(12-12-2014 10:44 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:35 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 07:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The cops are the good guys remember? Lol

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And what better way to keep them good than to demand transparency and accountability?

I agree. All cops should wear them.

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These cameras don't run the entire 8-12 hour shift. This mean the LEO has to turn them on.

How likely is a LEO going to remember to turn the camera on on every altercation with public?

It's like the dsh board camera. They only begin video taping once the overheads are turned on.

Some police departments will fire the officer if they do not turn their camera on each and every time they have an encounter with a civilian.

If they can't remember to do such a simple thing, they don't deserve to carry a gun.

(12-12-2014 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 10:44 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:35 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 07:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The cops are the good guys remember? Lol

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And what better way to keep them good than to demand transparency and accountability?

I agree. All cops should wear them.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

These cameras don't run the entire 8-12 hour shift. This mean the LEO has to turn them on.

How likely is a LEO going to remember to turn the camera on on every altercation with public?

It's like the dsh board camera. They only begin video taping once the overheads are turned on.

Some police departments will fire the officer if they do not turn their camera on each and every time they have an encounter with a civilian.

If they can't remember to do such a simple thing, they don't deserve to carry a gun.

Link? I can't see the unions allowing that to happen.

(12-13-2014 01:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 10:44 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:35 PM)Smaug Wrote:  And what better way to keep them good than to demand transparency and accountability?

I agree. All cops should wear them.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

These cameras don't run the entire 8-12 hour shift. This mean the LEO has to turn them on.

How likely is a LEO going to remember to turn the camera on on every altercation with public?

It's like the dsh board camera. They only begin video taping once the overheads are turned on.

Some police departments will fire the officer if they do not turn their camera on each and every time they have an encounter with a civilian.

If they can't remember to do such a simple thing, they don't deserve to carry a gun.

Link? I can't see the unions allowing that to happen.

No link but I know for a fact that Albuquerque PD has that policy.

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(12-13-2014 01:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 10:44 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I agree. All cops should wear them.

These cameras don't run the entire 8-12 hour shift. This mean the LEO has to turn them on.
How likely is a LEO going to remember to turn the camera on on every altercation with public?
It's like the dsh board camera. They only begin video taping once the overheads are turned on.

Some police departments will fire the officer if they do not turn their camera on each and every time they have an encounter with a civilian.
If they can't remember to do such a simple thing, they don't deserve to carry a gun.

Link? I can't see the unions allowing that to happen.

No link but I know for a fact that Albuquerque PD has that policy.

What do the unions do when they try to fire an officer for violating it?

(12-13-2014 01:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 10:44 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:24 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I agree. All cops should wear them.

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These cameras don't run the entire 8-12 hour shift. This mean the LEO has to turn them on.

How likely is a LEO going to remember to turn the camera on on every altercation with public?

It's like the dsh board camera. They only begin video taping once the overheads are turned on.

Some police departments will fire the officer if they do not turn their camera on each and every time they have an encounter with a civilian.

If they can't remember to do such a simple thing, they don't deserve to carry a gun.

Link? I can't see the unions allowing that to happen.

No link but I know for a fact that Albuquerque PD has that policy.

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Here is the Albuquerque body camera policy. Show me where they get fired for not using it. http://apdsop.tripod.com/general-orders/...orders.doc

(12-10-2014 06:57 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The all-powerful government gets more powerful.

We're not citizens anymore. We're subjects.

Speak for yourself.

(12-13-2014 02:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 10:44 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  These cameras don't run the entire 8-12 hour shift. This mean the LEO has to turn them on.

How likely is a LEO going to remember to turn the camera on on every altercation with public?

It's like the dsh board camera. They only begin video taping once the overheads are turned on.

Some police departments will fire the officer if they do not turn their camera on each and every time they have an encounter with a civilian.

If they can't remember to do such a simple thing, they don't deserve to carry a gun.

Link? I can't see the unions allowing that to happen.

No link but I know for a fact that Albuquerque PD has that policy.

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Here is the Albuquerque body camera policy. Show me where they get fired for not using it. http://apdsop.tripod.com/general-orders/...orders.doc

An investigation that began back in April determined that Officer Jeremy Dear’s camera was intentionally disabled right before he shot and killed Mary Hawkes, 19. Now, Albuquerque Police Chief Eden has fired Officer Dear, as part of what is being called a “zero tolerance” policy on police camera use during citizen interactions.


http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/12/co...ot-woman/#

I think it would be a fundamental right to record anything one can legally see. It would NOT be a fundamental right to share the recording.

I've got really mixed feelings about this.

I think we should be able to protect ourselves from bad cops. And there obviously are a few out there.

But my concern is all the good cops fearful of being sued because they've NOT perfect people.

Face it-- we ALL suck at what we do once in a while. We're all off our game at times. There are times that I show my anger/frustration, then regret it later.

What I DO want it some way that people can PROVE when cops have mistreated them. What I do NOT want is to have good cops involved in frivolous complaints because they weren't nice enough to people who violate the law and are abusive themselves in their own attitudes/actions toward cops.

I guess I come down on the side of body cams for cops, versus people recording cops and getting in the way of crimes, or adding to a stressful situation by doing something that feels personally violating to a good cop, who might be having a stressful problem to deal with.

So... I (guess--may change my mind, but for now, say) Let's have body cams for cops. Protects them. Protects citizens.

What happened to the addage, " if you aren't breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about " that was the reasoning behind passage of the Patriot Act.

