(12-15-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I forgot to mention last night that following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding," he told reporters at a campaign event.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...rboarding/

nice job in this thread guys....yall look REALLY good in your arguments that this was justifiable.

There are a lot of things being left out in that blurb. Primarily the methods of water boarding by the Japanese were much different than what US interrogators used.

(12-15-2014 12:01 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I forgot to mention last night that following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding," he told reporters at a campaign event.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...rboarding/

nice job in this thread guys....yall look REALLY good in your arguments that this was justifiable.

There are a lot of things being left out in that blurb. Primarily the methods of water boarding by the Japanese were much different than what US interrogators used.

such as....

70% of Americans believe waterboarding = torture

you guys are nuts

(12-15-2014 03:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  70% of Americans believe waterboarding = torture

you guys are nuts

And the polls also say Obama sucks. But anyway, link us, it's not that I don't believe you....it's that I don't believe you.

(12-15-2014 03:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  70% of Americans believe waterboarding = torture

you guys are nuts

And the polls also say Obama sucks. But anyway, link us, it's not that I don't believe you....it's that I don't believe you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/torture-and-...ce-report/

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/15/politi...g-torture/

(12-15-2014 04:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  70% of Americans believe waterboarding = torture

you guys are nuts

And the polls also say Obama sucks. But anyway, link us, it's not that I don't believe you....it's that I don't believe you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/torture-and-...ce-report/

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/15/politi...g-torture/

Good for you, you get a gold star. Now 58% of Americans approve of waterboarding. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...nformation

Poll: 57 percent believe tactics like waterboarding provide reliable info http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/12/1...z3M0JObHRk


HoPo poll says most Americans think torture is siometimes justified. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10...01036.html

And of course, Nancy Pelosi knew all about the waterboarding and other stuff and still gave her approval to continue doing it. If she didnt' approve, then why didn't she scream out at the top of her lungs at the time she was told about it? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01664.html

(12-15-2014 03:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 12:01 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I forgot to mention last night that following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding," he told reporters at a campaign event.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...rboarding/

nice job in this thread guys....yall look REALLY good in your arguments that this was justifiable.

There are a lot of things being left out in that blurb. Primarily the methods of water boarding by the Japanese were much different than what US interrogators used.

such as....

Page 8 first paragraph

http://6thinfantry.com/wp/wp-content/upl...niques.pdf

(12-15-2014 04:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 04:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  70% of Americans believe waterboarding = torture

you guys are nuts

And the polls also say Obama sucks. But anyway, link us, it's not that I don't believe you....it's that I don't believe you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/torture-and-...ce-report/

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/15/politi...g-torture/

Good for you, you get a gold star. Now 58% of Americans approve of waterboarding. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...nformation

Poll: 57 percent believe tactics like waterboarding provide reliable info http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/12/1...z3M0JObHRk


HoPo poll says most Americans think torture is siometimes justified. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10...01036.html

And of course, Nancy Pelosi knew all about the waterboarding and other stuff and still gave her approval to continue doing it. If she didnt' approve, then why didn't she scream out at the top of her lungs at the time she was told about it? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01664.html

is the thread titled "what percentage of americans believe torture is justified?" Nope it's a thread claiming what the CIA did =/= torture. lame attempt to change the subject after getting a little bit of egg on your face.

(12-16-2014 11:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 04:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 04:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  70% of Americans believe waterboarding = torture

you guys are nuts

And the polls also say Obama sucks. But anyway, link us, it's not that I don't believe you....it's that I don't believe you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/torture-and-...ce-report/

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/15/politi...g-torture/

Good for you, you get a gold star. Now 58% of Americans approve of waterboarding. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...nformation

Poll: 57 percent believe tactics like waterboarding provide reliable info http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/12/1...z3M0JObHRk


HoPo poll says most Americans think torture is siometimes justified. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10...01036.html

And of course, Nancy Pelosi knew all about the waterboarding and other stuff and still gave her approval to continue doing it. If she didnt' approve, then why didn't she scream out at the top of her lungs at the time she was told about it? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01664.html

is the thread titled "what percentage of americans believe torture is justified?" Nope it's a thread claiming what the CIA did =/= torture. lame attempt to change the subject after getting a little bit of egg on your face.

john01992 Wrote:
70% of Americans believe waterboarding = torture

you guys are nuts

Yo, did you write that? Yes, you certainly did. You're just like Obama, do you know that?

(12-16-2014 12:34 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 11:13 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 04:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 04:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 03:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  And the polls also say Obama sucks. But anyway, link us, it's not that I don't believe you....it's that I don't believe you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/torture-and-...ce-report/

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/15/politi...g-torture/

Good for you, you get a gold star. Now 58% of Americans approve of waterboarding. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...nformation

Poll: 57 percent believe tactics like waterboarding provide reliable info http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/12/1...z3M0JObHRk


HoPo poll says most Americans think torture is siometimes justified. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10...01036.html

And of course, Nancy Pelosi knew all about the waterboarding and other stuff and still gave her approval to continue doing it. If she didnt' approve, then why didn't she scream out at the top of her lungs at the time she was told about it? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01664.html

is the thread titled "what percentage of americans believe torture is justified?" Nope it's a thread claiming what the CIA did =/= torture. lame attempt to change the subject after getting a little bit of egg on your face.

john01992 Wrote:
70% of Americans believe waterboarding = torture

you guys are nuts

Yo, did you write that? Yes, you certainly did. You're just like Obama, do you know that?

seriously, WTF is wrong with you today?

You must have a serious literacy problem because one is a poll saying "is waterboarding a form of torture" the other is "is waterboarding/torture justified" two COMPLETELY different questions dude.

(12-16-2014 12:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  You must have a serious literacy problem because one is a poll saying "is waterboarding a form of torture" the other is "is waterboarding/torture justified" two COMPLETELY different questions dude.

If topics weren't allowed to drift you would never post anything.

Waterboarding as practiced by the US is not torture by the classic international "common law" based on custom and tradition, and probably not under the terms of the UN Convention Against Torture. Nor, for the record, were the people we captured in Iraq and Afghanistan entitled to Geneva Conventions protections.

The Bush administration unilaterally and stupidly extended Geneva Conventions protections to them. The problem is that once they did that, it created a legal never-never land where nobody could be certain exactly what was the legal status of those people. Had we not extended those protections, we would have been well within our rights to kill them all in place. And that is probably exactly what we should have done.

(12-17-2014 11:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Waterboarding as practiced by the US is not torture by the classic international "common law" based on custom and tradition, and probably not under the terms of the UN Convention Against Torture. Nor, for the record, were the people we captured in Iraq and Afghanistan entitled to Geneva Conventions protections.

The Bush administration unilaterally and stupidly extended Geneva Conventions protections to them. The problem is that once they did that, it created a legal never-never land where nobody could be certain exactly what was the legal status of those people. Had we not extended those protections, we would have been well within our rights to kill them all in place. And that is probably exactly what we should have done.

Careful now. Facts, and logic, are StalkerJohn's kryptonite.

Can it really be torture if reporters are lining up to try it? Several were willing to be water boarded but very few volunteered to be poked with hot irons, have their feet caned, crucified or even have teeth and fingernails extracted.

(12-13-2014 02:37 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:35 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  One man's junk is another man's treasure. The same can be said of torture. Making me look at this picture for a few hours and I'd plead for waterboarding.

That witch knew about the so called "torture."

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/pelosis...d-denials/

It's funny how many politicians look like witches and or gremlins...haha