(12-10-2014 06:07 PM)bronconick Wrote:  People must hate working under Alvarez or something

Was thinking either that or the coaches suspect past success can't be maintained and that's a recipe for failure (or both).

I think it is pretty obvious that there is a strong recipe for success at Wisconsin. I would place my bet on having to work under Alvarez. The guy is revered at that school and he is overlooking everything that the head coach does there.

I could only guess at how many times Gary Anderson had to hear the words "Well, if I was the Coach still then I would do this....".

I wouldn't be able to stand it either.

Bielema leaving for Arkansas wasn't as glaringly obvious. Anderson leaving for Oregon State? That is a slap in the face for sure.

(12-10-2014 08:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think it is pretty obvious that there is a strong recipe for success at Wisconsin. I would place my bet on having to work under Alvarez. The guy is revered at that school and he is overlooking everything that the head coach does there.

I could only guess at how many times Gary Anderson had to hear the words "Well, if I was the Coach still then I would do this....".

I wouldn't be able to stand it either.

Bielema leaving for Arkansas wasn't as glaringly obvious. Anderson leaving for Oregon State? That is a slap in the face for sure.

On the surface it appears like: Hogs and Beavers>Badgers.

In reality, I reckon it is all about escaping the living (active) legend shadow.

(12-10-2014 09:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think it is pretty obvious that there is a strong recipe for success at Wisconsin. I would place my bet on having to work under Alvarez. The guy is revered at that school and he is overlooking everything that the head coach does there.

I could only guess at how many times Gary Anderson had to hear the words "Well, if I was the Coach still then I would do this....".

I wouldn't be able to stand it either.

Bielema leaving for Arkansas wasn't as glaringly obvious. Anderson leaving for Oregon State? That is a slap in the face for sure.

On the surface it appears like: Hogs and Beavers>Badgers.

In reality, I reckon it is all about escaping the living (active) legend shadow.

Actually Brett's complaints were over the ability to keep good assistants because of the pay ceilings for such and Anderson cited the University's inability to workout acceptable ways to keep players eligible or to permit them probationary entrance. Either way both cut at the heart of remaining competitive. Then there is the Alvarez shadow of past successes when local talent was more available to make such humble requests seem like one is begging for favors that the old ball coach claims not to have needed.

Needless to say, I didn't see this coming. Maybe him and Alvarez had words after CCG and it was the last straw. Just seems too sudden and unplanned.

This needs a hat-trick so maybe Brian Kelly to Wisconsin now.

(12-10-2014 09:57 PM)bluesox Wrote:  This needs a hat-trick so maybe Brian Kelly to Wisconsin now.

That one, probably not. Unlikely that a head coach would leave Notre Dame for a place where the new boss is such a dark shadow that you're scared to remove a statue of the boss from your own office.

But how about Bob Stoops to Michigan?

(12-10-2014 09:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 09:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think it is pretty obvious that there is a strong recipe for success at Wisconsin. I would place my bet on having to work under Alvarez. The guy is revered at that school and he is overlooking everything that the head coach does there.

I could only guess at how many times Gary Anderson had to hear the words "Well, if I was the Coach still then I would do this....".

I wouldn't be able to stand it either.

Bielema leaving for Arkansas wasn't as glaringly obvious. Anderson leaving for Oregon State? That is a slap in the face for sure.

On the surface it appears like: Hogs and Beavers>Badgers.

In reality, I reckon it is all about escaping the living (active) legend shadow.

Actually Brett's complaints were over the ability to keep good assistants because of the pay ceilings for such and Anderson cited the University's inability to workout acceptable ways to keep players eligible or to permit them probationary entrance. Either way both cut at the heart of remaining competitive. Then there is the Alvarez shadow of past successes when local talent was more available to make such humble requests seem like one is begging for favors that the old ball coach claims not to have needed.

That is a valid reason, but I cannot help but think that Alvarez still plays a role in the defections to less than top notch posts. Arkansas is certainly higher than Oregon State though.

I think the statue houses a spy cam.

Word is that had Utah finished with two more losses, Anderson would have replaced Whittingham. GA was dropping hints of his availability this summer at the All Poly camp in Utah. There are a lot of reasons, but they all come down to Alvarez. He's going to have to go if Wisconsin wants to keep a HC.

(12-10-2014 09:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 09:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think it is pretty obvious that there is a strong recipe for success at Wisconsin. I would place my bet on having to work under Alvarez. The guy is revered at that school and he is overlooking everything that the head coach does there.

I could only guess at how many times Gary Anderson had to hear the words "Well, if I was the Coach still then I would do this....".

I wouldn't be able to stand it either.

Bielema leaving for Arkansas wasn't as glaringly obvious. Anderson leaving for Oregon State? That is a slap in the face for sure.

On the surface it appears like: Hogs and Beavers>Badgers.

In reality, I reckon it is all about escaping the living (active) legend shadow.

Actually Brett's complaints were over the ability to keep good assistants because of the pay ceilings for such and Anderson cited the University's inability to workout acceptable ways to keep players eligible or to permit them probationary entrance. Either way both cut at the heart of remaining competitive. Then there is the Alvarez shadow of past successes when local talent was more available to make such humble requests seem like one is begging for favors that the old ball coach claims not to have needed.

You know, if Madison is holding to some sort of standard that won't just let anyone who's got game to come on in, then kudos to them and boo Anderson. USU and OSU can't touch Wisconsin academically, so if Anderson expects liberties like he had out in Logan, he was in for a shock.

But, I think it's Barry. He probably gives off the vibe that Wisky football and he are up there among the other top programs and coaches.

I am reminded of a surprising announcement right at 25 years ago.

