have a strong candidate for the playoffs. The playoff committee has already stated the exaggerated weight of a conference championship game. Moreover, It is also adds a strong game at the end of the year which ensures the team is playing well at the time. Consequently, in many years, the championship games will be used to distinguish playoff candidates. If the Big 12 does not participate, they will be left out, unless their candidate for the playoffs is beyond reproach. I do not think this was the perfect storm or set of circumstances against the big 12. I think there will be some years when the last candidate has two losses. The Big 12 will lose in this scenario also.

Ok so let me ask you a question had GT beaten FSU in ACC game do you think FSU would have still made playoffs over Baylor or TCU?
Had Wisconsin beaten OSU do you think it would had jumped TCU or Baylor
As you can see if those two things would had happened and GT was close to doing it. We would be here arguing that having a championship game kept FSU or OSU from the playoffs.

No they would not have made the playoffs. I am just saying, without a championship game, all ties go against the Big 12 and many years it will be difficult to distinguish 4th from 5th or 8th from 9th. A championship game puts the conference on equal footing.

my point was that not having a championship hurt them this year when all the teams the Big12 teams where competing with won. Had they lost a championship game would have hurt those conferences.
No one is arguing ghst it puts conferences on even comparison, my point was that it doesn't always benefit to have one

(12-22-2014 11:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:08 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:29 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:26 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think your last statement hasn't been proven yet. Yes this year it proved to hurt them but had Mizzou beaten Bama in the SEC game or GT beaten FSU or Wisky beaten OSU would we be having this talk about how much it hurt the Big12 not having a championships? I doubt it.

Imho, almost every year, the p5 conferences will each have a strong candidate for the playoffs. The playoff committee has already stated the exaggerated weight of a conference championship game. Moreover, It is also adds a strong game at the end of the year which ensures the team is playing well at the time. Consequently, in many years, the championship games will be used to distinguish playoff candidates. If the Big 12 does not participate, they will be left out, unless their candidate for the playoffs is beyond reproach. I do not think this was the perfect storm or set of circumstances against the big 12. I think there will be some years when the last candidate has two losses. The Big 12 will lose in this scenario also.

Ok so let me ask you a question had GT beaten FSU in ACC game do you think FSU would have still made playoffs over Baylor or TCU?
Had Wisconsin beaten OSU do you think it would had jumped TCU or Baylor
As you can see if those two things would had happened and GT was close to doing it. We would be here arguing that having a championship game kept FSU or OSU from the playoffs.

No they would not have made the playoffs. I am just saying, without a championship game, all ties go against the Big 12 and many years it will be difficult to distinguish 4th from 5th or 8th from 9th. A championship game puts the conference on equal footing.

my point was that not having a championship hurt them this year when all the teams the Big12 teams where competing with won. Had they lost a championship game would have hurt those conferences.
No one is arguing ghst it puts conferences on even comparison, my point was that it doesn't always benefit to have one

Also keep in mind the potential playoff teams in the championship games are usually going to be the favorite and will usually win.

(12-22-2014 11:27 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:08 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:29 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:26 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Imho, almost every year, the p5 conferences will each have a strong candidate for the playoffs. The playoff committee has already stated the exaggerated weight of a conference championship game. Moreover, It is also adds a strong game at the end of the year which ensures the team is playing well at the time. Consequently, in many years, the championship games will be used to distinguish playoff candidates. If the Big 12 does not participate, they will be left out, unless their candidate for the playoffs is beyond reproach. I do not think this was the perfect storm or set of circumstances against the big 12. I think there will be some years when the last candidate has two losses. The Big 12 will lose in this scenario also.

Ok so let me ask you a question had GT beaten FSU in ACC game do you think FSU would have still made playoffs over Baylor or TCU?
Had Wisconsin beaten OSU do you think it would had jumped TCU or Baylor
As you can see if those two things would had happened and GT was close to doing it. We would be here arguing that having a championship game kept FSU or OSU from the playoffs.

No they would not have made the playoffs. I am just saying, without a championship game, all ties go against the Big 12 and many years it will be difficult to distinguish 4th from 5th or 8th from 9th. A championship game puts the conference on equal footing.

my point was that not having a championship hurt them this year when all the teams the Big12 teams where competing with won. Had they lost a championship game would have hurt those conferences.
No one is arguing ghst it puts conferences on even comparison, my point was that it doesn't always benefit to have one

Also keep in mind the potential playoff teams in the championship games are usually going to be the favorite and will usually win.

Usually, yes but how many times would it vault you from outside playoffs to in vs bounce you out. I would say it will cost you more losing it than the gain you would get by winning one.
Big12 had 15 championships in FIVE the higher ranked team lost and would had lost the playoff spot.
#1s Mizzou,Oklahoma
#2 Kansas State
#3s Texas and Nebraska
None of those 15 years was the winner ranked 5-7 going in which would had bumped into playoffs

(12-22-2014 11:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:27 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:08 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:29 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Ok so let me ask you a question had GT beaten FSU in ACC game do you think FSU would have still made playoffs over Baylor or TCU?
Had Wisconsin beaten OSU do you think it would had jumped TCU or Baylor
As you can see if those two things would had happened and GT was close to doing it. We would be here arguing that having a championship game kept FSU or OSU from the playoffs.