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(12-14-2014 02:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some police departments will fire the officer if they do not turn their camera on each and every time they have an encounter with a civilian.

If they can't remember to do such a simple thing, they don't deserve to carry a gun.

Link? I can't see the unions allowing that to happen.

No link but I know for a fact that Albuquerque PD has that policy.

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Here is the Albuquerque body camera policy. Show me where they get fired for not using it. http://apdsop.tripod.com/general-orders/...orders.doc

An investigation that began back in April determined that Officer Jeremy Dear’s camera was intentionally disabled right before he shot and killed Mary Hawkes, 19. Now, Albuquerque Police Chief Eden has fired Officer Dear, as part of what is being called a “zero tolerance” policy on police camera use during citizen interactions.


http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/12/co...ot-woman/#

It's not this one instance - the guy has a history.

Officer Dear says that he is being treated unfairly, but in three separate incidences, Dear has claimed that his body camera has malfunctioned. In each of these incidences the Albuquerque cop has used force against a suspect. This latest case involves the shooting of a 19-year-old teenage girl.

(12-14-2014 12:45 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think it would be a fundamental right to record anything one can legally see. It would NOT be a fundamental right to share the recording.

Your ship has been beached on the First Amendment.

(12-14-2014 01:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 02:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:35 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Link? I can't see the unions allowing that to happen.

No link but I know for a fact that Albuquerque PD has that policy.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Here is the Albuquerque body camera policy. Show me where they get fired for not using it. http://apdsop.tripod.com/general-orders/...orders.doc

An investigation that began back in April determined that Officer Jeremy Dear’s camera was intentionally disabled right before he shot and killed Mary Hawkes, 19. Now, Albuquerque Police Chief Eden has fired Officer Dear, as part of what is being called a “zero tolerance” policy on police camera use during citizen interactions.


http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/12/co...ot-woman/#

It's not this one instance - the guy has a history.

Officer Dear says that he is being treated unfairly, but in three separate incidences, Dear has claimed that his body camera has malfunctioned. In each of these incidences the Albuquerque cop has used force against a suspect. This latest case involves the shooting of a 19-year-old teenage girl.

and that forwards your point how???

(12-14-2014 02:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 02:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 01:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No link but I know for a fact that Albuquerque PD has that policy.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Here is the Albuquerque body camera policy. Show me where they get fired for not using it. http://apdsop.tripod.com/general-orders/...orders.doc

An investigation that began back in April determined that Officer Jeremy Dear’s camera was intentionally disabled right before he shot and killed Mary Hawkes, 19. Now, Albuquerque Police Chief Eden has fired Officer Dear, as part of what is being called a “zero tolerance” policy on police camera use during citizen interactions.


http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/12/co...ot-woman/#

It's not this one instance - the guy has a history.

Officer Dear says that he is being treated unfairly, but in three separate incidences, Dear has claimed that his body camera has malfunctioned. In each of these incidences the Albuquerque cop has used force against a suspect. This latest case involves the shooting of a 19-year-old teenage girl.

and that forwards your point how???

Why wasn't the cop fired the first two times?

(12-14-2014 03:44 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 02:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 02:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 02:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Here is the Albuquerque body camera policy. Show me where they get fired for not using it. http://apdsop.tripod.com/general-orders/...orders.doc

An investigation that began back in April determined that Officer Jeremy Dear’s camera was intentionally disabled right before he shot and killed Mary Hawkes, 19. Now, Albuquerque Police Chief Eden has fired Officer Dear, as part of what is being called a “zero tolerance” policy on police camera use during citizen interactions.


http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/12/co...ot-woman/#

It's not this one instance - the guy has a history.

Officer Dear says that he is being treated unfairly, but in three separate incidences, Dear has claimed that his body camera has malfunctioned. In each of these incidences the Albuquerque cop has used force against a suspect. This latest case involves the shooting of a 19-year-old teenage girl.

and that forwards your point how???

Why wasn't the cop fired the first two times?

because his defense was he didn't turn it off, it "malfunctioned"

(12-14-2014 04:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 03:44 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 02:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 02:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  An investigation that began back in April determined that Officer Jeremy Dear’s camera was intentionally disabled right before he shot and killed Mary Hawkes, 19. Now, Albuquerque Police Chief Eden has fired Officer Dear, as part of what is being called a “zero tolerance” policy on police camera use during citizen interactions.


http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/12/co...ot-woman/#

It's not this one instance - the guy has a history.

Officer Dear says that he is being treated unfairly, but in three separate incidences, Dear has claimed that his body camera has malfunctioned. In each of these incidences the Albuquerque cop has used force against a suspect. This latest case involves the shooting of a 19-year-old teenage girl.

and that forwards your point how???

Why wasn't the cop fired the first two times?

because his defense was he didn't turn it off, it "malfunctioned"

Ok, let's start over. I posted the actual police policy. You posted a newspaper article. I'd say the actual policy trumps the article.

(12-14-2014 04:08 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 04:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 03:44 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 02:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  It's not this one instance - the guy has a history.

Officer Dear says that he is being treated unfairly, but in three separate incidences, Dear has claimed that his body camera has malfunctioned. In each of these incidences the Albuquerque cop has used force against a suspect. This latest case involves the shooting of a 19-year-old teenage girl.

and that forwards your point how???

Why wasn't the cop fired the first two times?

because his defense was he didn't turn it off, it "malfunctioned"

Ok, let's start over. I posted the actual police policy. You posted a newspaper article. I'd say the actual policy trumps the article.

i'd say someone getting fired over it trumps both.

#sillySMN things