Ken Hatfield announced he was leaving Arkansas for Clemson. Hatfield had played for the Razorbacks and had just won consecutive SWC titles.

He made it clear as time wore on that he left because he could no longer stand working for his old coach Frank Broyles who supposedly was interfering with his staffing and recruiting decisions and according to published accounts berated him at the end of a loss to Texas over what Broyles thought was a bad defensive play call that resulted in Texas winning.

The apparent eagerness of Alvarez to jump in as interim the last time suggests he hasn't fully given up on being a coach.

(12-11-2014 11:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I am reminded of a surprising announcement right at 25 years ago.

Ken Hatfield announced he was leaving Arkansas for Clemson. Hatfield had played for the Razorbacks and had just won consecutive SWC titles.

He made it clear as time wore on that he left because he could no longer stand working for his old coach Frank Broyles who supposedly was interfering with his staffing and recruiting decisions and according to published accounts berated him at the end of a loss to Texas over what Broyles thought was a bad defensive play call that resulted in Texas winning.

The apparent eagerness of Alvarez to jump in as interim the last time suggests he hasn't fully given up on being a coach.

If that's what it was like for Hatfield after losing a close game, imagine what Andersen had to deal with from Alvarez after losing 59-0.

(Unless, of course, you buy into the conspiracy theory about Wisconsin taking the biggest dive of all time to help the Buckeyes get into the playoff.)

@KirkHerbstreit: Barry Alvarez will coach the Badgers in their upcoming Outback Bowl vs Auburn.

Barry, if you want to coach, go ahead and be the coach. It really is OK, Bill Snyder did it as Kansas State.

If you don't want to be the coach, let someone else do it.

(12-11-2014 12:27 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  @KirkHerbstreit: Barry Alvarez will coach the Badgers in their upcoming Outback Bowl vs Auburn.

Barry, if you want to coach, go ahead and be the coach. It really is OK, Bill Snyder did it as Kansas State.

If you don't want to be the coach, let someone else do it.

He just wants the reward (bowl game) without having to do any work.

(12-11-2014 11:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I am reminded of a surprising announcement right at 25 years ago.

Ken Hatfield announced he was leaving Arkansas for Clemson. Hatfield had played for the Razorbacks and had just won consecutive SWC titles.

He made it clear as time wore on that he left because he could no longer stand working for his old coach Frank Broyles who supposedly was interfering with his staffing and recruiting decisions and according to published accounts berated him at the end of a loss to Texas over what Broyles thought was a bad defensive play call that resulted in Texas winning.

The apparent eagerness of Alvarez to jump in as interim the last time suggests he hasn't fully given up on being a coach.

I remember watching a game with K Jackson and Broyles doing the announcing. Broyles was dam near jumping out of seat "he got 4.3 speed Keith"

(12-11-2014 11:58 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I am reminded of a surprising announcement right at 25 years ago.

Ken Hatfield announced he was leaving Arkansas for Clemson. Hatfield had played for the Razorbacks and had just won consecutive SWC titles.

He made it clear as time wore on that he left because he could no longer stand working for his old coach Frank Broyles who supposedly was interfering with his staffing and recruiting decisions and according to published accounts berated him at the end of a loss to Texas over what Broyles thought was a bad defensive play call that resulted in Texas winning.

The apparent eagerness of Alvarez to jump in as interim the last time suggests he hasn't fully given up on being a coach.

If that's what it was like for Hatfield after losing a close game, imagine what Andersen had to deal with from Alvarez after losing 59-0.

(Unless, of course, you buy into the conspiracy theory about Wisconsin taking the biggest dive of all time to help the Buckeyes get into the playoff.)

I don't buy into it. How many players would you have to get in on it? How do you keep them all from saying anything? We live in the age of twitter. You could pull that off a decade ago. Now? No way.

Honestly, I think we saw Ohio State's absolute best game. They all gathered around and finally took umbrage to all the **** that had been said about them during the year and their worthiness.

You look at the way their defensive line absolutely dominated Wisconsin and that defines what happened. Without that strong running game, Wisconsin is lost. Ohio State got their Achilles Heel.

(12-11-2014 07:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:58 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I am reminded of a surprising announcement right at 25 years ago.

Ken Hatfield announced he was leaving Arkansas for Clemson. Hatfield had played for the Razorbacks and had just won consecutive SWC titles.

He made it clear as time wore on that he left because he could no longer stand working for his old coach Frank Broyles who supposedly was interfering with his staffing and recruiting decisions and according to published accounts berated him at the end of a loss to Texas over what Broyles thought was a bad defensive play call that resulted in Texas winning.

The apparent eagerness of Alvarez to jump in as interim the last time suggests he hasn't fully given up on being a coach.

If that's what it was like for Hatfield after losing a close game, imagine what Andersen had to deal with from Alvarez after losing 59-0.

(Unless, of course, you buy into the conspiracy theory about Wisconsin taking the biggest dive of all time to help the Buckeyes get into the playoff.)

I don't buy into it. How many players would you have to get in on it? How do you keep them all from saying anything? We live in the age of twitter. You could pull that off a decade ago. Now? No way.

Honestly, I think we saw Ohio State's absolute best game. They all gathered around and finally took umbrage to all the **** that had been said about them during the year and their worthiness.

You look at the way their defensive line absolutely dominated Wisconsin and that defines what happened. Without that strong running game, Wisconsin is lost. Ohio State got their Achilles Heel.

I don't believe they threw the game, because anyone who would throw a game like that would be smart enough to make it look better and not lose that badly. Even a boxer who gets paid to throw a fight knows enough to not stumble around like a three-year-old and then fall down for the count the first time the other guy throws a punch.

At this point it won't surprise me if Chryst is named the HC at Wisky.

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That is so messed up.