No they would not have made the playoffs. I am just saying, without a championship game, all ties go against the Big 12 and many years it will be difficult to distinguish 4th from 5th or 8th from 9th. A championship game puts the conference on equal footing.

my point was that not having a championship hurt them this year when all the teams the Big12 teams where competing with won. Had they lost a championship game would have hurt those conferences.
No one is arguing ghst it puts conferences on even comparison, my point was that it doesn't always benefit to have one

Also keep in mind the potential playoff teams in the championship games are usually going to be the favorite and will usually win.

Usually, yes but how many times would it vault you from outside playoffs to in vs bounce you out. I would say it will cost you more losing it than the gain you would get by winning one.
Big12 had 15 championships in FIVE the higher ranked team lost and would had lost the playoff spot.
#1s Mizzou,Oklahoma
#2 Kansas State
#3s Texas and Nebraska

Not having a championship game didnt keep them out.... Like Cuban pointed out elswhere, it was their crap OOC schedule. If they had replaced 2 of the weak teams with P5 or strong G5 teams, I think they make it in.

(12-22-2014 11:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:27 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:08 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 09:29 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Ok so let me ask you a question had GT beaten FSU in ACC game do you think FSU would have still made playoffs over Baylor or TCU?
Had Wisconsin beaten OSU do you think it would had jumped TCU or Baylor
As you can see if those two things would had happened and GT was close to doing it. We would be here arguing that having a championship game kept FSU or OSU from the playoffs.

No they would not have made the playoffs. I am just saying, without a championship game, all ties go against the Big 12 and many years it will be difficult to distinguish 4th from 5th or 8th from 9th. A championship game puts the conference on equal footing.

my point was that not having a championship hurt them this year when all the teams the Big12 teams where competing with won. Had they lost a championship game would have hurt those conferences.
No one is arguing ghst it puts conferences on even comparison, my point was that it doesn't always benefit to have one

Also keep in mind the potential playoff teams in the championship games are usually going to be the favorite and will usually win.

Usually, yes but how many times would it vault you from outside playoffs to in vs bounce you out. I would say it will cost you more losing it than the gain you would get by winning one.
Big12 had 15 championships in FIVE the higher ranked team lost and would had lost the playoff spot.
#1s Mizzou,Oklahoma
#2 Kansas State
#3s Texas and Nebraska
None of those 15 years was the winner ranked 5-7 going in which would had bumped into playoffs

Certainly gives me room to think, but I suspect the playoff rankings work a bit differently. There was never a premium placed on the championship game for the purpose of rankings as there is now. What I suspect will happen is the Big 12 must have one less loss than the Big 10//Sec/Pac 10 to be ahead in the polls. This is without the championship game. In a typical year, they will need the same number of losses by the ACC champion to earn the spot. This is hard to quantify, but I still suspect they would be better off with the game.

(12-22-2014 11:49 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:35 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:27 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2014 11:08 AM)rosewater Wrote:  No they would not have made the playoffs. I am just saying, without a championship game, all ties go against the Big 12 and many years it will be difficult to distinguish 4th from 5th or 8th from 9th. A championship game puts the conference on equal footing.

my point was that not having a championship hurt them this year when all the teams the Big12 teams where competing with won. Had they lost a championship game would have hurt those conferences.
No one is arguing ghst it puts conferences on even comparison, my point was that it doesn't always benefit to have one

Also keep in mind the potential playoff teams in the championship games are usually going to be the favorite and will usually win.

Usually, yes but how many times would it vault you from outside playoffs to in vs bounce you out. I would say it will cost you more losing it than the gain you would get by winning one.
Big12 had 15 championships in FIVE the higher ranked team lost and would had lost the playoff spot.
#1s Mizzou,Oklahoma
#2 Kansas State
#3s Texas and Nebraska
None of those 15 years was the winner ranked 5-7 going in which would had bumped into playoffs

Certainly gives me room to think, but I suspect the playoff rankings work a bit differently. There was never a premium placed on the championship game for the purpose of rankings as there is now. What I suspect will happen is the Big 12 must have one less loss than the Big 10//Sec/Pac 10 to be ahead in the polls. This is without the championship game. In a typical year, they will need the same number of losses by the ACC champion to earn the spot. This is hard to quantify, but I still suspect they would be better off with the game.

I think the championship excuse was an easy out for the committee this year to bump an Ohio State that has a bigger draw TV wise and attendance wise than a Baylor or TCU.
I mean think about it, all the angles TV will now spin in that Ohio State vs Bama match up.
Had that been Texas or Oklahoma I doubt OSU jumps them

What is SAID in public probably has zero relationship to what is actually HAPPENING behind closed doors. It's a show. They may be fat and happy... for now, but they got shafted this year due to their own greed and everyone knows it. They are looking at multiple options, one of which is expansion. When all the other attempts fail, then they will expand.